Space Orc Tribe Wars v(8)

Moderator · Sep 18, 2010

14:56, 18th Sep 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

Enjoyable CTF.

supertoinkz · Sep 18, 2010

Released it too fast eh? Got my download :>

light bolt30 · Sep 18, 2010

This is pretty interesting!! :O

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 18, 2010

Looks nice. I'll try it and I'll post a review later.

br0xxigar · Sep 18, 2010

got my download too, nice work ^^

JokeMaster · Sep 18, 2010

I must say this is a preety well made map!

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 18, 2010

The map was very nice... until the fatal error from warcraft.
Otherwise the map was ownage. Everything was well made.
Here is my review:

Review By vAnKaTa_G.G.

Pros:

[+] Many classes
[+] Very fun gameplay
[+] Well made physics
[+] Well made projectile system
[+] Working abilities
[+] Balanced (enough if not 100%)

Neutral:

NONE

Cons:

[-] The game crashed 2 games in a row. Not sure what the reason is.
[-] Sometimes when I was choosing a team I had to choose 10 times till I got to select my hero. And it always asked me do I want to change my team. :ogre_rage:

Well made map but I think it has some triggering issues.

Rating 4/5

I WILL CHANGE MY RATING IF THE MAP IS FIXED

Regards vAnKaTa_G.G

elfian · Sep 18, 2010

vAnKaTa_G.G. said:
The map was very nice... until the fatal error from warcraft.
Otherwise the map was ownage. Everything was well made. 5/5

When did it occur :O

EDIT: When you switch team, you have to wait a 10 second timer in order to spawn again

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 18, 2010

I did but it just asked me do I want to change team again

By the way you can edit the quote. I didn't have time for a full review. ( and didn't experience the game crash )

elfian · Sep 18, 2010

OK, I think I know why there is a crash, I'm gonna fix this asap

Also I haven't had problems with team changing yet, I'm gonna see into that, thanks for the feedback.

Vuormalainen · Sep 18, 2010

I would recommend you to change the name of the map as before I decided to click it I thought it would be some sort of Melee map but with Space Orcs.

I think a lot people would also think that and just let it pass their server browser on battlenet

elfian · Sep 18, 2010

Vuormalainen said:
I would recommend you to change the name of the map as before I decided to click it I thought it would be some sort of Melee map but with Space Orcs.

I think a lot people would also think that and just let it pass their server browser on battlenet

So, what do you suggest :|

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 18, 2010

Vuormalainen said:
I would recommend you to change the name of the map as before I decided to click it I thought it would be some sort of Melee map but with Space Orcs.

I think a lot people would also think that and just let it pass their server browser on battlenet

Well you could have read:
Type: Arena, Capture the Flag / CTF, Mini-Game, Offense, Shooting / FPS
Nothing in common with a typical Melee :grin:

Plus the map is only 3 MB my maps take 3-6 seconds to load xD

Soul Theft · Sep 18, 2010

it says AI how to make em play,i set me as warboss and 6 more players and i am only one in game

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 18, 2010

Try -help I couldn't get AI to play either so I guess it might be activated by command

elfian · Sep 18, 2010

Soul Theft said:
it says AI how to make em play,i set me as warboss and 6 more players and i am only one in game

The AI is activated by commands ingame, type -help in the chat. You don't have to add any computer players before the map begins. Anything can be manipulated during playing (adding, removing bots, switching teams, kicking players...)

EDIT: I think I fixed the map fatal error crash, atleast I played for 30 minutes and casted Poison Gasses nonstop on 6 bots around me and I didn't get a crash so... I guess maybe I fixed it. But I can never be 100% sure. Tell me if you find anymore crashes or bugs. Considering the second bug you mentioned, about team changing, I made about 50 tests to switch my team and nothing like the problem you explained occured :S Everything went perfect. Please, give me some more information, were you the host? How many players were there? Did you activate any bots? Was anybody AFK without chosing a team while you wanted to switch yours? Did anybody switch his team while you did? Anything you can think of.

br0xxigar · Sep 18, 2010

after ~10min is a bit laggy cuz lot of objects/units, and sometimes i get full black screen..

Cthulus · Sep 19, 2010

I have to say, this is one of the few Space Orc maps that I really enjoyed. It puts the General's excellent models to great use, and the physics systems are just superb from what I've seen.

The only problems are that on occasion, (very uncommon for me) the AI wouldn't function too well, and it has crashed probably... once. Out of the 4 or so sessions I've played. Anywho, those are my only problems, and they're not big enough for me to demand any fixes or w/e.

Great map. 5/5 Highly Recommended

Naman · Sep 19, 2010

great map! my suggestions are to add some host commands, make someone able to select a unit if they have deselected the picker (unless i didnt see how... please tell me !), and add lots more classes, and i was wondering do the tanks or destructibles respawn? (make that a command maybe

)
5/5 but 6/5 if u change all that!

supertoinkz · Sep 19, 2010

Okay....

WARNING: BIG PICTURES
~Didn't bother to resize them, for you to see the details.

BUGS

When I use the 2nd ability of the Machinegunna (the blade spin one), and it hits a destructible, Corspe Explosion SFXs are shown (at the destructibles).
Stucked SFX (Picture)
Blue tinted units lol (Picture)
The AI (blue team) players stopped spawning. (Picture)

SUGGESTIONS

Why are you using units as destructibles?
You could add a zoom command and also put some information in the Quest Tab.
Change the Dokta's missile to red, because when she shoots, red particle emitters/glow appear on her hand.
No Shotguns? :C
Hide the units in the minimap. (To make the Sniper's scope ability a little useful, it is my favorite class).
FIX THOSE GODDAMN CRASHES!

MortAr · Sep 19, 2010

* CoP's should have locust, otherwise its really annoying when you click it instead of the flag itself
* Why do you die when the tank dies?
* The terrain is awful.. I mean, seriously, you need to use cliffs.
* Bridges? For what?
* Adding AI in-game is bad, better release one version w/ AI and one w/o (it will also reduce map size)
* Why all of the destructables selectable? Can't you enumerate them when they are not selectable?
* Make a command for tribal change/swap.. Its really annoying when you press F1 before your character is spawned
* Camera lock should be selectable, add a command again for it.. some people (like me) don't like camera locks
* Add runes or pick-ups as they call it in most games (ex: Quake 3)
* You can always use Mana as Armor which protects from set amount of damage
* Need to work more onto the terrain

All in all, a good and entertaining CTF battle, but it misses a lot.

supertoinkz · Sep 19, 2010

Updated my last post.

oldmilk · Sep 19, 2010

There are some bad tooltips in the hero selection. Rockit nob has the same tooltip description as the spez git. Change Rockit nob's tooltip, as the tooltip describes the spez git.

AndreiMolnar · Sep 19, 2010

Lol this map is awesome, tested it, 9/10, cuz no more modes aviable...

elfian · Sep 19, 2010

Why are you using units as destructibles?

The physics engine uses units, all those destructables are part of the physics engine. If I use destructables, that will make me complicate the physics engine and will probably increase lag. But I might try using destructables, dunno.

You could add a zoom command and also put some information in the Quest Tab.

Oh, ok, I will enable the player to use the mouse scroll or something

Change the Dokta's missile to red, because when she shoots, red particle emitters/glow appear on her hand.

Hmmm, maybe I should switch Dokta's missile with the Warboss' missile

Then both will match the colors of their muzzle flashes

No Shotguns? :C

I will add a few more classes later (there are some non-ork space warrior models in Hive, like Gnolls, Undead, Trolls, I'm gonna look into that)

Hide the units in the minimap. (To make the Sniper's scope ability a little useful, it is my favorite class).

Hmmm... ok. :]

There are some bad tooltips in the hero selection. Rockit nob has the same tooltip description as the spez git. Change Rockit nob's tooltip, as the tooltip describes the spez git.

Oh, thank you for pointing that one out, didn't notice

I'm gonna fix it right away.

CoP's should have locust, otherwise its really annoying when you click it instead of the flag itself

Adding locust... good suggestion.

Why do you die when the tank dies?

Well I think that when you are inside a tank, and the tank gets shot and explodes, you die? :|

The terrain is awful.. I mean, seriously, you need to use cliffs.

Can you be a bit more precise?

Bridges? For what?

Huh?

Adding AI in-game is bad, better release one version w/ AI and one w/o (it will also reduce map size)

Um, what if a player leaves the game and you want to activate AI for him to keep the balance a little? Or what if you are 3 players VS 5 AIs and suddenly one of your teammates leaves the game? Wouldn't you want to kick that AI? I will instead allow the game to check which players were set to computers and enable AI at startup for them.

Why all of the destructables selectable? Can't you enumerate them when they are not selectable?

Adding locust to them will make them work only with EnumUnitsOfPlayer, which has to enum through 500 units every 0.03 for every darn projectile and hero on the map, which will cause major uber huge lag. I'm thinking to remove their collision shapes or something, or maybe just improve the trigger that keeps your hero selected.

Camera lock should be selectable, add a command again for it.. some people (like me) don't like camera locks

I don't want you to be able to look freely and shoot from afar. Only the sniper can do that.

Add runes or pick-ups as they call it in most games (ex: Quake 3)

I was thinking having them randomly drop from the sky in boxes

But yeah, that's gonna happen.

You can always use Mana as Armor which protects from set amount of damage

Hmmm... good suggestion.

Need to work more onto the terrain

Or find a good terrainer xD Cause I suck at terraining

cuz no more modes aviable...

I'm thinking to add Zombie Mod, FFA DM Mod and Team DM, any other suggestions?

and add lots more classes, and i was wondering do the tanks or destructibles respawn?

I am gonna add more classes

But 'lots' isn't the right word, since I'm gonna be running low on models. Anyways the tanks DO NOT respawn ON PURPOSE. I don't want in a game of 4 players to be using only tanks all of the time. That wold ruin the game.

ake a command for tribal change/swap.. Its really annoying when you press F1 before your character is spawned

Why would you want to press F1 anyways??

Your character doesn't get deselected...

supertoinkz · Sep 19, 2010

Well, I could create an space orc with a shotgun if you wish

MortAr · Sep 19, 2010

Aboud the AI, never though of that, excuse myself.

More specific to terrain.. hmm, for example, missle pass thru unpathable terrain without problems, which completly confuses me when I try to aim, because I always know they don't do that.

The overall terrain is bad, it has alot of things which can be changed, along with that, adding cliffs and making projectiles being block by them will definitely make the game a bit more interesting, instead of just rush the middle part, fire off 20+ missle and just watch the blood SFX everywhere.

Destructables - I've never said you have to use units as destructables, you can enumerate destructables even if they are not selectable into the game, which again brings to the selection of everything around. A simple change of this "physics" system of yours can cost you a lot of trouble, since present units are not good for loading time and map size.

Bridges - remove them, as I said above, use cliffs ... they are better, they are more reliable and won't cause units and missles to get stuck or travel on unpathable terrain.

BlackKnightTGS · Sep 19, 2010

Epic map!

5/5 Though, there is one thing that bothers me...all AIs spawn as Nobs :l It'd be more challenging to have them spawning as more. Or do they? When I tried it they were only spawning as Nobs. ._. Oh, and a suggestion for a mode, how about King of the Hill too? Like, the middle part being the 'hill'. (and Team King of the Hill maybe?)

Anyways, you did a great job with the map XP Looking forward if it's gonna be updated.

Cthulus · Sep 19, 2010

BlackKnightTGS said:
Epic map! 5/5 Though, there is one thing that bothers me...all AIs spawn as Nobs :l It'd be more challenging to have them spawning as more. Or do they? When I tried it they were only spawning as Nobs. ._. Oh, and a suggestion for a mode, how about King of the Hill too? Like, the middle part being the 'hill'. (and Team King of the Hill maybe?) Anyways, you did a great job with the map XP Looking forward if it's gonna be updated.

Or how about some team slayer? Or FFA, and maybe even Juggernaut? :ogre_rage:

Halo can be an endless source of gametypes for any game!

supertoinkz · Sep 19, 2010

MOAR SUGGESTIONS:

Exploding Destructibles (when dies)?
Telescope Tower/Zone (for the other classes without the scope ability of the Snaypa)?
Shotgun class D)?

I'm expecting a new version soon (^_^)

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 19, 2010

Crash Bug fixed. My rating is changed to 4.5/5.

elfian · Sep 19, 2010

vAnKaTa_G.G. said:
Crash Bug fixed. My rating is changed to 4.5/5.

Oh ehm gee, do you really think I did fix it O_O Cause that was the hardest part of the whoe map I'm serious :X How was I supposed to know why an immolation with "friendly" target type in it makes the game randomly crash =_= Anyways, I'm working on fixing most of the things you guys stated. I'm going to remove the bridges, cause for some reason their height is screwed and the projectiles screw up when they fly over them =_= I'm also gonna improve the AI.

Sheephunter · Sep 19, 2010

this is some funny shit right here. 5/5 for the awesomeness.

vAnKaTa_G.G. · Sep 19, 2010

elfian said:
Oh ehm gee, do you really think I did fix it O_O Cause that was the hardest part of the whoe map I'm serious :X How was I supposed to know why an immolation with "friendly" target type in it makes the game randomly crash =_= Anyways, I'm working on fixing most of the things you guys stated. I'm going to remove the bridges, cause for some reason their height is screwed and the projectiles screw up when they fly over them =_= I'm also gonna improve the AI.

Well game didn't crash with 5 bots and I tried every class so I guess it works.

But I think you should make harder AI. 2v5 and my friend and I could actually own them with a Sniper and a Plazma nob :ogre_haosis:

elfian · Sep 19, 2010

vAnKaTa_G.G. said:
Well game didn't crash with 5 bots and I tried every class so I guess it works. But I think you should make harder AI. 2v5 and my friend and I could actually own them with a Sniper and a Plazma nob

The Poison Gasses Immolation was the cause of the crash. Anyways, I just made a breakthrough about why the !@#$% do the bullets trajectory look like crap and why do the bridges screw up. It wasn't the bridges. It was the waters fault. Or to be more precise I had to make every object "Amphibious". Now the projectiles fly fine and I'm gonna make an update soon... !@#$%ing blizzard...

BlackKnightTGS · Sep 19, 2010

Umm...I found a bug giving Snaypaboys a big advantage. If you have the Scope on, and right click on a tank or ally, you can "Patrol" and the camera will still be free, making them able to move around the battlefield and still just snipe from wherever they want o_o And sometimes they have troubles pathfinding...they get stuck between destructibles, happened once when an AI got knockbacked by a grenade, it was stuck there.

EDIT: Or you can click a destructible too.

elfian · Sep 19, 2010

BlackKnightTGS said:
Umm...I found a bug giving Snaypaboys a big advantage. If you have the Scope on, and right click on a tank or ally, you can "Patrol" and the camera will still be free, making them able to move around the battlefield and still just snipe from wherever they want o_o And sometimes they have troubles pathfinding...they get stuck between destructibles, happened once when an AI got knockbacked by a grenade, it was stuck there.

EDIT: Or you can click a destructible too.

Thank you for spotting that one.

Anyways, I'm gonna improve the AI with the next update.

elfian · Sep 19, 2010

Updated. Sorry for double post.

Anyways, I made the timer '0.02' instead of '0.03' of the physics engine, so I'm expecting you guys to get some lag (well I didn't but who knows). Tell me if lag increases and if I should return it back to '0.03'. I haven't added/fixed some of the things you stated yet, but I got super tired today, I will look into doing another update tommorow. Too sleepy now :yawn: It's 24:00 here. Ok, byez, good night

EDIT: The AI is still a dumbass, but yeah, it's a little better than last time...

Naman · Sep 19, 2010

if you add a shotgun class can you also make an engineer class to repair/build?

oldmilk · Sep 20, 2010

I don't know what it's supposed to describe, but machine gunner's tooltip doesn't describe him.

Zealon · Sep 20, 2010

awesome game

ronix101 · Sep 20, 2010

DUde How can i put AI ????? but dude seriously nice work!

supertoinkz · Sep 20, 2010

It's just me or my wc3 starts to lag when I played the new version ( I never got any log on the 2nd/1st version).

Also, the stuck sfx is still there ( now, I saw stucked Burna Boy missile, and a Krava missile).

elfian · Sep 20, 2010

ronix101 said:
DUde How can i put AI ????? but dude seriously nice work!

-bluebot ID
-redbot ID

It's written in the description.

It's just me or my wc3 starts to lag when I played the new version ( I never got any log on the 2nd/1st version).

Also, the stuck sfx is still there ( now, I saw stucked Burna Boy missile, and a Krava missile).

Lol, ok I'm returning the timer to 0.03 then xD Guess it wasn't such a good idea. Anyways, the stucking SFX, never happened to me, I still don't have any idea why it's happening either. I'll try fixing it today :S

supertoinkz · Sep 20, 2010

OOOOH, another update coming <3

elfian · Sep 20, 2010

supertoinkz said:
OOOOH, another update coming <3

Man, I might need your help.

If you are willing to help me, can you please run this test: play a game with bots/friends with gore system turned OFF (type -gore in the chat) and tell me if those two bugs (remaining objects, that should have disappeared and bots stopping to spawn) still persist. I will also run such a test, but just to be sure, I'll be happy if you do so too

supertoinkz · Sep 20, 2010

Yes, I'm testing it now without the -gore (I'm using an edited of the current version, so lag-free

).

elfian · Sep 20, 2010

Well I left 6 bots 3vs3 fight for 30 minutes and all of them were there and there were no stuck SFX, whilst with the gore system in 15 minutes there were about 8 stuck SFX, so I guess, maybe, liek, ttly, the gore system was the problem? What about your testing?

supertoinkz · Sep 20, 2010

Sorry for the late reply, got a problem with the internet.

5 bots, 3 vs 3.

Was playing around 30-40 minutes when I started camping in the opponent's (blue) base. Then I saw that I'm killing only one player, Player 4. So obviously, the other computer of the blue are stucked again lol. (My AI teammates always spawn, I never saw them stucked).

Also, I didn't see any stucked SFX <3

(I can give you a replay, but it's long D

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