StarCraft 2 in WarCraft 3 mod

[Deolrin]

Because the armory is a standalone tech-building required for the construction of Thors.
Find a way to have two build menus. :/

 

[kris4o]

Well i don't wotk only on terraining but unit sistem and building sistem.And another things.

 

[PurplePoot]

Because the armory is a standalone tech-building required for the construction of Thors.
Find a way to have two build menus. :/

And because it requires a factory and is required for T2+ infantry upgrades.

 

[Nightblade]

The first post says he is the skinner and the terrainer.Thats a lot of work if you ask me,the guys who are saying that he is lazy.

 

[Fingolfin]

As for the two building menus, you can make a dummy unit for each player that is selected when you press the "build alternate" button and then using "force UI key" to make it open up a build menu of it's own.

Or, you could turn the "build alternate" ability into a "bear form" with 0 second morph time and then force UI key to open up a build menu for the alternate unit.
Optionally, you could make a spellbook that contains some kind of dummy abilities for the buildings inside it.
I know that the "reveal" ability is the only one that supports resource cost for casting, but i think vuorma and i discovered that it did not store a "point of ability being cast" variable, so it was practically useless for this purpose.
Anyways, i think scewing up the terran techtree is a bad way to go just because of this minor limitation.

 

[greasontim]

I'll go with a Morph skill that gives the other build option

 

[Nightblade]

Use a spellbook with build abilities?Like tiny castle or something.Ill Check if that is possible.

EDIT:Major bug,all buildings turn into barracks.

 

[greasontim]

I'll just being using a Morph skills Build Abilities take mana so It'll be easier this way
For Terran units I have the buildings what upgrades effect each unit and the damage of every unit

Use a spellbook with build abilities?Like tiny castle or something.Ill Check if that is possible.

EDIT:Major bug,all buildings turn into barracks.

Thats because all the skills have the same skill ID cause them to turn all to be the same building and the mana cost changes to be whatever the highest mana costing building you have in there.

Types:
Armored - Walkable
Biological - Ward
Light - Worker
Massive - Giant
Mechanical - Mechanical
Psionic - Undead
Structure - Ancient

Telling you so you can setup if a unit attacks a unit with attack1 or 2 to check what types to see if that unit should be takes +X damage

 

[kris4o]

Fingolfin i heard that you working on sc2 like battlecruiser.

 

[greasontim]

Just need to edit the buildings now and make the upgrades

 

[Fingolfin]

Kris4o i stopped working on it. You can have the mesh if you like, it has no texture unwrap though.

 

[greasontim]

the units are almost done
Just have descriptions when building and what upgrades they all use (I'll do it later)

A copy of the incomplete map would be handy and help out

May change the range of attacks to the SC2 range x 75

 

[Marc Mamales]

Lol, the ideas are pretty interesting. hope this will be finished soon..

 

[greasontim]

Once I know how the whole Mineral, Gas thing is being done I'll be able to setup the costs better
I got the upgrades, buildings than I'll start on the Zerg (OWNAGE!)

You may want to find someone else to do the AIs

 

[kris4o]

Well good greasontim.I will try to finish the map soon as
possible and send it to you.
Fingolfin i will try to found another sc2 like models.
I need a battlecruiser but i am not a modeler.
I see that you have a immortal and pylon.
Wow i need them so much.

 

[Fingolfin]

Well, the thing is, they are for my own SC2 conversion, so it would feel silly giving them to someone else doing the exact same thing.

 

[greasontim]

The bear form ability to get access to the ADV build option doesn't want to work. you can click to build the stuff but they wont start

 

[kris4o]

No problem fingolfin.
They are your models not mine.
I think that wee will need a skiner becouse i will make a models.

 

[greasontim]

the minerals and gas done yet?
cause really those are all I need to do proper testing and get the units going

SCV change to SCV (Adv) works but its a trigger skill due to the fact it doesn't want to work as a morph skill (IDK WHY but I'll keep trying)


Current Work: Repair costs and times.
I'm setting repair costs to 25% of the build costs but the repair time is +50% of the build time

 

[Illidan_Hunter]

The building menu is pretty easy. Just create two identical SCVs and use an ability like 'Bear Form'. While the first SCV has the standard buildings the other one has the advanced ones. Use 'V' as morphing hotkey so people access it easier.

 

[greasontim]

Look at the World Editor section its setup but the SCV wont build while in ADV mode

 

[Illidan_Hunter]

Then use a trigger. The SCV begins casting an ability, replace triggering unit with SCV 2.

 

[greasontim]

than you have to re-select the unit but it'll have to do

 

[Illidan_Hunter]

Not really. I believe that there's a trigger which forces the player to select an unit or structure.
I've played a map named 'Fortress Survival' which had this kind of builder-swap system and it was working perfectly.

 

[kris4o]

How tho make a selection like in starcraft 2.wee know that in sc2 player can select a big amount of units.What we can use for this option.
Any suggestions how to make it.

 

[greasontim]

Well the auto-select when changing now works
so you can change between normal and ADV SCV at any time
(BONUS! even if you change over 10 at once all 10 stay selected!)

How tho make a selection like in starcraft 2.wee know that in sc2 player can select a big amount of units.What we can use for this option.
Any suggestions how to make it.

People will just have to use Ctrl + #
like in normal WC3 maps and that not to mention its basicly the same
Best you could do is make a multi board for each player showing how much is in their and only their groups (Caps out at like 12 units or so in WC3)


BTW FOCUS on the terran stuff till they are finished than we'll get the other 2 races done
Don't worry if they are SC2 looking models or not even SC1 models will work so a beta can be released to prove that this is turning out well so far.

 

[chris21]

What about the unit cap

 

[greasontim]

Max amount of units you can select at a time in WC3 is like 12-14 I believe
Unlike in SC2 where the cap is higher

 

[chris21]

Max amount of units you can select at a time in WC3 is like 12-14 I believe
Unlike in SC2 where the cap is higher

Not that cap i mean the unit production cap....

 

[greasontim]

what around it?
If your talking about the building 2 units at once its easy

Trigger in when a unit is created from a Building with the Reactor create +1 unit of the same type

Food limit can be changed to (IDK what the SC2 food limit is)
And for the Tax it can be removed.

 

[Deolrin]

The food limit in SC2 is 200. I think that's his point.

 

[greasontim]

yea its food cap his talking about
hopefuly kris doesn't grab all high-res models and that or else this map wont run that well
He should just grab the SC1 models so we can release terran as a playable race within a week or so.

How his going to pull off the bunker thing IDK and it should be interesting seeing how there isn't anything to check the amount of cargo in a unit

Bored so I started work on the Zerg
Terran buildings no longer can be built on Blight(Creep)

Gonna need a trigger to make sure there are 3 larva out at all times with a 4 second build time
Larva are based on a building to it can be upgraded into the other units.

 

[Fingolfin]

Uhm.. why don't you just use the burrow mechanic for bunkers?
Only problem is that it can't detect what kind of unit is being loaded.
Alternately, you should try to find some way to register units entering cargo, since you could store the units in a hashtabel linked to the bunker and spawn dummy units with attacks on top of it.

 

[greasontim]

kris can do that crap I hate triggering

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Maybe the Bear Form or Call To Arms could be used for the spell.

 

[kris4o]

Well ok but not now.
I have another problems with the map.

 

[greasontim]

is the mineral and gas parts of the map done?

 

[kris4o]

Well of courese.
Its was easy to make.
The anoyher parts units and buildings terrain or abilities
are maked to 65%

 

[greasontim]

well can I have what you currently have for the map?
Dont have much for the terran left to do and it'll be easier with the minerals and gas in the map now

 

[kris4o]

Well i need to start this thing whith the vaspine gas and minerals again.
And this time wee will use only gold.

 

[greasontim]

We could just set it up that if a player has a refinery they get +4 gas every 5 seconds or so

 

[Deolrin]

No, no, FACEPALM. :|
Stop changing game mechanics for the sake of saving you work. If this is supposed to be a Warcraft to Starcraft conversion, everything has to be EXACTLY the same. No missile turret --> sensor tower upgrades(what the fuck? they serve completely different purposes.). No engineering bay --> armory. No automated refineries. Seriously. :|

 

[greasontim]

Armory, Engineering Bay, Missile Turrets and Sensor towers are staying the Starcraft way the second build option is in the game
How the Gas is gathered is up kris

 

[Fingolfin]

I already told you, just make gold represent gas and wood represent minerals. Units "enter" gold mines just like starcraft units to in refineries, and they "chop" wood just like they do with minerals. This is the way every wc3/starcraft conversion has done it since the birth of mankind!

 

[greasontim]

ok but how do you stop people from harvesting all the trees which are there as terran and not minerals?

 

[Fingolfin]

Just place the trees as doodads instead, DUH!!!!!!

EDIT: I hope for the love of god that you will not be using blizzard trees in this mod.

 

[greasontim]

PS I'm the units guy not the map guy talk to kris about the trees

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Will there be neutral creeps?

 

[kris4o]

well yes there will be creeps but like the sc2 creeps.

Well hu uses the Blizzard trees.
And if you know missle turrets Are in Sc2.

 

[Deolrin]

...Starcraft 2 has no creeps, what the hell are you talking about?
You probably mean Creep. Which is... A totally different subject.