Solar Conquest v0.97e

[lief1]

Your math is flawed! It would be 67%!

 

[H3lios]

all of that defense can be broken. everything has its weaknesses and can be defeated. i still think that the muta tech is fine where it is, just the whole pooling resources is the problem.

speaking of which, i believe you can make a tax on resources since inside WW1: Road to War, they hada tax of 33% on it, so only 66% of the resources you give your ally is actually recieved. you can try and ask the creator how he did that if you want.

Yes, but it takes way too much time and way too much money.

Stacked shields with the new PDL triggers are hell. At least without teleporting devastators.

 

[Jargalhurts]

the commercial complex isn't avaiable when i researched commercial economy research.
and the chemical trooper is still on the barracks list when i researched a different final tier tech.

 

[Hunter9G]

Your math is flawed! It would be 67%!

yea i know im doing the one-third method. if you want to overanalyze it then its techniceally 33.33333333333333333333etc and then you recieve 66.6666666666666666666666. get it?

also thats the point im trying to do. make it so that sharing resources is time consuming and costs alot. make the tax less on alliances between someone on the smae planet though.

 

[lief1]

yea i know im doing the one-third method. if you want to overanalyze it then its techniceally 33.33333333333333333333etc and then you recieve 66.6666666666666666666666. get it?

also thats the point im trying to do. make it so that sharing resources is time consuming and costs alot. make the tax less on alliances between someone on the smae planet though.

why reply was meant as a joke
also it would be 66.6666666666666666666667.

 

[frostloh]

new loading screen for 0.91b's nice

 

[TKF]

Don't pick Good vs Evil! it's bugged in 0.91 and 0.91b, cuz it's not working properly. I'm going a quick fix to fix it properly.


I post it incase you don't report the same bugs I've got feedback on. 0.91c being released asap.

 

[lief1]

I would like to inform you of a bug I found, while playing single player to see all the new things when i panned into to space my planet disappeared, and I could not zoom back on to it. I used the "iseedeadpeople" cheat to confirm this, and every planet was gone. Also the thing kept saying "Neutral Defeated" before the planets getting lost.

 

[Carter_117]

I would like to inform you of a bug I found, while playing single player to see all the new things when i panned into to space my planet disappeared, and I could not zoom back on to it. I used the "iseedeadpeople" cheat to confirm this, and every planet was gone. Also the thing kept saying "Neutral Defeated" before the planets getting lost.

This happened to me once, just no planets in space so we couldnt zoom back in. try rehosting because when we remade the planets were there. i think thats a memory leak as i think i know what that is now xD

 

[TKF]

I would like to inform you of a bug I found, while playing single player to see all the new things when i panned into to space my planet disappeared, and I could not zoom back on to it. I used the "iseedeadpeople" cheat to confirm this, and every planet was gone. Also the thing kept saying "Neutral Defeated" before the planets getting lost.

This happened to me once, just no planets in space so we couldnt zoom back in. try rehosting because when we remade the planets were there. i think thats a memory leak as i think i know what that is now xD

Hmmm weird, has this occurred in earlier versions? Often in multiplayer? This version?

Stacked shields with the new PDL triggers are hell. At least without teleporting devastators.

Well thanks for confirming that the new Laser triggers work, and not just all clump to one ship at the time which made no difference that you had 10 or 20 or 30 PLD's on the planet.

 

[Lungdrache]

Nice!The current Icon is better!

 

[TKF]

Optimizing bug in 0.91d version, wait to download and play it until 0.91e version is released. Once a player leaves or become defeated, there's a chance that all planets disappear and ruin the game. Probably the same bug for all 0.91 versions.



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I have vacation now, so I'll be gone for a week or so. This is the latest update for now so don't get old meanwhile the updates are gone.

I'm to tired to test more, done that all days and found only fatal bugs all the time. Other fatal bugs has to be fixed next week if there are more....

 

[lief1]

Try giving the neutral player some food and a civilian building if you can't fix it, that might stop it.

 

[SasuhKun]

A bug: I cannot load any saved game. It crashes wd3 when I try to do so.

 

[Carter_117]

Hmmm weird, has this occurred in earlier versions? Often in multiplayer? This version?

well this happened to me in 0.89, and it has only ever happened once and so a simple remake of the game tended to fix it

 

[lief1]

3 times I have tried single player (on current version), all 3 times it effected me.

 

[TKF]

3 times I have tried single player (on current version), all 3 times it effected me.

Triggers is annoying, some of the systems (that you don't notice ingame) aren't working for some odd reason. But the worst is that defeat trigger keep running cuz it defeats the wrong player and doesn't end until the currect player get defeated. In a game I played purple got defeated and he had great economy, then he suddenly lost everything he got.


I sent 0.91f to Callex. Defeat triggers isn't something I can test properly alone. It works when I test it, but not on bnet. I've looked over the triggers and there's nothing wrong with it in the past 25 versions, and I didn't alter it at all and suddenly in the latest versions this just happen.


I suspect that the optimizer does something wrong here

 

[huntere15]

I have an idea! Make an upgrade for Shield Final tier that lets you purchase energy shields to equip on your ships ( Based off of mana shield )

 

[DarkKnight]

Is it btw possible to do something simular to big bad voodoo, to make an area of effect shield unit?

 

[SasuhKun]

Both ideas, as modules?

 

[H3lios]

Is it btw possible to do something simular to big bad voodoo, to make an area of effect shield unit?

No... please no.. Imagine the bullshit from devastators and Antarions and Dreadlords and Aegis and uuughhh. The atlas spam is enough already.

Also, the ability to blow up civi buildings would really be appreciated so we can control which of our structures goes kablooey when we go negative in population.

Also, here's a new absolutely absurd bug.

A friend and I were playing with shared unit control because it reduces micro for both of us and she was supposedly trustworthy. However, she decided to turn my own galactic cannon on me in an effort to finally make me lose. However, we had already blown up 2 other planets, Umos and Vescer earlier in the game. So when I decided to finish off the destruction of not only my own planet, but Magtheridus as well, I had no idea that the players remaining would be able to live in space because Either the defeat condition of losing all your civi buildings is no longer there or obliterating a planet doesn't actually remove the civilian buildings or cause them to count as being removed. I knew there were completely dead because the only last remaining planet, Novan, was completely owned by me. Sadly, the other two players, my friend and a pubber, were able to survive in space without a problem.

 

[TKF]

A friend and I were playing with shared unit control because it reduces micro for both of us and she was supposedly trustworthy. However, she decided to turn my own galactic cannon on me in an effort to finally make me lose. However, we had already blown up 2 other planets, Umos and Vescer earlier in the game. So when I decided to finish off the destruction of not only my own planet, but Magtheridus as well, I had no idea that the players remaining would be able to live in space because Either the defeat condition of losing all your civi buildings is no longer there or obliterating a planet doesn't actually remove the civilian buildings or cause them to count as being removed. I knew there were completely dead because the only last remaining planet, Novan, was completely owned by me. Sadly, the other two players, my friend and a pubber, were able to survive in space without a problem.

I thought I fixed it in the 0.91f. He could still move around in space? A defeated player shouldn't be able to stay ingame to control either, but it happens probably cuz of stack overflow prevent some triggers from working.


There is 2 problems which delays fixing:

1. I've probably reached the stack overflow limit in the map, that means there will be no more new stuff and future version of the map will ruin other systems so it isn't possible to add more and fix old stuff. Remaking victory trigger don't work cuz it doesn't remove the warcraft 3 limits using necesary systems. I have to remove features to make up for the problem.
   
2. Worst problem: Dad called me and said lightning has struck near our house and incinerated electronic equipment, phone, internet modem, in other words it means my computer is probably fried and my means of updating for now is delayed for the time being.

 

[H3lios]

This bug was in version E. My bad, I will see if it works in version F if I ever get the chance.

 

[Tunercarof1970]

Does this map have AI? or is it my version of warcraft? because The only thing AI players do is mine crystals. my version of warcraft is 1.21b. Any help would really be appreciated!

 

[SasuhKun]

No AI, too complicated to implement one.

 

[Aenir]

Blue starts with 2 Ground Construction Units and 1 Defense worker, rather than the usual 3 Ground Construction Units

 

[Hunter9G]

thats a plus

 

[Carter_117]

Blue starts with 2 Ground Construction Units and 1 Defense worker, rather than the usual 3 Ground Construction Units

sshhh im usually blue... xD

but it does make it more interesting... to see some comparisons. xD

 

[TKF]

0.92 being released soon with a new ship. Also features removal of Chuck Norris events.

spoiler

Hyperion Battlecruiser - in 0.92

 

[Carter_117]

chuck norris events?

 

[lief1]

When I was playing online a big happened; it said everyone left when we were all playing- it did nothing about it but it did happen. And shortly after I got disconnected. I assumed it was not the games fault I disconnected but the bug could have caused it I don't, just though i would report the bug.

 

[TKF]

When I was playing online a big happened; it said everyone left when we were all playing- it did nothing about it but it did happen. And shortly after I got disconnected. I assumed it was not the games fault I disconnected but the bug could have caused it I don't, just though i would report the bug.

Was it in the 0.92b version? That bug did exist in 0.92.

 

[TheOverWhelming]

"There is 2 problems which delays fixing:

1. I've probably reached the stack overflow limit in the map, that means there will be no more new stuff and future version of the map will ruin other systems so it isn't possible to add more and fix old stuff. Remaking victory trigger don't work cuz it doesn't remove the warcraft 3 limits using necesary systems. I have to remove features to make up for the problem.
2. Worst problem: Dad called me and said lightning has struck near our house and incinerated electronic equipment, phone, internet modem, in other words it means my computer is probably fried and my means of updating for now is delayed for the time being."

1: Stack overflow? How many systems can you be using? I see very few systems when I see the game actually in effect.

2: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477064

 

[lief1]

it says version .92

 

[Tleno]

I just love your updates, TKF!
Anyway, the only thing I currently lack is AI. You know, at least some kind of pseudo AI that would immitate combating you like normal player but actually working more on trrgiers than on your own?
Gamemodes would be fun too!
Like these:
-You have to capture something in a middle of a map or most of things scattered on a map around so timer would start. When timers is over, the player who owns the object/most of them, wins. If someone else captures it, sayonara victory!
-Some kind of survival/elimination mode. All players constantly have their planets besieged by alien (or whatever) motherships that send troops on ground and spaceships in space, trying to destroy you. To acess the Space Tech you have to also have captured a central sspaceport in a center of map, protected by hostiles. Only when you capture it and manage to protect it you can make space tech. You main mission is destroy your planet's mothership to win.
-Planetary Chaos. There are less resources on the planets and there ae more of hostiles pn thpse, sometimes those even attack you periodically. Advanced planetary defences unaviable, asteroids have more resources. In ths mode there is higher priority of space warfare and ground defences are weaker.
-Tech race. From begining of game you get points from every research you make. In a middle of space map there's a hostile spaceship that attacks all planets by sending forces on them and attacking all spaceships. After the destruction of it timer appears. The one who has most of research points at the end of game is winner. Player elimination wipes him out of game.

 

[TKF]

You know that map is divided into several zones and camera bounds, it's impossible for a computer to understand it. Impossible to make an AI for the map, also I cannot add more triggers since I'm nearing the wc3 editor limit. If I should add an AI, it has to be triggered since the map isn't AI friendly pathingwise. It is more immense to make an AI than making Solar Conquest from scratch.

Using AI editor doesn't work for Solar Conquest cuz it wasn't made maps with several zones (space, planets).

 

[Tleno]

Well yes, I understand that... this is why I said Pseudo-AI, which would immitate to be an independant, smart AI that would work without trrigers...

 

[TheOverWhelming]

"..also I cannot add more triggers since I'm nearing the wc3 editor limit. "
Bullshit.

 

[callex]

"..also I cannot add more triggers since I'm nearing the wc3 editor limit. "
Bullshit.

You haven't seen how much stuff is crammed into the map. There are over 250 triggers in solar conquest; a fair portion running many many times a second. After a point, every single trigger starts screwing up simultaneously. This has caused me trouble with both cruiser command and solar conquest. I have tested it extensively. Introducing a passive trigger that does something simple like spawn a unit and remove it every 100th of a second will cause these problems for example. The stack overflow limit is not a new phenomena.

TKF is working at an incredible pace to provide for the fans of this map and others. The least you could do is show some appreciation. If you're going to post here, leave your rudeness at the door.

 

[-Kobas-]

I guess that you delete triggers that are used only once or maybe unused (example: if some player don't play?)

if not do it right away to reduce lag and increase effectiveness!

 

[TKF]

I guess that you delete triggers that are used only once or maybe unused (example: if some player don't play?)

if not do it right away to reduce lag and increase effectiveness!

All player triggers are using loops. There is tons of trigger made by Callex which I not aware of yet.... 1 example is apocalypse, which seems to be a secret to me I don't get it ingame, yet there is triggers for the apocalypse ship.



I haven't played 0.92b after I released it, so it might be bugs with the new 2 Team mode. If someone would test it with 5 players, i want to know that neutral team is working as it should.

 

[Wods-up]

Solar Conquest is by far the most awesome map I've ever played on wc3.
Keep up the great work. (5/5)

Two minor things though: Spaceships seem to enter orbit when the planet is in their path to a point behind a planet. Took me 15 minutes to realize where my ships were. I've also noticed that Civilian buildings have a food cost instead of a "population" cost.

I'm looking forward to .93

PS: I'll test the 2 Team mode as soon as I find time for it.

EDIT: The 2 Teams mode seems to be working. The neutral player joined the dark side when a player from that team left.

 

[TheOverWhelming]

"You haven't seen how much stuff is crammed into the map. There are over 250 triggers in solar conquest; a fair portion running many many times a second. After a point, every single trigger starts screwing up simultaneously. This has caused me trouble with both cruiser command and solar conquest. I have tested it extensively. Introducing a passive trigger that does something simple like spawn a unit and remove it every 100th of a second will cause these problems for example. The stack overflow limit is not a new phenomena.

TKF is working at an incredible pace to provide for the fans of this map and others. The least you could do is show some appreciation. If you're going to post here, leave your rudeness at the door. "

I did show appreciation earlier on a different account. (Changed because I did not like my older username anymore). Specifically, Sworddragon. However, I do not like being ignored or having a map maker give such excuses as "Nearing the WC3 limit" since something as arbitrary as that can be resolved with converting triggers to JASS and putting them in the Map Script (little map icon on the top).

"A fair portion running many many times a second." Please, give examples. I can not think of so many triggers that require such a heavy amount of looping every second other then the Satellite triggers, possibly one with the zooming in feature but certainly that wouldn't require a periodic of .03. Of course I could be forgetting some.
"...100th of a second will cause these problems for example. " Spawning and removing so periodically? I can't see a use for this other then a less efficient way of checking pathing.

"TKF is working at an incredible pace to provide for the fans of this map and others. " I agree, he is working on it and he has been doing well at it. The main issue he should be working on is lowering the lag, not adding more. Less Lag=More Fans=More motivation [supposedly].

 

[TKF]

However, I do not like being ignored or having a map maker give such excuses as "Nearing the WC3 limit" since something as arbitrary as that can be resolved with converting triggers to JASS and putting them in the Map Script (little map icon on the top).

The code still sucks cuz the GUI makes the code inefficient, converting doesn't help. And I don't have any experience with using vJass or Jass. Unfortunately I know only how to use GUI and cleaning leaks to that extent which is possible in GUI. Unfortunately it's impossible to clean all leaks.

What I can do, is to put some triggers to turn on loops when needed. Currently almost every single loop is running by default


Also SC2 beta is reopened now! Which for you guys I've not spent a second working on SC yet, but focused on CC lately. Also I'm probably playing SC2 all the time for now while beta phase 2 is open.


And thanks Wods-up for confirming that the neutral player did work.

 

[callex]

Snip

In which case, I apologise. I took your comment as a direct attack at TKF, I'm sure you can understand why.

The unit spawn was just an example of how to incur the stack overflow limit. I thought you were suggesting that the stack overflow doesn't exist. By 'Wc3 limit' TKF isn't refering to some kind of 'max trigger count' or anything, he means there is a limit to in-game memory usage. Nothing to do with the editor.

But yes, it can be cured with heavy optimisation of existing triggers. As TKF pointed out, it can't really be done well without entire JASS rewrites of every single trigger. You might as well start the map from scratch. (Which incidently, I'm doing with the galaxy editor at the moment).

At the end of the day, wc3 is a very old game. It can only do so much. One of the many reasons I was so quick to jump ship to Starcraft II.

 

[TheOverWhelming]

"What I can do, is to put some triggers to turn on loops when needed. Currently almost every single loop is running by default"
This should decrease lag, thank you.


"But yes, it can be cured with heavy optimisation of existing triggers. As TKF pointed out, it can't really be done well without entire JASS rewrites of every single trigger. You might as well start the map from scratch. (Which incidently, I'm doing with the galaxy editor at the moment). "
Only some triggers should be reworked, I understand how much time and effort it'd take to rewrite everything but simply rewriting the heavy-duty ones should make everyone happier, less lag.

"At the end of the day, wc3 is a very old game. It can only do so much. One of the many reasons I was so quick to jump ship to Starcraft II. "
Understandable ^_^

 

[smartsoldier]

This map is better than life itself. Keep updating with more and more cool stuff. My friend and I are waiting patiently! Btw, just as a side note, you made missile wars?!?!? We love that map! Please come to Ohio so I can marry you!

 

[TKF]

Releasing Solar Conquest 0.93 with a new ship!!!! And a bugfix for 2 team mode with issues with the neutral player!


It's not much but it balances the dark ships so they also can access a super high end ship and it should be a good counter against antarion.



0.93b contains a bug with the planetary laser cannon. I make a rollback to fix it temporary.

Edit_

0.93c contains several bugs which I discovered in a couple of games. Also I'm going to add the an ability for nightmare battlecruiser so it's no longer underpowered. It's attacks and it's ability only works against very strong ships and planets. It's a Capital Ship Killer.

Plasma Core Drill Beam - Coming in 0.93d

 

[Crewdroy]

Callex = Awsome Good map for Space / Futuristic

 

[TKF]

Well, this might be a last release before I enter SC2 arena. From now on the updates won't come quick and updates will depends on players submitting feedback and potencial fatal bugs. Same with cruiser command, it will be updated with bugfixes. Hopefully the control bug is fixed as well.


I GOT SC2 NOW IT'S About time!