Signatures

[Karawasa]

Are too short. Can you increase the height of allowed signatures at least a little bit? My 147 height image gets cut off, and I'd be damned if I tried to fit some tiny text below it. Please?

 

[Gilles]

I hate big signatures. I think they're the perfect size. Add text to the sides if it's too narrow. Get creative.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

It's fine, just reduce the size of the image if it bothers you so much

 

[Linaze]

Large signatures are just annoying, they're fine as they are.

 

[Karawasa]

I didn't say large, but the current size is pathetic. Maybe take a cue from Wc3C?

 

[TheHunterKiller]

I think the size is okay and doesn't need to be changed.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Do I complain about cut off signatures?

 

[Squidle]

Do I complain about cut off signatures?

Yeah. You should anyway xD

And no, the size doesn't have to be changed.
It's fine.

 

[Nbah]

Oh come on, it's just an image. Resize it and go eat pie.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Just that something is 'fine' does not mean that it cannot be improved. The reality, though, is that this site shouldn't even have signatures for the spam and reputation plugging everyone puts in them. Signatures and user titles should be something you earn by proving to the directors that your intelligence quotient exceeds 60. That'd filter out all of the crap about people wanting rep.

If that were to be implemented, however unlikely it is that the staff cares for the maturity level of the userbase, then you could increase the size of signatures with no trouble. (They would've already proven themselves capable of not abusing it if they were able to have one)

 

[Karawasa]

Just that something is 'fine' does not mean that it cannot be improved. The reality, though, is that this site shouldn't even have signatures for the spam and reputation plugging everyone puts in them. Signatures and user titles should be something you earn by proving to the directors that your intelligence quotient exceeds 60. That'd filter out all of the crap about people wanting rep.

If that were to be implemented, however unlikely it is that the staff cares for the maturity level of the userbase, then you could increase the size of signatures with no trouble. (They would've already proven themselves capable of not abusing it if they were able to have one)

Only intelligent response in this thread.

 

[PurplePoot]

Why does everyone see the need to put big images (or any, in most cases) in their signatures anyways?

 

[Karawasa]

Why does everyone see the need to put big images (or any, in most cases) in their signatures anyways?

Who said anything about big? This is big? I'm asking for height to be set to like 160...REALLY BIG!!

 

[PurplePoot]

I consider anything larger than a small icon (32x32 or so max) to be large for a signature. Also, as I said, any.

 

[TDR]

Why does everyone see the need to put big images (or any, in most cases) in their signatures anyways?

e-peen

 

[Nbah]

My signature is bigger than yours. *e-peen grows*

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Why does everyone see the need to put big images (or any, in most cases) in their signatures anyways?

Consider that a user's signature is like a free advertisement after every post that user makes. In this light, if you just use simple text, most people won't be attracted to clicking your advertisement. Pretty pictures, however, make an impression on people and generate far more clicks, thus it makes perfect sense to have said pictures in one's signature.

 

[Hakeem]

Pyritie could probably write a GreaseMonkey script to do what you want.

 

[Xezko]

Yes, but, if Pyritie do that only people who have that script will see the bigger sigs. Other ones will still looking them cut-off. :S
This need a website change to make that everybody see them bigger.
Anyways, I like the size as it right now.

 

[Kwaliti]

Or how about a scrollbar added to the right?

 

[PurplePoot]

Or how about a scrollbar added to the right?

No, please no. I find that embedded scroll bars randomly in posts are incredibly annoying (except, of course, in tags which are meant to support them like script tags).

Consider that a user's signature is like a free advertisement after every post that user makes. In this light, if you just use simple text, most people won't be attracted to clicking your advertisement. Pretty pictures, however, make an impression on people and generate far more clicks, thus it makes perfect sense to have said pictures in one's signature.

But you can have smaller ones in said signature. It's not like rescaling the image by 5-10% ruins the effect.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

But you can have smaller ones in said signature. It's not like rescaling the image by 5-10% ruins the effect.

For the same reason that there are "large" ads on websites and "small" ads on websites. Larger pictures draw more attention.

 

[PurplePoot]

For the same reason that there are "large" ads on websites and "small" ads on websites. Larger pictures draw more attention.

And they also mean more pointless scrolling after the one time you consider clicking them.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

That is why:

The reality, though, is that this site shouldn't even have signatures for the spam and reputation plugging everyone puts in them. Signatures and user titles should be something you earn by proving to the directors that your intelligence quotient exceeds 60. That'd filter out all of the crap about people wanting rep.

If that were to be implemented, however unlikely it is that the staff cares for the maturity level of the userbase, then you could increase the size of signatures with no trouble. (They would've already proven themselves capable of not abusing it if they were able to have one)

 

[PurplePoot]

Even most signatures you might consider useful are only generally useful to a person once. While that's fine by me if they're less than a few lines and thus don't stretch a post by a significant amount--any image more than about the size of an emoticon strikes me as unnecessary, especially as it does not actually describe what they are referencing in most cases or even perhaps detracts from it (like Karu's signature--it's a guy waving his hands over a book. That really describes a tower defence).

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Many of the most successful advertisements have little to nothing to do with what they are advertising. Sometimes something that doesn't make a lot of sense will lure you to click it just out of curiosity. And who cares if a given person only clicks it once? If you can get 100 people to do what that one person did, then it was a successful ad.

(like Karu's signature--it's a guy waving his hands over a book. That really describes a tower defence).

Far better than a picture of a random tower from his map. Not only is that less aesthetically pleasing, but people also immediately know what it refers to, which to clearly uninterested users turns them away from the advertisement when they might have clicked the guy with a book.

Anyways, though, if signatures were limited to a select group who would use them well, it not only motivates people to act intelligent to earn a signature/user title, but it also forces them to not be stupid in their signatures for fear of losing them. With that in mind, I don't think a 20 pixel vertical height increase is too much to ask for.

 

[PurplePoot]

Many of the most successful advertisements have little to nothing to do with what they are advertising. Sometimes something that doesn't make a lot of sense will lure you to click it just out of curiosity. And who cares if a given person only clicks it once? If you can get 100 people to do what that one person did, then it was a successful ad.

Because then every subsequent time you read tht person's post it's wasting your screen size.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Standards for signature sizes are a must, and if the limit is pushed all the time it does not appear regulated. If the difference between a minimal and a maximal signature is too large, the forum will appear awfully messy - bear in mind this mostly concerns vertical height.

A couple replies:
"It's just an image" -
Why thank you, that hit me as an artist directly in the balls.

"Why use images in signatures" -
A picture tells a thousand words, besides if the creator of this image has some experience it does actually look better than plain text - personal taste has its effects here. I'll be the first to admit, my signature looks terrible at the moment. Not only is it a mere extract from the Chat, the cropping is badly executed, leaving a tiny black line on the left - awful - and the quote, coming from a series that I doubt are among the most popular, is probably not even recognized by anyone here.

However, it is not always the purpose of a signature to draw you to another site to see more or anything like that, it might also be to tell a bit about yourself and to break all the text that usually fills a forum. It is also a place for artists to showcase their art, without necessarily linking to the rest of their portfolio.

"Rescaling not ruining the effect"
No, it does not ruin the effect of having an image, though it does reduce the quality of an image (given you don't crop it, which makes it no longer a question of quality, but of completeness).

"Wasting screen size"
Most forums has the option to hide signatures. If you disgust signatures, just hide them and they won't bother you again. And with the little size they take here on Hive, I wouldn't call it wasting space - to be honest your signature, though merely one line of text, takes up as much space, only it is empty so it appear larger.

 

[PurplePoot]

I actually didn't notice that it took up the maximum size no matter what--removed my signature entirely, then. It seems to be inconsistent, but that is indeed annoying. All the more reason not to increase the max size though.

Also, making an image smaller does not decrease the quality.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Because then every subsequent time you read tht person's post it's wasting your screen size.

Man, usually I find you to be insightful and logical, but here you're just being ridiculous. Cry me a river, you have to look at a picture multiple times because the dude posted more than once! So bug Ralle to add a "Disable Signatures" in the User CP or something, since you seem to hate the very idea of them.

It doesn't change the fact that if you removed the ability for any user to have signatures and made them earned, even with increasing the size by 10%, you'd have a net loss of signature space taken up across the website.

 

[PurplePoot]

Earned signatures is a reasonable idea but I'm not convinced it would ever fly. Anyhow, my position remains the way it does and perhaps would change if a lot of the community did not seem to voice the same way; the fact that (specifically by Karawasa) an attempt was made in this thread to discredit anyone who did not agree with the OP as "illogical" does not lend to it.

PS. I like your signature, although you may need to scale it down 5-10% to fit it in the current bounds.

 

[Karawasa]

I actually didn't notice that it took up the maximum size no matter what--removed my signature entirely, then. It seems to be inconsistent, but that is indeed annoying. All the more reason not to increase the max size though.

All the more reason to fix the minimum size...

Earned signatures is a reasonable idea but I'm not convinced it would ever fly. Anyhow, my position remains the way it does and perhaps would change if a lot of the community did not seem to voice the same way; the fact that (specifically by karukef) an attempt was made in this thread to discredit anyone who did not agree with the OP as "illogical" does not lend to it.

It wouldn't fly because there are too many idiots and immature people around. Perhaps there is another reason why you think it wouldn't work? You also seem to have misinterpreted my previous comment. I have no problem with people who don't agree with me. However, it is illogical to hold the position that improvements can't be made. To say "I don't want to increase the size, it is big enough as is" is fine, but to say "it's fine who cares" isn't.

PS: Who the hell is Karukef?

 

[PurplePoot]

Indeed.

 

[Karawasa]

Indeed.

Win?

 

[PurplePoot]

Anyhow, sorry, I keep getting your name confused with Karukef. Fixed.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Well don't get me wrong Poot, I'm not for making the signatures larger either.

And unless you created your signature with vectors, there is no way you can keep the exact same quality on a rescaled version - rescaling is NOT cropping, and by scaling something that is initially 100 pixels (just an example, 10x10 image) down to 81 pixels (9x9), you have lost 19 pixels that did have an effect on the quality. Most photo-editing programs will try to blend pixels in order to substitute the missing pixel, and that does not look very nice.

If you want a specific size for a signature without loss of quality, you either make it yourself initially the correct size, you create it as a vector (and rasterize it in the desired size) or you crop the image to fit the limit. You don't rescale.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Earned signatures? No please. Signatures are useful to link project threads, resources made, or stuff like that. They aren't there to differ one member to another. Doing a signature hierarchy would be horrible.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Earned signatures? No please. Signatures are useful to link project threads, resources made, or stuff like that. They aren't there to differ one member to another. Doing a signature hierarchy would be horrible.

I'm confused as to how you think you wouldn't earn a signature were you to use it for the correct means.

PS. I like your signature, although you may need to scale it down 5-10% to fit it in the current bounds.

Make me, bitch.

By the way, attached is case example #1 of why signatures should be earned/approved.

 

[Eleandor]

It's funny how the average thread uses more space on signatures than on actual content. If anything should be changed, it should be the option to disable signatures. I don't give a shit about the maps you're making, the shameful attempts at funny chat messages or the images that contain nothing interesting at all. What the hell is the point of ending each of your messages with a random dude reading a book anyway?

Edit: apparently you can hide signatures? Why didn't I notice this earlier........

 

[HappyCockroach]

Just change the rules for Signatures and remember people to report improper ones, disabling signature to whoever is using it badly.

But that idea of earning signature rights is retarded.

 

[Ham Ham]

Signatures are okay as they are. No need to modify.


Seriously, can you give me one f*cking good enough reason to increase the signature size limit?

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Seriously, can you give me one f*cking good enough reason to increase the signature size limit?

To allow the usage of more vertically demanding table structures, pictures, and subsequently just having more information in the space.

Signatures are okay as they are. No need to modify.

Again, that they are "okay as they are" does not preclude them from improvement.

But that idea of earning signature rights is retarded.

I've yet to see one good reason why it is as you say, 'retarded.'

It's funny how the average thread uses more space on signatures than on actual content. If anything should be changed, it should be the option to disable signatures. I don't give a shit about the maps you're making, the shameful attempts at funny chat messages or the images that contain nothing interesting at all.

It's ironic that you mention that at the Hive of all websites. Given the opportunity to disable signatures, sure, I'd do it. But let's face it, if you can't give a good reason to get rid of avatars or customizable profiles or friends lists, you can't possibly expect to get rid of signatures. I think having them be earned is a brilliant solution, because it limits their usage to people who might actually have links to their widely used resources or some such; links to things that people might need to click more than once. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with advertising what maps you're making, or did you forget, like the hundreds of other "active users" at this website, that this place supposedly markets itself as a modding community?

What the hell is the point of ending each of your messages with a random dude reading a book anyway?

The same reason that we have customizable profiles, user groups, avatars, reputation gems, and site styles other than the most basic. They look pretty.

 

[viiva]

We should totally go back to that commie layout.

 

[-Berz-]

Doh, resize that image of yours... And be happy that you can have one...

I like to see a nice signature around, but that doesn't meant that its size should be larger than it is now.

 

[Eleandor]

It's ironic that you mention that at the Hive of all websites.

Oh, but I never claimed that only the hive's signatures annoy me. I know only one forum where the people actually keep their signatures of a reasonable size of about 3 lines of text. And for sure it's a more mature one than this one. Most of the other forums are probably even worse than this one. I think the last time I was on the helper.net some signatures took up my whole screen.

Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with advertising what maps you're making

Do you have to do that at every post you make on this forum? Seriously, your rules state advertising in posts is not allowed, but signatures can have it? I mean: wtf is the difference? Other than putting it in your sig is just way easier?

or did you forget, like the hundreds of other "active users" at this website, that this place supposedly markets itself as a modding community?

This *place* you're speaking of happens to have an entire "maps" section as well as a whole "Map development" subforum. If that's not enough for you, then maybe "off-topic" and "diablo 3" and "WoW" subforums don't belong here either?

The same reason that we have customizable profiles, user groups, avatars, reputation gems, and site styles other than the most basic. They look pretty.

Well, I'm sure you can guess my opinion on those? Even though I couldn't care less about avatars, at least they don't make your posts longer because they use empty space on the left of your post. Wait, maybe we should increase avatar size to - say - 256 * 256? Maybe larger, yay!

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Do you have to do that at every post you make on this forum? Seriously, your rules state advertising in posts is not allowed, but signatures can have it? I mean: wtf is the difference? Other than putting it in your sig is just way easier?

Do not advertise things that are not related to Warcraft III on this site. Especially do not advertise products that you wish other people to buy, or pornographic sites. This will result in a ban.

You should read the rules first before referencing them incorrectly. In case you were wondering, advertising WC3 maps is related to WC3.

This *place* you're speaking of happens to have an entire "maps" section as well as a whole "Map development" subforum. If that's not enough for you, then maybe "off-topic" and "diablo 3" and "WoW" subforums don't belong here either?

I'm fairly sure you misunderstood the intent of the text you quoted. The site is obviously a WC3 modding site, but many of the active members here treat it as MySpace #2 instead. What I said was directly referring to that common mistreatment of the site by its members.

 

[Eleandor]

Well, whatever. I'm still very strong about my opinion. But hey, resize it as much as you want, I couldn't care less about it now that I've gotten them disabled.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Eleandor, go fishing. I can't believe that signatures stress you out that badly.

 

[Karawasa]

I think the last time I was on the helper.net some signatures took up my whole screen.

That's a peculiar experience you had, given that only moderators and above are allowed signatures there.

Eleandor, go fishing. I can't believe that signatures stress you out that badly.

He is shitting too many bricks, and would end up sinking the boat.

 

[Eleandor]

That's a peculiar experience you had, given that only moderators and above are allowed signatures there.

Well, it's been a looong time since my last visit there.

I guess I won't bother replying to your second statement, I'd probably lower myself to a level where you have more experience.