Pokemon RPG

[Wazzz]

I do believe that a permanent RPG camera would suck ass as I hate how it swivels around madly when you turn the focused unit around >.<. It was only a possibility, and even if we did use it, we would make it optional. It might just be me personally, but I think that RPG cameras suck ass. I'd rather feel free to move around with an overhead camera.

As for the Rattata model, I thought that would be easier than Beedrill, surely! Well, you'd know better, anywayz (as you are the modeller and I am not ). I think it goes without saying that I'd like all the models to look just like the pictures from Pokemon to get the feel of the Pokemon game (e.g. Rattata should probably look ready to strike just like in the standard picture of it).

Haven't heard any more from HappyTauren yet , I will try and contact him.

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

CameraSystem v1.1 - The Hive Workshop - A Warcraft III Modding Site

camera system we will use (i think )

 

[Wazzz]

Now THAT'S a system I can work with! I love it!

I also love your sig lol!

This is the system I propose we use for the map, it will be the best way to present changeable camera distances and such.

 

[Yixx]

it IS the system we are going to use,
in fact, it is already implented, in (another) fact (or how you say it)
this system was requested by ME! =P
And i also hate how you always follow the units facing -.- ,, And i think it would be quite annoying too, since you move with mouse and not with arrows,,

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

In my system, theres actually an option to turn it on (called Cam_CChange i think) so let the player decide ; )

 

[HappyCockroach]

Wazz, Rattata is more difficult because it has contact to the ground, so its animations should look convincing in terms of physics, thats a quite hard thing to do, bedrill, in the other hand, as butterfree, only shake wings and move legs freely, as it wants, with nothing to collide.
also the rigging is much more complex to rattata, bulbasaur, nidorans, rhyhorns...etc... than to venomoth, butterfree, beedrill...
I think that the first one will be a rigged template to all the others of its kind.

I did the Kakuna, it looked so awsome, it was quite hard to do, since kakuna is mostly "round"... but u guys guess what?
3dsmax crashed. i lost the kakuna.
so i started it again with no patience at all and i did it in a 'quite ok' way, i guess...

about the rattata anims...yeah, they are gonna be as agressive as i can do them...a model isnt static as a photo, so you will get the picture's feeling by the attack animation easier.

 

[Yixx]

@ thedeathunterxx: Yes we use RPG cam, but its optional, standard cam is like in the Pkmn games,,

@ HappyCockRoach: I think the head is a little small, I think the proportions of head-body is a little out, i think the head should be a little bigger, not wider, just a little higher,, But it looks nice!

 

[HappyCockroach]

The angle couldn't be worse:

Here it is. it blinks while stands. im quite happy with it...
a few more and I upload them.
a question for u to answer:
Shall i upload to models section and be a kind guy or to the pastebin and be evilish xD
so far: Koffing, Weezing, Metapod and Kakuna

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Maybe it's the angle, but i remmember Kakuna look more "angry" his eys were more like
\ / than - -

 

[Yixx]

could you make the Beedril after this, then Rattata, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, oh Geodude! =O
We also need Geodude!

Kakuna looks nice! The head is much better now! (if you edited! xD,, cause it might be the angle) and LoS is right, though he could also be right about that it could be the angle xD

@ thedeathunterxx: Still we need to know: What is your favorite Pkmn? xD

 

[HappyCockroach]

Kakuna has "focused eyes" instead of angry ones. but i'll make it more angry then
Yeah, i'll start beedril.
don't forget to answer my question about uploading.

 

[Yixx]

Ah yea, almost forgot!
I think you should upload them! The Hive could use some more Pkmn models, but since they have no decay/bone animation, idk,,
My opinion: Upload, but i dont know if they will approve it without bone/decay anim =\

 

[HappyCockroach]

I have a little trouble with Beedrill's wings. I used the faerie dragon texture, but it doesn't seem to look ok. (this is just a draft wrap)
which filter is most acceptable?

 

[Yixx]

I think Additive is best,,
But i have been searching, and you might also use one of those textures: (just a suggestion)
Textures\Clouds8x8Fade.blp
Textures\Coulds8x8Fire.blp
Textures\clouds_anim_bw.blp
Textures\Dust3.blp
Textures\Dust3_Thunder.blp
Textures\Dust3x.blp
Textures\Dust5.blp
Textures\Dust6.blp

Just some suggestions =P,, but if you wanna use that one, use the Additive filter in my opinion,,

 

[thedeathunterxx]

my favorite pokemon is.....

MALOMIOTISMON !!!

o wait, thats digimon, haha nevermind

naa but seriously, my favorite pokemon are definetly gyardos and charizard and dragonite : D

 

[Yixx]

Then you get Dragonite =D
Cause Gyarados is already Wazzz' favorite, and Kimpakim7 has Charizard (though i am not sure he is still on the team, since no contribution has been given so far)

@ HappyCockRoach, can you now finish the Signature? Cause that would be awesim! >:]
Kabutops - Yixx
Garyados - Wazzz
Cubone - HFR
Darkxs - Haunter
Lord of Sausage - Kanghaskhan (dont really know how to spell it =P)
thedeathunterxx - Dragonite
HappyCockRoach - Persian

That should be the whole team =)
(Kimpakim7 is left aside for the reason above)

 

[Wazzz]

I don't know, Modulate 2x seems to be the best to me

Speaking of the signature, it makes me think... we haven't heard much more from Darkxs, have we? I thought he was making icons for us, but I haven't seen any more of them. Why is this?

 

[HappyCockroach]

I dunno, a big part of this team didn't contribute much
the ones who are takin it seriously are
first of all Yixx, of course, I am, Wazzz, HFR, it seems lord_of_sausage helps u out with triggering and etc, but the others are as helpful as people outside the team
its a shame Darksz isnt showin up, we could use many icons...
i hope this signature is definitive...

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about the suggestion, ill take a look at these particles, although i doubt they can look like wings

 

[mango]

Hey guys,
just saw what you all were doin and wanted to say I think it's AWESOME. We really need a good pokemon map after 13lur gave up on his... actually I started my own, but it's on a long (possibly permanent) break.

anyway, I was interested in what model you were using for Scyther? He's my favorite pokemon, and he was one that I had a lot of trouble with in my map.

Keep up the good work!

 

[HappyCockroach]

Probably a custom model, my friend, with satyr animations i suppose...
ant thanks for the positive feedback

EDIT: hey hey

Is it too big for signatures?

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EDIT: OOPS!!! it is too big.



This one is great to be put at the end of the first post though!

here is a smaller and shittee version, cuz to do it I should trick a shareware program so the ''DEMO'' thingy disappears, and it takes a bunch of effort, like doing print screens overtime, pasting, converting to GIF's, indexing efficiently, etc etc etc

this one is hard to be read =[

 

[HFR]

Nice sig! Anyway, Yixx, if you are in a house models needings, I can post a link here of some houses models if you want.

Model time! Let me show my pokemons.

Hope you like my searching!

 

[Yixx]

The third sig (the middle size one) is still too big =(
Check my sig, i put it in there (and linked it to first page of this Thread! >=] )
But now we cant see any names anymore =P
Could you fix that, or do i just resize it to the desired size?

 

[Wazzz]

Lol, I find it funny how the only name I can see ATM is HappyCockroach >.<

I can barely see Kanghaskan or Dragonite, too

I remember knowing someone who loved Persian. They used it in a Pokemon save to the extent of getting it to like lvl 50 before the League (this was in Gold/Silver). Using the Pay Day, they were getting a lot of extra money lol.

And don't forgot, my name has 3 z's (Wazzz), not 2 >.<. Plz fix this. Don't mean to sound picky, but it's like spelling Yixx with one x (Yix), or HFR with 3 letters cut out ( ).

 

[Shendoo2]

I have a couple things to mention.

- How will this game work out with multiple people? because the start of the pokemon game work out?

 

[Wazzz]

...what?

I'm confused as to what you are asking. The only thing I can think of to say that may answer your question is that (in risk of repeating myself once again) there will be the single player campaign thing that you make progress in and the multiplayer map where your progress will be transferred across. Other than that, your question leaves me impotent.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Lol, I find it funny how the only name I can see ATM is HappyCockroach >.<

I can barely see Kanghaskan or Dragonite, too

I remember knowing someone who loved Persian. They used it in a Pokemon save to the extent of getting it to like lvl 50 before the League (this was in Gold/Silver). Using the Pay Day, they were getting a lot of extra money lol.

And don't forgot, my name has 3 z's (Wazzz), not 2 >.<. Plz fix this. Don't mean to sound picky, but it's like spelling Yixx with one x (Yix), or HFR with 3 letters cut out ( ).

cmon give me a break its a coincidence that my name appears, ur always discussing about things like that "My name should appear first.", "I'm the most hardworking guy after Yixx". you may be kidding, but its just like that.
actually ur name, for some unknown reason, is the second one to appear
dont answer this or we will begin an off-topic stupid discussion

yeah, your name. dammit, im gonna fix it, Ill try to start over the signature, so it covers more width, and less height

 

[Wazzz]

Lol, 'tis but jokes. That's it for my response to that.

What model you working on now, though? I mean after the sig, of course. It's Butterfree, isn't it? Would that be hard to do, or really easy? And what about (now I look at the sig) Kanghaskan? Would he be hard to do?

I have a vision for this map. I feel that with your models, we could make this map look more like a 3D Pokemon game than anyone ever has for Warcraft 3. And (I know you don't like thinking about it, so might I suggest not thinking? Lol) with the Gold/Silver Pokemon, we would have the capability to take this map as far as we need to in order to make it the best damn Pokemon mod ever!

 

[HappyCockroach]

visions and plans. i think we got through this stage long ago. at least i did. you can start concrete work.
if concepts are your task, start ability concepts, we can use the pokemon moves:
Legendary Pokmon - Pokdex: Info | Bulbasaur
here you will find a database with all the moves. i suggest u to keep only their names and uses, and try doing them the most fun and dynamic as possible

about gold/silver... no comments. this is madness, or a single-player map.
unless you compress the models to 50% size

btw im working on beedrill. but this weekend i wont have much time to work on it.

 

[HFR]

I liked the sig, very much, it's still has it's problems, but you can fix it... But... The annoying part is that it TAKE AGES TO LOAD COMPLETELY!

 

[Wazzz]

Interesting link, Cockroach, but have you checked out Bulbapedia? That's where (I think, anyway) we're getting ability ideas from.

Also, I'm not sure how the battle system will work. I think it will be somewhat like a combination of the classic gameboy Pokemon games and the Pokemon Stadium (In other words, a flashier, 3D version of it), so I think we'd be keeping the classic battle system, only with more eye candy

As for the madness. I'm manager. I'm a mad man. I like to envision the best potential for everything, and will go straight for it. However, we must keep in mind that we'll be getting no where without the fundamentals. So, we start with the Pokemon Red models. Once they are all done, you can take a break. After such a break, I'll PM you asking if you feel ready to do some more modelling. The rest is up to you.

As for the madness, I feel comfortable in my own insanity. And people like my visions. The only trick is fullfiling them.

 

[HFR]

I think we would be lucky if we finish this map until Doomsday (Starcraft 2 launch)...

 

[Wazzz]

Lol, well, I'd rather finish this after Doomsday with it being complete rather than post an unfinished, wannabe mod just for the sake of getting it done

Do you mean to say that people will forget Warcraft modding and move on to Starcraft 2? Cause there will be some limitations in Starcraft 2 in terms of modding, I believe (no hero units, for one )

 

[HFR]

Well, about 30 - 40 % of the Wc3 players will change for SC II...

Back to the topic, let's think of our first map/campaign with the standard 100 - 150 pokes. Then we will think of the second.

And HC don't need to make all the models because:

1 - Yixx already mentioned in the first posts that he'll don't gonna make all the pokemons, just about... 100...

2 - WC3 has lots of good models we can use as pokemons, like the modified-floating-heightned rock golem for the geodude.

 

[deathreaven]

I'll still play W3

 

[HFR]

Me too, but after SC II, Wc3 will slowy die... It's the cycle of the games, and Wc3, even being insanely strong, will fall, and we can't do anything about it...

 

[Wazzz]

Well, think about it. There are still many people who play the original Starcraft. Hell, it's a national sport in Korea! They get personal trainers for it and everything, but that's neither here nor there. The point is, even old games live on, and I think Warcraft has such a huge fan-based mod community that it will live on. Even WoW didn't stop Warcraft.

 

[HFR]

Well, I guess you're right...

Anyway, I have to do my job now so this is an ultimatum!

All the custom doodads you need

Here is, 4 pages full of all the top quality houses, trees, crops, and everything that don't have in the WE.

More 600 doodads you can use

Right, almost 3 full pages of doodads.

 

[Yixx]

omg! That is awesome!
And i think Warcraft will get less attention now, but still it will be played and modded, though it will decrease modding/playing members greatly in the beginning, and keep on decreasing,, but look at Call of Duty, there are still people who play CoD 1!
WC3 will not just die, even if almost all people stop playing it, there will still be people who keep on playing, just because 'It is Warcraft!'

Finaly big study week is over and time for WC3 mod is coming (not fully there yet -.- ),,
still got some work to do,, but the biggest part is over,,

And i got a bit of a phucked up problem, when trying to battle, the Pokemanz spawn at the center of the map, so my cam is on the battlefield, and when i try to run there is a spot in the black minimap right at the middle =P
I gots to figure out why but ill manage that! =P

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

If you use something like "Position of (unit)" and then wait before you place it, it bugs i think.

Can't remmember it 100% but i experienced something like that once.

So, what i think is:

Dont use

Wait X seconds
Unit - Move Unit X to position of triggerign unit.

i think...

 

[Yixx]

found it! I tried to set a position which there wasnt! =P
I think i'm going t optimize the Battle system (especially the AI) for the Demo
Set the Attacks, and Generate them,,
Then i think i need to make the Gym,,
And then probably there is quite some more to do! =P

EDIT: Help needed! I dont knwo what tile to use for the hometown! =(
The path between houses and where you walk on is now like a city,
But it is certainly not a village, it is a little town, but when i try to use Dirt, or Grassy Dirt it looks bad,
Also when i use stones it is even worse!
Any help? =(
These are the tiles i use, and i rather not change them:

 

[Wazzz]

Make the level for the best unit of the first Gym Leader something like lvl 13 so that there's plenty of room to increase levels as we go through regions and such

The AI... how will you make the AI prefer to use super-effective attacks? That's a tad tricksy

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

I would say Cobble or stone path, but they might be too village-like.

 

[Yixx]

Major question for everybody:
I totaly hate the Grass blizzard cliff! I never use it, and i never intend to use it!
So i am thinking of totaly changing the tileset to replace the Grass cliff with Snow cliff,, This will give a better snow tile, and i can use a nicer Dirt tile, cause the one now is too dark in my opinion,,

So: What do you think:
1. Replace the Grass cliff with Snow (and maybe cause an extreme suck terrain and have to redo alot)
2. just keep it this way with sucky grass cliff which will never be used and could be used alot better?
3. Use a custom texture to turn Grass into Ice, and use an other grass tile for Grass

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

4. Dont use grass cliff, but raised terrain with pathing blockers

I vote for 4

 

[Yixx]

Yeah i wont use any grass cliffs at al,, but i want to use Snow cliffs if possible for the Mountain!

 

[Darkxs]

Hello everybody on our crew!

Yixx I think you should replace the tileset with something like this:

As for the cliff thing I agree with Lord_of_sausage...

 

[Yixx]

Yeah, but the snow tile takes 2 places, right? And the snow is a Cliff tile, right?
If not, then i think there is no problem,, and i am just really blind
But i think i could use the Grass cliff better then, cause now it is only useless tile,, ya the grass is used, but the cliff aint!

 

[HFR]

Heightened mountains and hills are your best friends in elevated terrains. Forget the blizz cliffs, they sucks, and most mods an users think that too.

The cobble and stone path are really village like, and using the stone tiles for an path is an bad idea. And, remember, the Lordaeron Summer tileset is the

Worst Tileset Ever!

It has an bad, and too "happy" collors, an bad choice. Good grass tilesets are mainly, the Ashenvale and some Village grass and dirts.

 

[Yixx]

I think, as i see all the comments, the mountain is gonna be heightened terrain and pathing blockers,,

But for the snow, there is no nice snow tile that is a non-cliff tile! Only ice!

 

[HFR]

You can use an Northrend or L. Winter tile, or download an custom tileset.