Orc Slave Driver

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

Thats the latest model i am making...
He has a whip in his hand and will be smoking a cigar with the other hand!
I plan to add dreadlocks aswell!

C&C welcome!

 

[dansaDisco]

Looks nice, yet I don't really like the feet :/

 

[Tauer]

Ooh, I like!! Very nice, can't wait to see it with skin!

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

*update*

I added:
dreads, cigar, kilt, shoulderpads and boots

I fixed:
some rezising of the feet

I made a quick paintover to vizualise some stuff a bit better!

 

[-ALPHA-]

His arms look kinda chubby/stubby to me..
Lovin that cigar though!

 

[dansaDisco]

nice. this seems to progress well

 

[Tauer]

Love it!
Not too fond of the cigar though. Doesn't seem very warcraftish if you ask me.

 

[Hawkwing]

Ughh. Hate the kilt. That's not Orcish at all.

 

[A.R.]

Ughh. Hate the kilt. That's not Orcish at all.

Nonsense! He absolutely needs a 'moon the English' spell animation!

On a serious note though, it's too high poly for anything but a gluescreen model; it won't fit in at all with the other ingame models.

 

[-ALPHA-]

I seem to remember seeing concept art of Kilrogg Deadeye with a kilt... Or was it from Dawn of Chaos previews...

 

[Tauer]

Wouldn't exactly call it a kilt.

Anyways, I probably wouldn't give it a kilt texture either. As Hawkwing said it's not very orcish.

 

[JokeMaster]

The kilt and the cigaro doesn't pass

 

[Hawkwing]

The shape is fine, don't get me wrong, as long as there are none of that silly pattern on it. Also, the cigar is just more unnecessary polies.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

well, i do know thats i way to high poly...
but i find it easier to first model high poly and then reduce the polycount, as i feel to have more influence on the edgeloops then!
and i used a very high poly blueprint as backgorund to get the meshflow right.

well, i thought to make the kilt teamcolour...
But noone posted an alternative...

But i have something in mind (though that is going to have much polies aswell -.-)

and i'll see about the cigar...
because i do realise that its going to be really hard to get all the smoke and animated glowing texture and animations coordinated right

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

*bump*

major update:
-reduced polycount
-deleted the cigar
-made the unwrap (omfg, it took all of yesterday -.-')
-changed the shoulder pad

And i made a quick drawover on the wireframe...

 

[dansaDisco]

looks VERY nice IMO.

 

[Hawkwing]

Lookin' good. Is that whip actually cylindric? If so, there are alternatives to making it have less polygons and look essentially the same.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

well, the whip is a cylinder, yes, and i do know that there are low polier wersions possible, but i think these few wont hurt that much...

*update*

meh, i hate texturing...
i never got the hang of it, but i'm still trying!
many thanks go out to Jarand.K.Hildestadt, who took the time and answered the questions i had about skinning.
Please dont be too harsh -_-
Well, be honest!

It took me like... 5 hours or sumthing

 

[dansaDisco]

Outlines of the muscles looks just fine, but you need to shade the rest of the stuff as well, pick a very dark tone of the color you're working with, put the brush opacity to 5% and start going over the bodyparts with it, then pick a light version of your base color and do the same on other areas.
You can look at images like this
http://www.criticalbench.com/muscles/muscular-anatomy-front.jpg
for reference if you're not sure on how you should shade it.
Just google "muscle reference" or something like that.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

i already tried to shade it -.-'

i have 4 layers of shading, 2 shadows, 2 highlights....
and i'm using a darker color, but i use the layerotion "copy together"

where was this pic when i needed it -.-'
It would definatly been handy....

 

[-ALPHA-]

His right shoulder looks boxy...
Nice hair though!

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

i mean, you can see i already shaded everything related to the skin on the texture...

 

[Hawkwing]

Well, the highlights are incredibly weak and the shadows aren't smooth at all. They're so sharp and sudden.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

*update*

well, i did how i was said, i hope its at least relativly okay...
i dont want to make any bigger changes (other than painting the rest aswell), as i am demotivated otherwise!

 

[Hawkwing]

...Better...

 

[dansaDisco]

...But not good (imo, seen worse though :s)...

 

[Hawkwing]

The outline of the muscles is just so sharp and defined. Make it smoother and appear more gradually. I would post anatomy picture, but I don't want to turn this into a page filled with man-p0rn. This happened to one of my threads once.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

well, everything that helps me is humbly taken by me!
you know, it really took me 2 years to at least come this far, as actually almost no one posts and comments on my threads...

but i fear that the skin will get washed up...
but meh, your the boss hawk, i'll smooth it even more!
Whats up with the rest then?

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

*bump*

update:

I guess I'm done with the skin...
At least for now, as I am growing tired of skinning...
And everything else, buts I wont stop, no worry!
It's still taking sooo long damm it!

Am I too slow?

Well, I will step foward to animation now, maybe I'll revisit the skin some other day!
Or does anyone else feel like giving it a little touch up? *pointing at hawkwing*

 

[Craka_J]

What Needs To Be Fixed

Here's a list of what needs to be fixed:

• Make the wrists thinner.
• Give him a big toe - it'll make the foot look way better. To make it look like it's in the boot, don't make a gap between the big toe and other toes. Just make it a swelled part of the boot, pretty much, but you know it's a big toe.
• Maybe give him a thicker neck.
• His head is larger than it should be, but still looks cool and is hard to fix so nevermind that.
• His eyes are way too wide. They're reaching the sides of his head it looks like. Make them less wide (a little before the brow is where they should end) and he won't look like an Asian.
• I hope the texture is a W.I.P. - there's no detail in it at all, or rather, the lines you've drawn that define the muscles are way too dark. Hopefully it's to help you improve the texture later on. Otherwise I suggest you improve the texture a LOT or get a new texture artist.

 

[~Void~]

The neck is too long for an orc, and the chest/shoulders should be a little bigger.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

i changed all the stuff you told me about last night, but didnt export the new mesh, still i wanted to show the texture progress, i hope its more to your liking now, still i dont really like the shading, its just trial and error i guess as i never ever really sat down and tried to skin seriously...


(hive's upload doesnt work, so -> imageshack)

 

[Hawkwing]

Much better! You're getting the hang of it now. The shadows are much too dark though.

 

[dansaDisco]

Look at the skin I am working on ATM, compare the way I've made the shadows to how yours look

But you're definitely improving!

 

[Linaze]

Yeah, the shadows are definately too dark. But the rest of the skin looks approvable, I guess.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

texture update:


thx to acc
(http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=106505)
smoothing colors is so easy now!
or do you think its too blurry?

 

[Fingolfin]

A really great way to get that warcraft-ish sharpness is to use filter>sharpen>smart sharpen (in photoshop). I would even bet that is how blizzard does it.

 

[Hawkwing]

That would be useful in some cases, but he is getting closer to the shading he needs, and that would just pull him farther away.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

*update*

i improved the shading a lot...
i hope its okay now and i can move on?
(i didnt finish all skin parts yet, i know that there are some areas not reshaded yet, still i mean when i updated everything like that would it be okay enough?)

 

[Hawkwing]

It's pretty good on the arms now. The shadows are still pretty sharp on the torso and legs though. Also, the amount of highlights is a lot less on the arms and legs than the torso.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

I would add dirt/grime/scratches/veins/hair/skin texture/bumps/warts/rust. I'm not a experienced texture guy though...

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

It's pretty good on the arms now. The shadows are still pretty sharp on the torso and legs though. Also, the amount of highlights is a lot less on the arms and legs than the torso.

so more highlighting on the arms and legs or less on the torso?
and the legs are darker ecause of the skirt!

hmm...
i dont know about the skin structure...
compared to the normal grunt even this is way too detailed already!


*bump*
another update, this time torso and arms should be done, face is still wip!

 

[Elfsilver Lord]

Dude, that's a sick model.
Here's a suggestion for the texture. On the torso, take a very small and scratchy brush with high opacity and draw some scars with an extremely light tint of aqua-green. Then, just apply a little bit of shading around the scar using yellow-green to make add altitude and texture. You may want to use scratchy brushes for the shading too, or just trace the outline with a dark forest green (near black) over the scar, then highlight the very center with white and a 1 px brush. It should also add variety to the skintone, which is always great if well blended.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

well, the problem is the the torso is mirrored, hence if I paint a scar on one side it'll appear on the other side aswell...

though thx for the instruction, thats really what i need (this type of it...)

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

*bump*

thx to the great tutorial section i got around making the armour bits..
c&c and rep welcome

 

[Kwaliti]

I like how this turned out. What mostly bugs me is the muscle definition. Can you make those black lines a bit softer and lighter on the torso, mostly on the abs and the sides? It looks to me like he's wearing green padding or something

 

[FlowerofSpeech]

Hah, in the map I'm working on, I have an orc prison camp with peons doing hard labor :9, seems appropriate I'd find a slave master model.

The progress from start to finish shows how far along you've come and I must say it's very good, the texture is coming along nice though the only thing I need to see to give it a premature 5/5 is a good whip animation (am I the only one who thinks animating a whip is going to be difficult?)

 

[Trillium]

his face is a bit not-orcish... more like ugly human
also needs more shading

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

thx for the kind words!

i tried to trim down the shadows a bit, its more to your liking now?

good to hear that its going to be used by someone!
dont worry, i'll get it animated properly...


would you be a bit more specific? which parts of the face should i change and how?


*update*
completely did the skirt and all leather parts!
i think i'm done with texturing, maybe i'll add a bit of shading here or there, but nothing big anymore!

 

[Kwaliti]

It looks awesome now. Keep going!