Solar Conquest v0.97e

[Carter_117]

yea i found a major glitch...

if reds defeated it goes to end game i.e. credits roll everything is inactive and then you either get victory or defeat. this is VERY annoying... cause me and my friends just wasted round 20 mins doing nothing

 

[TKF]

yea i found a major glitch...

if reds defeated it goes to end game i.e. credits roll everything is inactive and then you either get victory or defeat. this is VERY annoying... cause me and my friends just wasted round 20 mins doing nothing

Could you be more spesific. Did the game ends only when only 1 player was defeated? I do not understand what you are trying to tell me.

 

[Arcmage]

Glitches
Occasionally when a player is defeated or leaves the wrong player is turned gray on the leaderbord.
Portal seems to quite frequently ping the wrong location.

Recommended Balances
The Hyperion I think need a buff, its role seems anti fighter however the phoenix is much better at this for its price (high damage AOE ability), It cannot hold its own against other large ships.

I have always thought ion storms needed a nerfI had about 8 fully upgraded and equipped Hyperion's and they were all blown up by 3 oblivions (only 1 actually managed to use its ion storm and they aproched in normal space uncloaked). They can basically destroy almost anything.

The firefly seems next to useless to me compared to the huge damage nice support and lower price of the saber.

Which brings me to the saber which holds its own very well vs fighters due to its ability to eat them up fast and provided very good support vs capital ships due to its ability to eat armor. I think the armor eating should be removed or damage should be lowered.

The galactic cannon seems utterly useless the fleet you could buy with the same price (About 12 Phoenix ) would easily destroy a galactic cannon (split it into two groups so you cant just shoot it with thecannon) or a planet, and its shell can be intercepted by a fleet of price less than itself.

 

[SasuhKun]

I have a kind of interesting and ironic question. Will 1.00 be the final version?

 

[Lungdrache]

When is the next update?

 

[TKF]

Thanks arcmage for some input and for everyone else reporting. The firefly is only a long range support and its weak in close combat. I decided to nerf the space nuke since it was overly powerful as a ultimate defense. Also did some bugfixes and rebalanced the defense structures on the space and ground to be more balanced. The Heavy Laser was in particular very OP and the orbital laser turrets was as well to powerful compared to it's cost. The artillery does now cost less and so does the command center modules now.

Also I reworked the bounties to give about 10-15% of units value on units and about 20% on structures. So a strong player shouldn't be rewarded excessively anylonger.

I also made a new discovery in the editor. DAMAGETIP_NORMAL is actually descriping spell type attacks and DAMAGETIP_MELEE is descriping normal type attacks.

When is the next update?

Well, Callex hasn't logged in for 2 weeks and he is the only one can upload the map since I must send it to him. Anyways I upload it on epicwar meanwhile and wait for callex to logon so he can update it.


Here is the changelog of upcoming version:

Added a new ground unit: Laser Tank
Rebalanced all defense structures on planets and space
Rebalanced all unit bounties (Mostly nerf)
Reduced the Firefly damage and costs by about 25%
Reduced the Sabre damage output by about 1/3 due to armor reduction
Nerfed the Ion Storm damage by 30%
Lost and Left tags should now appear properly on the multiboard
Radar does now tell you if the entering forces is hostile or unknown
Asteroid field will now only grant 4 food instead of 6 food
You must now have interplanetary commerce tech in order to form trade alliances
Readjusted the War Conscription bonus adjustments
Heavy Laser Turret has the current attack type info
Increased the costs of a few ground production structures
Reduced the range and damage of the Ground to Space nuke missile
Made a small fix with the F1 feature during the beginning of the game
Fixed a bug concerning the Armageddon Flagship nuke bug
Fixed a bug that made the cloaked ships unable to leave a planet

No promises when next new version after 0.95d will arrive....

 

[Arcmage]

Those changes look good although I have always thought laser tech meant space dominance but weak land forces so a laser tank seems counter intuitive. I have however noticed a few glitches since.

The income limit on credit saving econs does not seem to work.

I am pretty sure that Phoenix bombardment creates memory leaks. Every time I use it the games RAM usage goes up and it does not go up when the ability has ended.

Not really a glitch but could you find a less laggy way to mine minerals in space than the current asteroid miner system? People usually spam them so that there crystal econ is as strong as there credit econ and it causes allot of lag.

 

[TKF]

The income limit on credit saving econs does not seem to work.

I am pretty sure that Phoenix bombardment creates memory leaks. Every time I use it the games RAM usage goes up and it does not go up when the ability has ended.

Not really a glitch but could you find a less laggy way to mine minerals in space than the current asteroid miner system? People usually spam them so that there crystal econ is as strong as there credit econ and it causes allot of lag.

The income limit works. It stops growing when you have over 100000 credits and doesn't add more than 1000+ economy bonus on your multiboard, which is indeed a lot. I might consider decreasing the cap since it benefit those players who save a lot. But you can see their economy grow if they are saving a lot and notice when they spend a lot by a noticeable drop in their economy on the multiboard.

As for the phoenix drones, its unit based and not trigger based, thus this is using the game engine but I can check if there is any leaks as for special effects. As for mineral miner drones it causes stress to the wc3 engine as it isn't designed to handle to many units in the game, also being trigger runned.

But I have a relative strong computer so I don't notice much. Only when there are about 10 players it might be too much units in the game and laggy performance is unavoidable unfortunately.

Thanks for feedbacks.

I have a kind of interesting and ironic question. Will 1.00 be the final version?

No promises. The current permormance state of the map is quite bad and it's a difficult task.

 

[SasuhKun]

I see. Well, keep up the good work! I'll try to provide feedback whenever I can. (I'm not very good at doing that at your map though, go figure it. But I'll try :B)

 

[Arcmage]

I did not confirm the credit saving econs glitch myself someone else told me about it so it might not be true.

What I meant about miners is it might be nice if you changed the system a bit so you did not need quite as many of them. Eg you could make them twice as efficient and twice as expensive like you did with civilian buildings.

 

[Lungdrache]

Updates forever?
Please say yes.

 

[thorlar]

from the top 10 maps for me but if u could make it better(the map)it could be great map

 

[TKF]

What I meant about miners is it might be nice if you changed the system a bit so you did not need quite as many of them. Eg you could make them twice as efficient and twice as expensive like you did with civilian buildings.

Well, it's a good idea. It will stress the system less, but I cannot promise when I get the times for a 0.96 version. Meanwhile callex hasn't yet logged on yet and I will soon send him a notification mail. He is also in university extreme study period where he must focus 100% on his studies; so it fits very bad I guess.

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

This Looks Highly Awesome.
Gona test it and make a review

First of all, the map is pretty awesome.

The Good Stuff:
-Variety of Models/Skins (+0,50)
-Gameplay is very good (+0,50)
-Playability is common of melee (+0,15)

The Bad Stuff:
-Needing of Heroes (-0,25)
-Units Attack Is far too high for buildings health (-0,50)
-Map Size: Very Small for a game of the type (-0,25)
-Terrain: Very Poor Work, you should work much more on that stuff (-1,00)


The "OK" Stuff:
Units & Gamemode.

The Bônus Stuff:
Good Using of Mountains along the map (+0,30)
Intresting Game, try to play online (+0,35)
What i Thinked: When i downloaded it, i was thinking in something like risk, just like the starwars risk, that u can enter and exit from planets, but was everything on same ground, with molten lava everywhere and bad use of doodads (Doodads, Destructibles, etc...) (-4,00)
Good Researching complex (+2,00)
Name Changing System: Very Nice (+1,50)
Bugs: None (+1,25)

Total
4,25 (Awesome)
Reached Awesome Level, so i grant +rep

I Loved the map anyway, but please, work on terrain, is very poor

 

[Arcmage]

I feel obliged to defend the map, hope you don't mind TKF.

-Needing of Heroes (-0,25)

The map already has hero's. What else would you call flagships?

-Map Size: Very Small for a game of the type (-0,25)

The map is maxium wc3 size

What i Thinked: When i downloaded it, i was thinking in something like risk, just like the starwars risk, that u can enter and exit from planets, but was everything on same ground, with molten lava everywhere and bad use of doodads (Doodads, Destructibles, etc...) (-4,00)

I'm afraid I have no idea what your saying there could you restate that please?

As for terrain. Meh I don't think aesthetics are as important as gameplay.

 

[Arcmage]

I Wanted to say, that i was thinking in something like "Spacial Conquest" not planetary... Everyone is in only one planet...

You realize there are 5 planets right? There are two players on each planet so I am not sure how can say everyone is on one planet. You hit escape to zoom into space then you send ships to other peoples worlds. This is a huge aspect of the game probably the most important aspect. The flagships are leveling hero's and space is the most important battlefield in most games.

I'm not trying to defend the map because you gave it a low rating. I am trying to defend it because I think some of the reasons you are rating it lowly are not true.

It sounds like you started on Novan (The lava world) and did not realize you could go through space to the other four worlds (Crotournal, Umos, Magthardious, and Vescer)

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

Re-Review

WHAT A SHAME! sorry up guys, i dint tested the planet controls system, actually, i dind even saw it...
Terrain is Very Good, Playablity is highly Nice... And All Bad Stuff was removed... counting: 5,00 (Epic) (5/5)

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The Good Stuff:
-Variety of Models/Skins (+5,50)
-Gameplay is very good (+1,50)
-Playability is Nice, Actually Highly Awesome! (+1,15)
-Terrain: Very Cool! Amazing work on it (+3,50)

The "OK" Stuff:
Units & Gamemode.

The Bônus Stuff:
Good Using of Mountains along the map (+0,30)
Intresting Game, im trying to play online (+0,35)
Good Researching complex (+2,00)
Name Changing System: Very Nice (+1,50)
Bugs: None (+1,25)

Total
5,00 (Epic) (5/5)
Reached Epic Level, so i grant +rep

Sorry about my prev review, i dint tested alot of things, very sorry
Sorry u too Arcmage
i dint teested the planet controls...
So Now The map Highly Epic! GREAT WORK

 

[Dragonsz]

One thing worth noting is that some planets have other passes that can allow you to get to the other side of it (where the other player starts) and this can add a large advantage to players who start on these planets with games that have only 5 ppl because you can quickly get to the other side and take the city there without having to fight the guys in the centre. One suggestion would be that if no one starts in a given place you can have some creeps spawn there like if there were 2 players on a 4 player map in a warcraft3 melee game. (I know creeps are a resource given the bounty but its something that you would have to fight against to get the city.)

One balance thing is that the gun turret that the engeneer can lay down is very weak and probably needs to be tweaked, or mabie the damage could be scaled with kinetic weapons damage so that its not uselsess against an enemy with alot of armor upgrades on whatever its firing at.

 

[Darkgamma]

First of all, the map is pretty awesome.

The Good Stuff:
-Variety of Models/Skins (+0,50)
-Gameplay is very good (+0,50)
-Playability is common of melee (+0,15)

The Bad Stuff:
-Needing of Heroes (-0,25)
-Units Attack Is far too high for buildings health (-0,50)
-Map Size: Very Small for a game of the type (-0,25)
-Terrain: Very Poor Work, you should work much more on that stuff (-1,00)


The "OK" Stuff:
Units & Gamemode.

The Bônus Stuff:
Good Using of Mountains along the map (+0,30)
Intresting Game, try to play online (+0,35)
What i Thinked: When i downloaded it, i was thinking in something like risk, just like the starwars risk, that u can enter and exit from planets, but was everything on same ground, with molten lava everywhere and bad use of doodads (Doodads, Destructibles, etc...) (-4,00)
Good Researching complex (+2,00)
Name Changing System: Very Nice (+1,50)
Bugs: None (+1,25)

Total
4,25 (Awesome)
Reached Awesome Level, so i grant +rep

I Loved the map anyway, but please, work on terrain, is very poor

Poop on that!

You realize there are 5 planets right? There are two players on each planet so I am not sure how can say everyone is on one planet. You hit escape to zoom into space then you send ships to other peoples worlds. This is a huge aspect of the game probably the most important aspect. The flagships are leveling hero's and space is the most important battlefield in most games.

I'm not trying to defend the map because you gave it a low rating. I am trying to defend it because I think some of the reasons you are rating it lowly are not true.

It sounds like you started on Novan (The lava world) and did not realize you could go through space to the other four worlds (Crotournal, Umos, Magthardious, and Vescer)

That's true. This game is so much more than what so many hivers can imagine (so many are idiots, too, so they don't count)

 

[Dragonsz]

There is another thing worth mentioning here. When you set the settings on team planets (or whatever its called) and one guys ally quits the game, the other player gets all of the money his ally had and also get another advantage because a team of 2 players has to both spend the recources to get a single technology (i.e. they both has to spend the recources to get space travel) and they are spend twice as much in terms of their pooled recources (they may not be sharing their recources but if you look at the money they both have) as the guy who's ally left the game and his "team" (only him) is spending half the money to get the tech as 2 other people are. Granted the team of 2 ppl have the techs from the economic reaserch centre and they have 2 final tier techs they can get but still someone who knows what they are doing can take advantage of this to get space dominance very easily.

 

[Arcmage]

Yes but the team of two has twice as much micromanagement capability as well as access to two final techs (Warp and Cybernetics?) and very strong United We stand bonus + a free trade partner. Space dominance is overrated, unless you use it to rush people its not that strong (you can get around it by being sneaky with transports, dark energy ships, or warp tech). Unless the other guy is a noob I would rather have an planetary ally than an extra territory and some start money.

 

[Dragonsz]

@archmage I understand and I forget about the united we stand benefit but one game where this happened was where the guy swarmed us with fighters sometime after his ally left then went antarion station and bombed our planets. Granted this was before some of the balancing was done (before the orbital missle launchers that the space construction thing makes has the 10 less points of damage taken, the very first orbital defence thing you can make in space) so mabie if it happened now it would have gone better, but still being in space you can use phenix drones to bomb planets from out of range to do anything about it unless you have orbital or planetary shield generator protecting you.

 

[Arcmage]

Pheonix and Antarions are very expensive. You can get warp and cybernetics to go around his dominant space fleet much faster than he can get decent orbital bombardment.

 

[Dragonsz]

the point of rushing to space dominance is that you have all those extra recources in space plus if that guy had a trade partner he would still be in a far more commanding position, and what I said before about that guy having to reaserch something once and 2 ppl have to reaserch something twice in terms of the recources they both have seems like a large advantage.

As I said before though this happened before alot of the balance changes occured.

Also can I ask when do you guys usually play this because its because I would like more ppl to play this with.

 

[Arcmage]

I usually play 7-9 pm us west time. I usually use mmh. If you want to add me to friends list its arcmage@useast or archmage.@uswest or arcmage@northrend depending on which server you use.

 

[Dragonsz]

Does an ion cannon sattelite, or a nuke strike go through ground based shield generators, probably they should due to how powerful shields are already.

I think I remember that a devastator's nuke overload does go through ground based shields.

Oh and you might want to update the orbital drop sattelite to drop laser tanks too.

 

[Arcmage]

Nukes defiantly don't but they easily out range shields so you can just drop them outside of the shield generator and It will destroy it. Never tried ion cannoning a shield. Not sure about after the GTS laser debuff but spam shields can be very hard to break (pretty much impossible without Galactic cannon in old vers).

 

[TKF]

Nukes defiantly don't but they easily out range shields so you can just drop them outside of the shield generator and It will destroy it. Never tried ion cannoning a shield. Not sure about after the GTS laser debuff but spam shields can be very hard to break (pretty much impossible without Galactic cannon in old vers).

Well the ground shields is primary meant to block direct hit nukes and bombardments. However it protects poorly against warp gates, invasions from a different locations and mutagenic drops. Also ghost transports can slip through without the Ground to Space laser being able to shoot on them without detectors. Still doing shields is kinda turtling tactic if you decide to fortify your planet and make it hard to attack. However in time it might end up that your opponents control 2 or more planets with greater income than you and in the long run turtling is bad.

I think devastator planet diving should be blockable by shields. I'm not sure about that.
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0.96 is under development, but I discovered a flaw in the current balance system which I had to correct and lots of stuff and it might take 1 or 2 weeks on this weekend or next, depening when I got freetime enough to get it done. I might redo the ship balancing again since it seems more messed up than before and overlook its strengths again. But it will be a major readjustment of current armor and damage settings for further balancing and putting more reasonable ship counters than just using laser ships as ultimate counters vs fleet dominance. It will be more like than rock, scissors and paper rather than fusion and laser owns it all. I will change that in 0.96

So it will be much more tactical in space, but much the same on the ground unfortunately so far.

Doubled asteroid miner efficiency and costs
Sabres very slow armor reduction
Fixed the multiboard to show the real power of your military power

I have no more bugs atm. I'm going to look on the devastator cuz it looses meltdown permanently after a warp jump and phoenix drones for leaks. I don't have any others so far.

 

[Dragonsz]

Ghost transports instantly drop guys and on crotur they can be dropped in a valley where they cannot move. I know that if the guy has alot of defences on the planet that instantly dropping guys in kinda useful so both ways... one idea is to put a setting on the ghost transport that makes them instantly drop guys or not (example if you want to sneak specialists to their planet).

As for mutagenics or ground invasions the shields on the command centre (if he at all prepares for a ground attack) can take 400 damage and that only takes 30-40 mana away from the command centre (my siege walker attacked an anti-air vehicle), that does kinda seem to need balancing by nerfing the damage/mana absorbed ratio because it seems to be too powerful.

Ground based shield generators could be more expensive given what they do for you as well.

A question about mutagenics though is that if you drop spores on a planet does that mean that the initial attack of zergling is all that comes from it or does it mean that because you launched spores at their planet that more and more guys will spawn over time even if there are no mutagenic creatures or eggs on a planet at a given time?

Also with nukes if you make a planetary missle launcher on the guys planet and you fire a nuke from the missle launcher to anywhere on the same planet would that go through ground shields?

Ion cannon sattelites could be more durable because it wouldn't take alot of hits from a planetary laser and one missle would kill it and you might not be able to fire it if your not quick enough, and im not sure if there are alot of situations where you would want to use it (if the guy has shields I dont know if it goes through them or if he has hardly any defence it would be easier to just send fighters in or ground forces). What would be neat is if it could also fire at ships in space too.

Edit: Bugs Found

Stealth field generators on the ground effect enemy units as well.

Recon vehicles also dissapear completely when they are cloaked by stealth field generators. (was this intended, or left there on purpose?)

There is a space warning about your fleet being attacked when you drop troops from the orbital drop sattelite.

 

[Lightt]

Good

It's a excelent map callex great work .Hey callex you can help me im the project of my and my friend?

 

[Dragonsz]

I have some more thoughts on this. An idea for a final tier tech is advanced stealth technology, what it does is it lets your dark energy ships use an attack ability while they are cloaked that does alot of burst damage compared to that particuler ships normal damage but also decloaks the ship, also and I dont know if it is possible but it could decrease the range of enemy stealth detectors in space. You could get a moble stealth field generator for ground units and have some way to cloak your buildings in space.

TKF:
"It will be more like than rock, scissors and paper rather than fusion and laser owns it all. I will change that in 0.96

So it will be much more tactical in space, but much the same on the ground unfortunately so far."

To help fix this for ground what you could do is make laser infantry which are basically like marines that have laser weapons, and for plasma weapons you could have plasma based flamethrowers that kill infantry very fast and have some kind of damage over time effect vs vehicles and structures.

I do realise that you have made changes to mutagenics and with ion tech how powerful the oblivion is but shields still give you alot of advantages in alot of areas because people still do rush to the atlas which are strong and you have all the other shields to protect your planet from bombardment and ground attacks, I however have not played that many games when people use atlas but shields tech does seem to be very strong in alot of area's of the game.

Edit: glitch

Possibly a big glitch but in a game some guy was able to do something that made all the planets dissapear in space you could not get back into your planet without the auto pan going back there because someone is attacking you, and you would have to use it to get back into space (the space view button)

 

[Great Chief Aeon]

I See something that would be nice... two actually
First is that u could add some custom musics...
and second is if u can add an AI to computer players... would be nice

 

[Arcmage]

Is Dark Energy supposed to be more powerful for its cost in space than Fusion? Because right now fusion only does 105% damage to DE. 12 of DE basic fighter can beat a Hyperion, Phantasms kill Rapier. Considering Fusion is very weak on the ground and cannot turn invisible I don't see why it should lose to equally expensive Dark Energy tech in space. Also did you remember to change space missile and space nukes life in the rebalance? Because my large fleet (3 phoenix and 2 goliath) was not able to shoot down a single space nuke. Space nukes can fire from Umos to Crotornal allowing them to destroy drydocks I think this is very rigged as they can be acquired early game.

 

[TKF]

I See something that would be nice... two actually
First is that u could add some custom musics...
and second is if u can add an AI to computer players... would be nice

I won't implement music cuz I'm trying to keep the map size to 2mb

Also it's impossible to add an AI into the map. The map systems is to complex and Callex has tried, but had to give up mainly due to ground to space transition. There won't be any AI.

Is Dark Energy supposed to be more powerful for its cost in space than Fusion?...

Dark ships is kinda meant to counter fusion ships. At least that will be indended for the next version. I will also make the dark ships more weaker compared to costs as well and also take the cloaking ability more into account. Then dark ships must be countered by something as well which I will make a solution for.

Space nukes can fire from Umos to Crotornal allowing them to destroy drydocks I think this is very rigged as they can be acquired early game.

I will further reduce the range of the nuke, since umos and croturnal is quite close to each other and the range is kinda meant to being able to hit phoenixes from a long range.

There is a space warning about your fleet being attacked when you drop troops from the orbital drop sattelite.

Noted. Advanced cloaking, no.

Also I will add 1 big surprise or 2.

Added a new thing... :
Redesigned the ship armor classes...
New awesomeness... What is it?

 

[Darkgamma]

Tis'game's purely made o'win, so shut y'er mouths.

 

[SasuhKun]

Oh my, if it isn't dark gamma with the same avatar as always. Also, I have no complains... For now.

 

[TKF]

I'm doing some recalculation and rebalancing of all ships again for next version.

Redesigned the ship armor classes to distinct between each engine category (Yep that means new counters)
Also reworked the weapons counters against different armor types
Readjusted the military points on multiboard to represent the real power
Added several units which was not calculated for military points
You can now toggle autodropoff option on the transport ships
Added radar warning against hostile orbital satellite drops
Doubled the costs and efficiency of asteroid miners
Increased the costs of Spy Satellite
Reduced the range, damage and costs of the space nuke missile
Nerfed the Command Center shields and also reduced its costs
Given the correct costs on drops from drop satellite compared to real costs
Added hostile defense on the south side of Vescer to make terrain more balanced
Made a fix to the sabres armor reduction which made it way to slow
Fixed a bug concerning the Devastator Core overload ability after a warp jump

I'm about 25-50% done, but need several testings to check things out. I got some little more freetime now so hopefully I can finish it within a week (maybe). It depends how much testing I must do and repair the bugs occuring. Adding a new element to the map is going to take a lot of time.

 

[Arcmage]

Nice changes so far keep up the good work.

Readjusted the military points on multiboard to represent the real power

Finally spamming marines won't give you more points than having an antarion . You might want to give people points for having technologies from the military lab.

 

[Dragonsz]

Added hostile defense on the south side of Vescer to make terrain more balanced

Do this for umos too.

 

[Darkgamma]

Oh my, if it isn't dark gamma with the same avatar as always. Also, I have no complains... For now.

Yep, I'm back (and fighting against ponies)
Ontopic, I think that Crotur needs a bit more obstacles and features (this might apply to any planet)

 

[TKF]

Added 1 new mobile battle station: EXECUTOR! (Fusion)
Added 1 new ground vehicle: Plasma Mech
Added 1 new type of ship class: Interphased Ships with Disruptor weapons
Added 1 new drydock: Phase Drydock
Added 1 new space defense: Disruptor Cannon
Added 7 interphase type ships to the map
Acolyte, Slicer, Fielder, Driller, Sage, Nemesis and Starfury
Removed the useless sting rocket module and replaced it with disruptor module
Nerfed the plasma cannon module
Added new technologies along with the research for the new ship technology
Done some recalculation and rebalancing of all ships again
Redesigned the ship armor classes to distinct between each engine category
Ship armor is split into: Fission > Fusion > Dark Energy > Interphase
Laser good vs Fission ships, Plasma vs Fusion, Disruptor vs Dark etc...
All engine upgrades has same upgrade costs now
Also reworked the weapons counters against different armor types
All structures does now have titanium armor instead of fortified
All space defense does now have different armor
Rocket and Laser attacks is strong vs 2 and weak vs 2 armor categories
The rest is strong vs 1 armor and weak vs 1 armor category
Readjusted the military points on multiboard to represent the real power
Added several units which was not calculated for military points
You can now toggle autodropoff option on the transport ships
Added radar warning against hostile orbital satellite drops
Doubled the costs and efficiency of asteroid miners (To reduce spam)
Increased the costs of Spy Satellite
Reduced the range, damage and costs of the space nuke missile
Nerfed the Command Center shields and also reduced its costs
Given the correct costs on drops from drop satellite compared to real costs
Added hostile defense on the south side of Vescer to make terrain more balanced
Added hostile defense on boths sides of Crotur to make terrain more balanced
Added hostile defense on the north side of Umos to make terrain more balanced
Made a fix to the sabres armor reduction which made it way to slow
Fixed a bug concerning the Devastator Core overload ability after a warp jump
Slightly buffed the orbital laser (due to new weapon counter balancing)
Made lots of lots of minor adjustments and fixes

Being released today. Callex knows about this, so he will do it quite soon.

Spoiler Screenshot

I've skipped testing several things, so if you see any bad description or anything not working at all let me know.

 

[Arcmage]

New ship class! I knew it! Is fusion good vs interphase so its like rock paper sisor are fusion only good vs fission. Overall great update ! Now you just need an interphase ground unit. (The more stuff you add the more stuff you need to add surrender to the cycle).

 

[Dragonsz]

Added hostile defense on the north side of Umos to make terrain more balanced

You need to add defences to the south side because the north side (yellow) can have an advantage because the player there can easily get to all other beacons on the planet before they hit the middle one.

 

[Arcmage]

With the terrain stuff I think your going the wrong way. You shold be able to go around the middle on all of the terrains. That is the only real way to balance it. (or actually block it with terrain). But having some blocked by creeps and others blocked by terrain is not balanced.

Edit:
I tested the map and noticed two glitches.
A. The minimap picture is gone.
B. You can get Antarions and Excalibure without researching the necessary final tier.

 

[prinz_cenarius]

nice work for now..
but there are many bugs ^^

 

[TKF]

nice work for now..
but there are many bugs ^^

I would appreciate to know what those bugs are. There might be many bugs since I have tested it in singleplayer testings. I will probably release a bugfix version in a week or so.

Edit:
I tested the map and noticed two glitches.
A. The minimap picture is gone.
B. You can get Antarions and Excalibure without researching the necessary final tier.

The antarion bug seems to only occur when you actually haven't picked a final tier. Noted.

With the terrain stuff I think your going the wrong way. You shold be able to go around the middle on all of the terrains. That is the only real way to balance it. (or actually block it with terrain). But having some blocked by creeps and others blocked by terrain is not balanced.

The purpose is actually making the mid section in a way that you must fight the neutral forces there, also meant as a sort of barrier to prevent players fighting each other to rush each other instantly. In Magtheridus and Novacia only way to travel trough the planet is through mid, while the others is different. Actually you have to fight down more defenses on the other planets now than on Novacia and Magtheridus.



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As with the ship armor class counters, since there is 4 ship categories, there will be 2 types which are equally strong against each other. All docks does have same costs and engine and weapons upgrades are almost equalized now, since the dark ships got slightly more nerfed a bit due to the fact they can cloak. Here is some numbers.

Useful info:
Rocket attacks does 150% damage vs interphase and 65% vs impact and fusion (Fission)
Laser does 150% damage vs impact and fission and 65% vs dark (Fusion)
Plasma does 150% vs fusion and 65% vs interphase (Dark Energy)
Disruptor does 150% vs dark and 65% vs fission (Interphase)
Fission and Dark ships are equally effective against each other
Fusion and Interphase ships are equally effective against each other

Also rocket attacks is also strong vs titanium, but weak vs impact. Laser is good vs troops but weak against titanium. Fort armor removed cuz it was actually working in the same way as titanium.

Also orbital space defenses has different armors and counters in the same way as space ships! Laser turrets has fusion armor and is super effective vs fission ships. Disruptor cannon is effective vs dark ships etc...


Feedback is welcome!

 

[Dragonsz]

The discription for the driller has a spelling mistake the word har, and if you click on a DE ship and mouse over its armor the wording for that is all wrong.

You removed the stingray rocket from the battlestation but it still starts with one.

In the near future is there going to be an interphase flagship?

For ground units you could do what command and conquer 3 did and when you get say level 8 laser weapon you could then reaserch miniature laser weapons which would give the recon vehicles a laser attack which is better vs infantry (or the laser marines that I suggested before), you could do this with some of the mechs too they get some other kind of attack when you get the level of reaserch for a weapon (i.e. level 5 plasma or disrupter gives them another kind of attack) at the military reaserch centre.

Also some kind of plasma or disruptor based ground to space weapon would be neat too.

Great work btw.

 

[deathsilence46]

Cool! i like this and this is like starcraft me i like starcraft i give you 5/5

 

[natnat]

v0.96
Good map,
9/10
This map is how the zerg race started.
Soon Samir Duran/Someone will make the protoss then the hybrids.
I've played the game several times alone, wish you add some AI.
but i've enjoyed Mutagen Tier, squishing those zergs.


Hey i've found a bug but i don't know how i got that.
I entered a Battlecruiser in loworbit, the Starcruiser.
I also noticed that i can build the Antarion and Executor Mobile Stations without researching the mobile station Tier and during haven't started any tier yet.
The rocket infantry benefits from kinetic projectile you should change that too.

 

[nitko]

Yeaaaaah, finaly found a way to contact map maker /maintener; it wasn't easy since there isn't any contact info @epicwar or map credits!

Alright, I played around 20 solar conquest games, mostly with my clan buddies @garena, so here is my feeling / contribution about it...

Map is really epic and unique, totally great job dude! I played ton of custom maps, and none had so great mind-blowning experience when you press Esc for first time and comprehend the depth of gameplay, layers of possibilities. Really had no idea something like this was possible within w3 engine, it must require some MAD MAP EDITING SKILLS!

Alright now about balance stuff that annoyed most (based on 0.95c-d): damn Nukes are too OP, and planetary rockets have too much range, you can basically fire rocket from planet to conquer some nearby space sector, wtf! Also they can be spammed from planet too fast. -

There was also one bug which happened once that screwed whole game for everyone: it was one guy that left game and suddenly game was triggered as finished for all (credits started to show, ending music, itd... ). Really strange bug, we didn't play for long since it happened and I saved replay in case you might wanna check it out, its here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2867855/0.95d solar bug.w3g (1.24e patch)

Ok, thats all from top of my head, just wanna give thumbs up to map creator/updater, looking forward to next versions of this epicness.

One of top 5 maps for warcraft 3 without arguing, only shame its not more promoted / played, imho you should set some bots on Northrend, maybe some league and *website*, similarly how is done with battleships crossfire... map is maybe not mature yet as battleships but its definetly going there.

Cheers!