Sc2 = Wc3 modding's death?

[Voidwalker]

Do you think that with the arrival of Sc2 and its editor (called ScumEdit) and perhaps WoW: WotlK; Wc3 aged, agonizing modding communities will become so obsolete they will be... (completely) abandoned?

 

[Hakeem]

It'll kill it faster if anything.

 

[donut3.5]

Personally, I think I might like the WC3 editor better, but you never know until you try..
--donut3.5--

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Those poll choices are really bad.

 

[Hakeem]

Well I sure hope Starcraft 2 will be better.

 

[LordDz]

I sure will begin make maps to SC2.. Cuz, I'm getting tired of the wc3 world. I need something new, but with the same good(or even better) editor.

Zergling Max and Rex, here I come!

 

[PurplePoot]

They're different. One is sci-fi, the other pure fantasy, meaning they have very different game options aesthetically.

I bet most people will move to Sc2, but both games will retain a healthy modding community (heck, even Sc1 still does)

 

[Moontraveler]

I'll move to SC2 after completing my 1 planned campaign (Which is my last planned maps for WC3) (It's not even in the works now....)

 

[LordDz]

Or maybe it will be so that at the first months, people move to SC2, then they move back to warcraftIII ?

 

[NovaBlade]

Im gonna move onto sc2 modding when it comes out. if the jump from warcraft to starcraft II is anything like the jump from starcraft to warcraft was, everyone will have to! warcraft III added so much to modding, if starcraft 2 adds half as much as wc3 did then it will be well worth the move (who knows, maybe we'll even get a skin or model editor built into the modding tools?)

 

[Gilles]

I agree with NovaBlade, Blizzard isn't retarded, they won't ruin modding, I'm pretty sure they realise that modding is what puts them ahead of a lot of other games. They can see an example with DotA, it sells copies of WC3 alone.

 

[Yum]

The fact that SC2 is sci-fi will probably keep a lot of stubborn people here, but for the most part I think we'll see the same shift from SC->Wc3 for Wc3->SC2.

Personally, Starcraft was my first RTS and it's really one of the few sci-fi games I actually enjoyed. Sensible modders will realize this is a huge upgrade for them and embrace it with open arms.

 

[Jaakko]

Fantasy and Scifi are two entirely different worlds. I like both in their own ways and I won't leave Warcraft III no matter what. Personally I think creating a scifi story or something should be more harder than fantasy. There's something that can't be done in fantasy and something that can't be done in Scifi so these games won't destroy each other. With the amazing game DotA there should be a lot of activity in b.net still after Starcraft II. It's a new game and will be waiting for its hit maps.

And also another note is that all people won't have computers that could run Starcraft II smoothly.

 

[Moontraveler]

But you forget to note that even with an old game like Warcraft 3 people still can't run it smoothly some times. (Also be carefull when saying that DotA is amazing you might be killed...)

 

[PurplePoot]

/kill

In another news, SC is still being modded, so yeah.

 

[soulcollector]

no, actually. the games are completely different from each other. a good WC3 map maker will still still be a good wc3 mapmaker even after sc2 comes out.

 

[PurplePoot]

That doesn't mean they won't stop modding wc3, soulcollector. (Though yes, I think wc3 modding will survive)

 

[Gilles]

It will survive for sure. The amount of people will slowly diminish to the hard core few. Just like SC still has a few.

 

[Massive_attack]

Sc has loads. Koreans = lifeblood of that game.

i think Wc3 has a good hold on audiences all over, so really, you cant stop it by releasing a new game, that makes no sense.

However Wc3 is on its last legs, with SC2 people will realize how outdated they are in terms of the gaming populace as a whole, some will break off, others will leave for months at a time, playing other games.

Wc3 has had a healthy life, but where there is a begining, there is always an end. Now while im not sure when that end may be, its evident that it comes ever closer.

Do not mourn the coming of Wc3's slow fighting death, Bnet will always have at least a few people on... but it wont be the same. I mean, just look at the custom games, there are so few being hosted now... most people just play dota. dota dota dota. Oh well, one must admit dota did keep Wc3 alive for a while, but now i think it will be its downfall.

 

[soulcollector]

we can't say for sure whether wc3 map makers will survive or not. we'll find that out after the game comes out. but I stick to my previous opinion - wc3 will be wc3. I'll still make my own maps and play in battlenet.

 

[Cool Joe Smith]

well if the WCIII modding comunity dies, what happens to the Hive? and the other sites, will they become SCII Modding sites? OR they will become both, thus creating a perpetual WCIII and SCII modding comunity, meaning that when a new SCII modder comes here, they will see WCIII is here as well they may go back to that old game(assuming that they did not have it before) the creating everlasting WCIII.... but when SCII dies what will continue it?

 

[Massive_attack]

The hive will move on too, Im guesing to support more Sc2 stuff (though i wish we had a small place for SC1 modding too, oh well)

Seriously, Ralle's smart, he wont let The Hive die that easy.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Hive will support Sc2 modding, but no, we are not going to support Sc1 modding, that would be taking a step backwards.

 

[Massive_attack]

i was just saying, it would be nice. Even if no SC1 modding has happened in... what... like a year or something ? probably more... it would still be nice to have its own little tiny corner.

 

[LordDz]

I agree there Massive.. It would be quite fun if we made a little competition in SC1, like ''Tower Defense'' ''RPG'' etc. Made do a map in wc3 and then the competition is to make a SC1 map to look as close to it as possible.

 

[SimonKurciski]

I will not move to SC2, and some nights I have nightmares about finding the WC3 forum on the Hive deserted.

I mean, I just really figured out to mod WC3, and now a new game comes out, and Blizzard expects me to learn to use that editor? Fuck that. No way.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

!WARCRAFT
III
FOR
LIVE!

I have spoken...

 

[UchihaSasuke.gr]

I don't think people will stop modding Warcraft3 because lots of people have loved it.Ok,Starcraft will be a great game and a lot of people will start modding it.But I don't think Wc3 community will be ruined.

*OH SHIT..

666 post

 

[Yum]

I will not move to SC2, and some nights I have nightmares about finding the WC3 forum on the Hive deserted.

I mean, I just really figured out to mod WC3, and now a new game comes out, and Blizzard expects me to learn to use that editor? Fuck that. No way.

Because we all know the Wc3 and SC2 editors will be soooo vastly different.

 

[Gilles]

Because we all know the Wc3 and SC2 editors will be soooo vastly different.

My thoughts exactly. The move to WC3 WE was not very hard. It was very similar, only the WC3 WE was vastly better.

 

[Unhit]

I think I'll rather to stick to WarCraft III. Personally, I like both fantasy and sci-fi a lot, but i prefer fantasy. Also, over the last 5 years since WC3 was released, I hardly played any other game.
And i think fantasy offers more possibilities to create maps than sci-fi does, too, with all the magic and casting stuff (well protoss have psi powers but that's not the same).

 

[KenshinUesugi]

The one major difference between the editiors that might help draw a line is that Warcraft 3 has hero units. Starcraft 2 is going with the same old orignal format of Starcraft when it comes to heroes. Warcraft 3 has more possiblities for RPGs and fantasy while starcraft appeals to more war hardened sci fi fans were it was the army itself that made the army and not really one guy who levels up

 

[KKRP]

I love both the Warcraft and the Starcraft universes as RTS' so I'll probably keep on Warcraft III after I beat Starcraft II and get bored with it. Then, when I'm bored with Warcraft III I'll go back to Starcraft II. And then...

 

[Jaakko]

i think fantasy offers more possibilities to create maps than sci-fi does

I agree with you.

 

[PurplePoot]

It does, but I think the SC world editor will more than make up for it.

And there are also a great many maps that sci-fi will do well... Space maps will look awesome with the Space Platform tileset, or so it seems. (As long as they're smaller-scale, or you could always just zoom the camera way out)

 

[Gilles]

I am hoping they have a hero system implemented into the new WE. They haven't said either way yet have they? Just that in the campaign you will get a hero similar to SC1, and that there won't be any in melee?

 

[musikista022]

Scumedit may be much better, but i think there'll be no leveling heroes in sc2
which means its possible that RPG maps will still continue on wc3

i think...

 

[Moontraveler]

But if you do remember some skilled modders made RPG maps for Starcraft 1 and some of them were actually very good.

 

[KenshinUesugi]

Though you have to remember those RPGs required more then the default editior to make. First you would need an editior that allowed more then 3 levels on upgrades. Then you would probably want a tool that allows you to easily make it so you get a bounty for every different kind of monster you kill. For the same caliber of RPGs on the first SC we could easily match with the default editior with no mods, no gui or jass spells, hell, you don't even need jass triggers to match those rpgs. The power of the editior it self matched and surpass what we could do with the previous editior for RPGs. Now I wonder if this will be a downgrade for RPGs with the transition from War3 to SCII. Though one RPG on SC in my opinion hasn't been topped by any in war3. Open Legends RPG 1 and 2.

 

[PurplePoot]

The SC world editor hacks didn't hack the triggers... they couldn't.

I highly doubt this will downgrade RPGs on sc2 if they don't have heroes, if anything we won't get any more of the low-end ones.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

There will still be sucky RPG's, they will just be even worse than the sucky ones on Wc3 and the high quality ones will be further apart.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I think I'll rather to stick to WarCraft III. Personally, I like both fantasy and sci-fi a lot, but i prefer fantasy. Also, over the last 5 years since WC3 was released, I hardly played any other game.
And i think fantasy offers more possibilities to create maps than sci-fi does, too, with all the magic and casting stuff (well protoss have psi powers but that's not the same).

Second statement obviously biased from the previous statement.

You fantasy people can have your magic and elves and dragons and stuff. I'll have my technology, cyborgs, mutants, chemical warfare, nukes, antimatter, supercomputers, AIs, nanobots, etc.

 

[Hakeem]

And I'll make that stuff with my magic.


Cyborg-dragons == win.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

And I'll make that stuff with my magic.

Just as I can make all your fantasy shit with my future technology. It goes both ways, buddy. While your magic has the possibilities to break all logic and scientific beliefs, my science fiction has the ability to make new logic and science.

 

[Hakeem]

What I said before isn't true: Those that use magic would have neither need nor motivation for creating technology. On the other hand, technology boosts efficiency. In the end, technology takes the best of both worlds:
Cyborg dragons > regular dragons.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

What I said before isn't true: Those that use magic would have neither need nor motivation for creating technology. On the other hand, technology boosts efficiency. In the end, technology takes the best of both worlds:
Cyborg dragons > regular dragons.

In a world with limitless possibilities, any type of fiction is good fiction.

 

[LordDz]

So.. In SC2 we will soon see a Tech vs Magic map Myspacebarbroke ?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

So.. In SC2 we will soon see a Tech vs Magic map Myspacebarbroke ?

I'm sorry, do I hear something? It sounds like the cry of someone missing the point.

Yes, it is possible, but "SC2 modding relates to the capabilities of technology vs magic = how?"

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

It's good that you chose 'I'll stick to war3' because making a war3 map in sc2 will have no place. Mixing fantasy with space... My opinion is that's gonna be a mess, yours is the choice for your own map.

FYI, I've played war3 for about 5 years, no other games, almost, war3 was the main and only game, now it's time to be replaced by sc2.

 

[Gilles]

It's good that you chose 'I'll stick to war3' because making a war3 map in sc2 will have no place. Mixing fantasy with space... My opinion is that's gonna be a mess, yours is the choice for your own map.

FYI, I've played war3 for about 5 years, no other games, almost, war3 was the main and only game, now it's time to be replaced by sc2.

I hope your wrong. I hope they include medieval fantasy, although I doubt it. You could use skins and models, but it sure doesn't work too well in wc3. Although there are some decent RPG shooter maps made.