TAS-The Grand Arena V.1.1 beta

[Moderator]

12:06, 21st Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Rejected

 

[Adiktuz]

Please comment, post bugs and suggestions.
Thanks!

 

[x3GlikE]

Hmm testing it now...

Edit:

-Bad Things
[x] Needs an better Loading Screen.
[x] Improve of text in Mini Map display. (When choosing map)
[x] Improve Quest Menu [ Main Quests | Optional Quests ]
[x] Improve Terrain
[x] More Items
-Good Things
[x] Good Amount of hero (More = Better)
[x] Good Custom Models and Icons

Score :
2.8/5

 

[Darkzealot_128]

Use more BB codes for description, checking now. Also terrain looks bad, fix it up.

Edit: Ok, it was protected but overall judging it from the outside it has bad terrain, is oversized, and could have a more eye-catching description.
The map is probably good but I was only pointing out the bad points.

Terrain tips: You probably have enough trees and plants, but maybe insert some critters and also blend some more terrain into it.

 

[Adiktuz]

Use more BB codes for description, checking now. Also terrain looks bad, fix it up.

Edit: Ok, it was protected but overall judging it from the outside it has bad terrain, is oversized, and could have a more eye-catching description.

thanks for the comment... the terrain is really supposed to be pretty large... can you give me some points on how to improve the terrain? I'm still learning to terrain... ^^

 

[x3GlikE]

Reviv

Hmm testing it now...
-Bad Things
[x] Needs an better Loading Screen.
[x] Improve of text in Mini Map display. (When choosing map)
[x] Improve Quest Menu [ Main Quests | Optional Quests ]
[x] Improve Terrain
[x] More Items
-Good Things
[x] Good Amount of hero (More = Better)
[x] Good Custom Models and Icons

Score :
2.8/5

Good luck and Hope you improve from this

 

[Adiktuz]

Good luck and Hope you improve from this

thanks for the review!

 

[light bolt30]

Add more variation to the terrain, doodad, trees, etc. Also these BB Codes will help you improve the description.

 

[watermelon_1234]

Note: I tested this map only in single-player.

Description

• The map description (in the lobby) lacks any real information about the map. All you needed to say about the AI was this: AI included.
• The information in there and in the loading screen could have been much more useful if it explained the game modes or something relevant to the map.
• You should also point out anything that makes this arena map special.
• Improve hero descriptions. Reading a huge block of text is discouraging. It would be useful if you listed things like ability information and main attribute.

Gameplay Thoughts

• I feel that heroes are imbalanced as well, though I didn't play long enough to note any drastic imbalance.
• I played the Gaiamancer whose spells were pretty boring and didn't have any synergy. He also didn't really do well against another hero either.
• The UI just felt really random and didn't seem to fit well.
• Why is the last player called Masters?
• Why is the damage display text pink/magenta?

Suggestions

• Have more interesting creeps.
• It would be better if you came up with a more creative idea for the story.
• Give starting gold so a player could actually buy items from the start.
• Have more creative items.
• Get rid of those random events like orbital ray and lightning storm. It's unfair and annoying. I guess I just don't see what's so fun about getting randomly killed.
• Get rid of traps; the only players who would actually fall for those are the AI. Or make it deal less damage.
  • I just don't like how many random things can kill your hero at low levels.
• More heroes is not necessarily better. Well-thought, creative, and balanced heroes are better than heroes made quickly or just for the heck of it.
• Encourage cooperation by having a teamplay mode.
• Allow tournament mode to be disabled. Or allow heroes to have complete health and mana restored. Or give a warning to heroes one minute before the tournament actually starts.

Bugs

• The kill number selection is bugged; you cannot get more than 99.
• My hero could attack a spike destructable.
• All the quest icons are Ambush.

Overall
I think this map needs to be polished more in order to be approved.
I hope that you can improve from this.

 

[Adiktuz]

why masters and why pink color for text? -> i just like it...

the hazards are part of the game so I wont remove them...

for the kill number selection, maybe you placed a space after -u, the max should be 999...

For the descriptions, I'll try to do it...

palyer 1 can disable tourney mode by pausing the timer, there is a command for that...

for the spikes, well they are the default spikes in WE so you can really attack them...

I'll think about how much gold to give players at the start...

hero balance is really not that good yet, thats why I need feedbacks like yours so I can work on making the heroes balanced coz its hard to balance them without anyone giving feedbacks...

Thanks for the review. ^^

 

[x3GlikE]

Hey Adiktuz for your Descriptions use this:
TTCreator
it helps you make descriptions with just a simple click.

Info:
W3 Tooltip Creator is a program that will help mapmakers creating tooltips.
The program features Rich Text Editor, Tabbed Interface, Own file format ( .TCF for normal files and .TPR for project files ), Creation of Warcraft 3 codes from rich text and vice versa , Ability to rapidly create hero level descriptions, Tooltip Previewer, Create tooltips in warcraft-like interface, Gradient text support, Tray Icon, Color Picker, Ability to edit and save Warcraft III map custom strings.

 

[Adiktuz]

Hey Adiktuz for your Descriptions use this:
TTCreator
it helps you make descriptions with just a simple click.

Info:
W3 Tooltip Creator is a program that will help mapmakers creating tooltips.
The program features Rich Text Editor, Tabbed Interface, Own file format ( .TCF for normal files and .TPR for project files ), Creation of Warcraft 3 codes from rich text and vice versa , Ability to rapidly create hero level descriptions, Tooltip Previewer, Create tooltips in warcraft-like interface, Gradient text support, Tray Icon, Color Picker, Ability to edit and save Warcraft III map custom strings.

okay, I'll try it. thanks!

EDIT: IDK when I'll be able to update this map since I'm working on an RPG and I'm also taking a short break from working on my comp for about a week... and also take note that this is still on beta stage so I need your feedbacks greatly. Thanks to all those who commented and gave feedbacks/reviews, +rep ofc.

 

[ap0calypse]

I strongly disagree with x3GlikE: you should concentrate on having good, well-playable, balanced heroes instead of 'more' heroes.
More heroes = usually worse.
Also, custom imports are bad if they don't fit the map: you don't need some of the custom models you used, so that's a negative point as well.

In fact: I disliked all spells, the terrain is very bad/empty, the gameplay is about the only thing in the map I remotely liked.
Heroes such as Ichigo have no place in this map, they're just material for the mainstream anime-newbs.
There are only a few items, of which none are special.

All quests had the same icon, the multiboard was very generic, my name was "|cfff" (wtf?).

• This is a multi-upload (broken rule).
• Learn how to properly choose your custom imports.
• Only add things that actually fit the map.
• Improve the terrain.
• Improve the details (quest icons, multiboard, name, ...).
• Improve the tooltips.
• Improve the spells.
• Improve the heroes.

I expected a lot more.
Rejected.

 

[Adiktuz]

my other map was deleted and I cannot access the page anymore so why is it a multi-upload?

anyway, I also agree on the things you said... I started while I was still new to JASS that's why the spells are pretty much simple and bad and I honestly dont have the motivation to redo them...

the only thing I dont agree with is with the fitting of the anime models, this was supposed to be an arena for heroes from different worlds that why there are anime chars here.

 

[ap0calypse]

Deleted? Can't access it? http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/tas-grand-arena-v-1-0-beta-152996/.
It's set to needs fix.
And even if you deleted it in the past (which isn't the case), it wouldn't be a valid reason to multi-upload.

The anime chars you used are overused, they're so mainstream that every ichico hero is boring, not original, bad.
Maybe it is because I hate those mainstream anime's (don't get me wrong: I'm a huge anime fan, but Bleach/Naruto/One piece are amongst the worst anime's I've seen, and I have seen a lot of them).

You should probably give up on this project, as there is so much you need to redo that it is simply too painstaking to continue.
Unless you want to of course, but you just said you didn't.

 

[Adiktuz]

Deleted? Can't access it? http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/tas-grand-arena-v-1-0-beta-152996/.
It's set to needs fix.
And even if you deleted it in the past (which isn't the case), it wouldn't be a valid reason to multi-upload.

The anime chars you used are overused, they're so mainstream that every ichico hero is boring, not original, bad.
Maybe it is because I hate those mainstream anime's (don't get me wrong: I'm a huge anime fan, but Bleach/Naruto/One piece are amongst the worst anime's I've seen, and I have seen a lot of them).

You should probably give up on this project, as there is so much you need to redo that it is simply too painstaking to continue.
Unless you want to of course, but you just said you didn't.

oh, last time I tried I cannot access it... yeah, I dont have the motivation to work on this since I'm working on an rpg and like you said there are lots of things that needs to be redone here...