Phase Killer -1.1.2-

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16:57, 26th Jul 2008
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[self="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/758026-post46.html"]Review[/self].

 

[Mike951]

I've played an earlier version of this map and liked it very much. New additions in this update (or official release?) sound great.

 

[VegnagunMech]

I just hosted this map and it was awesome. And the music adds to the suspense.

 

[knight26]

OMG i totally agree..!! i just hosted it too OMG the music choice IS LUVELY!! xD
I like, i love the map.. :D i didnt found an bugs though :SS:

 

[Dark.Revenant]

Thanks for the positive feedback, guys! This version is a beta; the map was recently moved from alpha, as the bulk of the item hunting problem (the final major issue) was destroyed with a well-tuned cluster spawning system.

 

[DrazharLn]

One of the most impressive things about this map is the polish. Even your description here is well written and informative, as it should be. There were no glaring spelling errors, colour was used well in tooltips, all the tooltips were present etc etc.
Other things I liked: the chat system, the garbled ghosts, the item system, and the differences between the two [three?] worlds.

There were some things that I didn't like, for instance, it was sometimes hard to tell which world I was in, the Beast had an ability called antiphase that was a bit strange. The beast also seemed to lose health all the time regardless of which realm I was in. When I used an ability on a unit, I stopped attacking and I then had to manually attack again. This was a pain as it's quite hard to catch the fast moving enemies.
The items also cast strange shadows on the ground, it might be best to just remove those.

However, for style and polish, I'll give this a 4/5

 

[Undeadsteak]

4/5


Pretty good game.

 

[Charskir]

Cool map

5/5

 

[Dark.Revenant]

There were some things that I didn't like, for instance, it was sometimes hard to tell which world I was in, the Beast had an ability called antiphase that was a bit strange. The beast also seemed to lose health all the time regardless of which realm I was in. When I used an ability on a unit, I stopped attacking and I then had to manually attack again. This was a pain as it's quite hard to catch the fast moving enemies.
The items also cast strange shadows on the ground, it might be best to just remove those.

Antiphase is just the opposite of Phase; it channels mana in the normal world rather than channeling mana in the aetherworld. I can add a few more graphical effects to differentiate the worlds, so don't worry about that. The health degeneration for the Phase Killer is something that I'm changing; instead of all the forms degenerating health, only the advanced/specialized forms will have it. Item shadows are just part of WarCraft III; I can't remove them.

The Phase Killer abilities menu is something that I'm hoping to change. Right now, it's an annoying bother, so I'm trying to think of ways to completely replace it with something more worthwhile.

 

[DrazharLn]

Well, I could see the difference between the worlds visually, but the description, that was otherwise excellent throughout the rest of the game, failed here. What do you mean that it channels the mana differently? Does the beast just get mana in one and not the other? I also noticed that the beast moves much more slowly in antiphase, was there a reason for this?

 

[Dark.Revenant]

In the normal world and the omniworld, movement speed is how it should be. In the aetherworld, the movment speed is set to a solid 400, regardless of your normal movement speed.

 

[DrazharLn]

So antiphase is just like the normal world?

I probably sound dumb, but I'm just trying to get a few things clarified.

 

[adnan3]

just so you know darkrevenant theres an fake map on epicwar.com thats fucking buged, you cant change back if you take another persons shape, anyway the map is rly good and you sure must ahd put alot of time on it gj

 

[Dark.Revenant]

My friend put that version on epicwar. I didn't upload it here because it had a bad glitch with changing identities. The next version will have that fixed.

All right, it's updated. Approval in the near future?

 

[TurboJyri]

Rated 4/5 because PhaseKillers Name/Color change hotkey was ESC. It sucks hard, cause you cant cancel channelling ect. spells with esc. And you need to click with mouse to close spell books. I just played it and lost ~4 power points because of stupid ESC hotkey. Just give him ability what to click in order to change color... Wont play / host this untill that hotkey is changed.

 

[Procyon]

As of the latest version of Phase Killer (0.1.1c) the Phase Killer's abilities have been changed to item slots to prevent conflict with the escape key, and to avoid further trouble while activating the abilities. An alternative to cancel spell channeling could be to use the hold key (hotkey H) to stop any given unit order.

If you have any other suggestions or comments, please feel free to post them here.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

There are some bugs that can't be fixed.

 

[TurboJyri]

As of the latest version of Phase Killer (0.1.1c) the Phase Killer's abilities have been changed to item slots to prevent conflict with the escape key, and to avoid further trouble while activating the abilities. An alternative to cancel spell channeling could be to use the hold key (hotkey H) to stop any given unit order.

If you have any other suggestions or comments, please feel free to post them here.

But you cant use hold position while Spell Book is open.

 

[rover2341]

Great game.

But, Still a bit hard to learn recipes for me. My Brother seemed to have no problem at all.

Edit:

Suggestion:

Time limet for killer to kill everyone.

-roll. command (1-100)

Why?
Games go on forever some times...

We end up drawing straws for who will live when we all get sick of not knowing who's it and decide the person with the lowest number we will all att..

 

[Dark.Revenant]

-Make combinations to create traps, ones you place on the ground and watch someone step over incase your followed.
-There should be two different options for the phase killer, you should be able to change, voice, or color. So when the player is accused, he doesnt have to switch back to his original color to deny it, he could just change his voice.

There already are a couple traps. Read the survival guide...

Changing the identity is always an acceptable risk while being the Phase Killer. No power is used when changing back, luckily. However, if someone accuses you, he is one of the two:
1. He is just accusing people in the spur of the moment, thus if you are delayed in your reaction he won't take much action against you.
2. He already made up his mind; nothing you do will stop him from attacking you.

That being said, I'll experiment with a colored voice feature in the next version...

 

[Trenix_Decease]

There already are a couple traps. Read the survival guide...

Changing the identity is always an acceptable risk while being the Phase Killer. No power is used when changing back, luckily. However, if someone accuses you, he is one of the two:
1. He is just accusing people in the spur of the moment, thus if you are delayed in your reaction he won't take much action against you.
2. He already made up his mind; nothing you do will stop him from attacking you.

That being said, I'll experiment with a colored voice feature in the next version...

Actually I take back both of those suggestions.. its good the way it is. If I come across anything else I'll be sure to let you know.

 

[EmawWyvern]

the terrain its self kicks ass 5/5

 

[Dark.Revenant]

Weird, the hiveworkshop in-game minimap picture doesn't match up with the actual updated in-game minimap.

Wyvern, I take it that you're talking about the NEW terrain that was put in the latest version just a couple hours ago? The old terrain was smaller and not as good...

Edit: Ok seriously whats with these people that vote 1/5 and 2/5 without even posting a comment?

 

[knight26]

Edit: Ok seriously whats with these people that vote 1/5 and 2/5 without even posting a comment?

They are the ''Cool'' people : )

 

[Trenix_Decease]

Some Suggestions

-=Ghost Chat=-
Ghosts shouldn't be able to talk in global chat. They always bypass the "-" system that is suppose to keep them somewhat quiet, by massing their message. I believe they should only be able to use the close to player chat by using the "-" button. This will allow the phase killer to basicly take lives, by turning into that player and taking their items. The way it is now, turning into a dead player is a very stupid idea. Of course it'd still be a risky decision because the ghost can still find players on the map and tell them who they really were.

-=Pit Ability=-
Players should be able to create a invisible pit. This would be a hole in the ground, covered by leaves. It's used as a storage for players, so they can create a sort of base where they can go to and combine items, and drop em off. This would cut the timing of killing another player, because once you use up all your items on a player, you're off to find more.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

I'll pass on the second one. The first one I've been thinking about for a long time... I won't make a decision about that, though, until the current numerous fatal glitches and problems with this map are fully fixed. This may NEVER happen.

 

[Incredible FX]

ok I might sound like a noob im trying to make a war map or dota map I did spawns, revive and others but one more thing that im stuck on I was hopeing you guys help me I saw other dota maps have like win by destroying Main castle 63 <gen> and it was a variable please tell me how he did that!!!!

 

[Dark.Revenant]

The above post is completely out of place. This is a Phase Killer discussion, not your attempt at learning how a crappy DotA rip-off map works.

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

I didnt found any Arcanum yet, I guess it's one of the recipies on the **** (spoiler cut out). What I think is that Omni is too easy too reach, I got it in 15 minutes. But I guess wehn you know all recipies ('cept of Arcanum T.T) it is easy. One question: Is the -Spoiler cut out-Sword a joke or so? It costs alot of time and its really crappy in my point of view

 

[Trenix_Decease]

Suggestions...

-=Draw Weapon=-

We should be able to click the weapon to draw it, sort of like how you put on armor. And of course... clicking it again would withdraw it.

-=Armor & Weapon Storage=-

You should be able to hold more then one armor and more then one weapon in your inventory. You have to click to equip them anyway, so why cant you hold em? This would allow players to be able to use what they want, and when they want. Also, this would allow the phase killer to hold 2 sets of armor, and 2 sets of weapons so he could draw out the ones he needs to imitate another player.

-=Phaser Balancement=-

I realized that being a phaser is actually a disadvantage. As a human you are able to create a phase sphere that allows you to go back and forth in worlds without draining mana in the Aetherworld. So if you think about it a human is a better phaser then an actual phaser. It's pratically a phaser with no mana drain and 1 more open inventory slot. Yes, its true a human has to visit the Aetherworld to even create that sphere, but out of all the games I've played, an Aetherworld portal always opened up eventually. Also, it's harder becoming a phaser then a human, so shouldnt the phaser be better? There definitly needs to be some balancement... My opinion in fixing this balancement is either opening up all the phasers slots or removing the mana drain that you get in the Aetherworld.

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

Using the Phase Sphere costs 50 mana, so you have 3 shifts, but the phaser can do this as long as he wants, so who is better? =P

 

[Trenix_Decease]

It's the same thing with the phaser, he is limited because of the amount of energy he has, it takes the phaser's mana by 50 each time he uses it. Not only that but phaser has a energy drain in the Aetherworld, and phase sphere doesnt. So if you think about it, a human will always be the superior race. Which is stupid because a phaser should definitly have the benefit since it's harder becoming one.

 

[Incredible FX]

sorry about the phase killer thingy But I really need help

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

The ability Phase costs an excact amount of 0 mana to activate. One comment: LoL l2p

 

[Trenix_Decease]

Hmm I guess I didnt notice that, but still a phaser is limited in the Aetherworld. Humans are not. In that case phasers should at least have a full inventory like a human.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

A phaser + phase shere = infintely more powerful than a human + phase sphere. Srsly.

 

[qkrtjdwls]

The fact that the beings in Aether can see the beings in Real World, while the being in Real World can't see the beings in Aether does not make sense. Should make it "unseeable" in both directions. (this would/could? also make the game more entertaining? in its own way...)

The ghosts should be unable to talk globally for 1 minute after they are dead, and if the killer take's their identity during that 1 minute time period, then the ghost should remain muted until the killer changes his identity. This would make it much easier for the "Killer" to pretend to be some other player.

(Dun think u would add this one but)
I think it would be better if theres multiple dimensions that you can normally phase into.

Bug: I dunno if u fixed this bug yet or not, so I will mention it here. In 0.2.0c map, an item sometimes never seem to spawn, or cease to spawn after a certain point. I once had a game where NO ONE was able to find a RX to combine with Marble to create an enchant stone.

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

Not a bug just random unluck. And it is reasonable that aetherworld beings can see normal world beings and not the other way round (You can see the phase killer btw) It's a bit like the window in a examination room. Its only possible to see the other side while ur outside.

 

[Trenix_Decease]

A phaser + phase shere = infintely more powerful than a human + phase sphere. Srsly.

We are both viewing it at different angles. You believe that running away gives you power, I believe having the equipment gives you power. Phasers extremely weak without a full inventory, seriously.. phasers cant even kill a human, let alone a phase killer. All they could do is throw objects and run. Then again it is your game, do as you want. You gotta understand that I take my time to figure whats unbalanced, but if you choose not to listen then I'll choose not to look for your mistakes. Good luck...

 

[Dark.Revenant]

You have to understand the game isn't meant to be a "you're on your own" type of game. Obviously, there is a bit of distrust due to the Phase Killer being out and about, but the only way to win is to work together. Humans are best for fighting and phasers are best for chasing/running/making items.

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

Rift Bomb+ Dynamite + Molotov Cocktail + Net + Phase = GG Human

 

[Fires-of-War]

Bug found

Yo dark.revenant@azeroth, i found a bug in your game while playing it (yes the newest version), the glitch is that while equipping or unequipping heavy armor (i didnt try with the other armors so i dont know if its the same with those) if u click on an item to pick it up b4 it finishes equipping or unequipping then all items in your inventory except for the armor disappear. Hope you fix that, its a good map otherwise.

 

[Dark.Revenant]

I really have no idea why that would happen, Fires-of-War. It must be a Warcraft III bug, because all of the item transactions are done in the instant the cast time finishes. Picking up an item should either not do anything or at least cancel the cast. The fact that it doesn't cancel is weird.

At least you kept your armor, otherwise you would have been boned.

 

[kewlthis]

I didnt like this map. there are tons of items lying on groun and no idea what they do. After roles assigned still no idea what to do. More info for newbies needed!

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

Reading books never harmed someone. And really, what do you think will Matches do? Or Torches?

 

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[woxx]

Great!

I just tested the map and it seems great in all ways! The background music is great as well, like the terrain and spells. Love It

 

[chenlimin]

I got this bug as killer that I can't change form,many times, the nearest was using verison 0.2.5 playing online, the other times using 0.2.5b is mainly on single player, will test it using 0.2.5b in muti player

 

[Dark.Revenant]

Not a bug. You were out of power (where gold should be). Anyway, don't worry about that anymore. Forms are handled much differently now.