Orb Craft 0.2.3 AI

[wh1pl4sh]

I did add some new ideas ftw...
anyway, what do you think about the idea of making a special orb determined by your chosen hero?

 

[KYTON]

Its okay but I don't even have enough recipe orb models...nevermind models for every hero...that's 4 extra

Post 2:

Theres a bug with the new version you can't play full house will fix as soon as possible (within 30 min)

Fixed...sorry about that

POST 3:
I have received both very negative and positive feedback for adding heroes to the map? What is your opinions? Does the heroes promote a more fun gameplay or does it spoil the gameplay?

 

[wh1pl4sh]

IMO, addind more heroes defies the very idea of the map, just have two teams with different models no classes and all that junk, FFS the idea is to throw orbs, not team hero arena!!!!!!!

(same goes for spells)

 

[KYTON]

Have you even played the newest version, wh1pl4sh? Did you actually play it online pvp? And why should the game only focus on orbs? Why not break a few rules along the way?

Bottom line is there is thousands of maps out there doing just that : Throw Orbs or whatever....Why not make a game that is actually unique and fun....which is why people play a map more than once.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

Have you even played the newest version, wh1pl4sh?

yes, I have.

Did you actually play it online pvp?

yes, I have played it online.

And why should the game only focus on orbs? Why not break a few rules along the way?

My opinion on ^^: all the spells and items, for me, takes the fun out of the game. Instead of being a nice, fun MINI-game, it becomes an intricate, complicated map where you need to know item/spell/orb combinations in order to play against more frequent players of this map.

And then including heroes, each with it's own set of abilities, different attributes, adds even more combinations to the game. Now, you have to take in consideration each hero, his/her items, spells and orbs.

(On a side note: what does an archer do in a orb throwing map shooting arrows?)

Bottom line is there is thousands of maps out there doing just that : Throw Orbs or whatever....Why not make a game that is actually unique and fun....

The unique has no problems whatsoever, it's the fun factor that's bothering me. IMO, it's not much fun when it's basicly a hero arena with a few added features to make it more "unique" than other maps of the same kind.

These said features can also hamper gameplay, as with buying items and spells you need more than 30sec to read and find the good items and spells, and most likely, you will need more than 1 game to find combinations that work well together.

which is why people play a map more than once.

Or not at all. It's fine to make it different, just don't make it hard on people who want to play it for fun, not competitively.

 

[KYTON]

Just by the way...I'm doubting if you actually played it...since if you did you would know that heroes only differ in their single bonus ability not sets....

You would also know that only their attribute gains differ not their attributes by itself which still allows a lot of versatility.

>(On a side note: what does an archer do in a orb throwing map shooting arrows?)
Use your imagination. She can shoot arrows and throw orbs? Or even shoot orbs? Its warcraft...

Also you have already stated that every feature I ever added is bad...so please when you have constructive comments they would be appreciated...but as you said to me via chat you don't give a dam about my orb arena map...don't give the appearance that you do care about it on forums.

I understand that you might think that the added heroes might make the game more complex, but so far I never had a case of someone did not understand the game after 3 minutes of gameplay in the rarest cases. Most people catch it almost immediately and start constructing their builds as soon as possible.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

Also you have already stated that every feature I ever added is bad...so please when you have constructive comments they would be appreciated...but as you said to me via chat you don't give a dam about my orb arena map...don't give the appearance that you do care about it on forums.

I understand that you might think that the added heroes might make the game more complex, but so far I never had a case of someone did not understand the game after 3 minutes of gameplay in the rarest cases. Most people catch it almost immediately and start constructing their builds as soon as possible.

I was in an important game and you wouldn't stop bugging me...

also, even though some people catch the items and ability stuff, there are loads that just throw orbs, and never buy items or abilities.

anyway, new idea:
Blink Orb:
When it explodes, you teleport to the orb's location (where it exploded)

 

[KYTON666]

As soon as my account get sorted out I'll update Orb Craft again

 

[KYTON]

About your blink orb, I think it would be quite kwl if that was actually a item

 

[wh1pl4sh]

lol yeah, but hat wouldn't be so fun as throwing an orb and appearing where it exploded!

 

[KYTON]

Yes...but all the orbs is offensive and it reminder me of the disk teleport thing in UT3...

 

[KYTON]

NEW UPDATE!

See changelog!

 

[wh1pl4sh]

blinkorb, don't have the time to download or play atm, did you add it?

 

[KYTON]

Read the changelog....please ...

Version 0.1.8

Damage deal is now displayed in text
Allies now deal 50% damage to other allies

Changed the models/theme of the heroes. No longer contain non-spellcasters
Nerfed all recipe orbs
All recipe orbs now only require 2 orbs instead of 3 to make
Added new Recipe Orbs: Phoenix Orb & Rune Orb
Added new Recipe Items : Tome of Black Magic, Darksteel Crown, Staff of Fire
Removed Talisman of Illusion
Added Talisman of the Archmagi

Renamed Darksteel Crown to Circlet
Increased Repell duration to 2 seconds
New mini-powerups : Haste & Invisibility
Reduced Wand of Lightning Shield lumber cost from 15 to 5
Reduced Orb of Lightnig Damage from 25 to 20 per bolt

POST 2:
I'm looking for ideas for :

1. Additional heroes
2. Recipe Items
3. Recipe Orbs (Which Orb + Which Orb = Your idea and what it does)
4. New Game modes

 

[KYTON]

PLEASE POST IDEAS FOR AN UPDATE ...I really don't know what to update....

 

[krisserz]

Heh there was no update for a loong time huh ;P

 

[KYTON]

Yes... Sorry ...But I really don't know what to update...any suggestions?

 

[FrozenFenrir]

hey kyton! long time no see =P
did u paused your CHAOS project...?
if u have no idea what u could update on this map u could take care of CHAOS again

 

[KYTON]

I have no idea what to update on chaos either....The problem with chaos is there is just too many systems....and somewhere there is some mayor problem causing some mayor leak of somekind and I have no idea where it might be.....

 

[FrozenFenrir]

hm...open a new thread and ask for some good bugfixers maybe =D
i guess there are some pretty good ones at thw

 

[-Stygian-]

Schweet! New version

 

[krisserz]

Hmm... You didn`t put changelog

 

[KYTON]

Ja I don't know what I changed...kinda lost track

 

[krisserz]

Heh

 

[wh1pl4sh]

lol stygian made a userbar, showoff.

add modes, perhaps? or something like a new arena, objectives, ctf?

 

[-Stygian-]

lol stygian made a userbar, showoff.

lol . . . the map got rejected by THW

Tho im working hard on the map so it can be flawless


OT : REMEMBER to remove friendly fire for the next version

 

[wh1pl4sh]

lol . . . the map got rejected by THW

Tho im working hard on the map so it can be flawless


OT : REMEMBER to remove friendly fire for the next version

why did it get rejected its awesome? biased
anyway, kyton reply to mine ideas rawr

 

[-Stygian-]

Needs better terrain, better tooltips, working hotkeys

Dont really know what is wrong with the terrain but im thinking of how i can improve that, working REALLY hard on tooltips (they are gna be awesum ) and i have no idea in hell what im gna do bout the hotkeys

 

[wh1pl4sh]

well, ask kyton about the hotkeys and terrain. just dont start with tooltips, they piss me off, never perfect theres always something kak about them.

 

[KYTON]

Dudes!.... Please send PM's next time....

Post 2 : Update : See Changelog...just fixed somethings that buged in version 1.9

 

[I3lackAce]

Boo?

 

[KYTON]

NEW UPDATE SEE CHANGELOG!!!!

I remade the harbinger map. It still needs some finishing touches with terraining, but the other harbinger map was just a mess....the newer map should be a lot better.

Also checkout the new hero. The spirit with the ability to swap positions.....

Edit : Some testing revealed that the Swap's hotkey is broken...Soz guys I'll fix it as soon as possible

 

[cowboyha]

Hey , I think the orb of arcana it too .....you know , if they have 2 orb then I can't do anything .I think you should fix the time turn into sheep a little shorter or else.My friend and everybody join the game only buy that orb , you know, then I think:" Where is the other orb?".

 

[KYTON]

Hey thanks man. Its been a long time since I did some balancing changes.

I'll reduce the duration and maybe the damage a bit aswell. Thanks.

 

[krisserz]

Heh, I always liked this map. Now I will make a short preview and then I will vote for approval. D-ling the map...

EDIT: Ok, so here is my preview:
+ Fun Gameplay
+ Well Done Map
+ Many Good ideas (Recipes for orbs, etc.)
+ No Errors
+ Good Descriptions
+ Working Hotkeys
+ Well Balanced
+ Generally Great Map!!!
+/- Not Really original idea, but from all this-kind maps I like this the most
- I couldn`t find any
- Or I found one: you can`t do many things new, because you have done pretty all, you could

Suggestion:
I think you should use this icon as DISBTN to orb of Force (in attached: little preview and .blp file)

Orb Craft is very good map. There are no bugs/errors/etc. The gameplay is good. It can keep you in fun for long minutes. Overall I vote this map 4/5 and vote for approval.

 

[KYTON]

Thanks man for your vote for approval! I'll use that icon in the next version as the Disbtn. Thanks.

Note:

Some bugs that MIGHT happen when you play:

There is however a bug which cause you to sometimes die at the end of timeout. Which happened to me in my last game once. I haven't been able to replicate it though. Another rare bug was one which prevented blizzard from the wizzard from working. This also happened only once and I haven't been able to replicate it nor have I an idea what could cause it. Finally, at the end of the game if people are revived they ain't paused (which is quite mayor so I'll work on this)

That's pretty much all the bugs I found and then the hotkey of Swap not working.

 

[cowboyha]

1.I'm glad I could help .I think with the idea of the map ,the more orbs to throw in this game,the more fun playing it .

2.I think maybe you create "orbs of element"(I can't suggest its affect right now) by add up 6 element orbs link fire , water , earth (I suggest It effect like earthquake skill ), Nature (I suggest it seffect is "bind" an enemy ),Lighting,Basic (I think you should have this orb , having a basic orb which only a little damage , no effect,but needed to make many another interested orbs is a good idea).With only 6 inventory slot, it's promised to be a strongest orbs .And I suggest more orbs will come with the next version .

3.Then , you know , when the game with too many orb ,I think with just only 6 slot of inventory is , you know , people have to choose item or orbs .Then I suggest you use the item (robe , staff ,skill) , by clicking on the item it become your skill , you can unlearn by a tomb , but no item return , then people just have to choose the item or skill wisely and concentrate about ORBS.I think an item block a spell with a long countdown is also good.

4.I know with too many orb , you can't spawn all of them on the map , then maybe , you know , only basic orbs(not orb of Basic , I leave its name to you ) spawn , then player must focus about conbined orbs to win.

That is my idea for this map now , maybe it's not concern in your idea about this map , but I like this map , and I think , you know , that I could help with my idea above.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

i like his idea of combining orbs to make better ones. but it would be quite irritating if you have one orb in your inventory and you pick up another orb you want to throw to get a kill or get out of trouble and the orbs meld to make another one.

perhaps each hero/mage should have a melding ability, which combines the orbs in, say, the top two inventory slots. just an idea >.<

 

[KYTON]

Yes might work.....but that would brake the flow of the game...currently recipe orbs are a lot stronger than normal orbs so you almost never find yourself in that situation....

 

[wh1pl4sh]

and like you said, it's very noob-unfriendly. might work, but rather as an extra mode or arena type, not as a universal thingy.

 

[KYTON]

NEW UPDATE : SEE CHANGELOG*
(*lots of balancing changes and some fixes)

 

[cowboyha]

I found a problem here

This occur when a match finishes without a score .Then whenever a match finishes(time out , scoring) ,a new castle appears .Then , you know , nobody can destroy enemy base .

 

[KYTON]

lawl.....I'll fix it straight away...... Thanks man.... and thanks for finding out when it happens (really helped with bug fixing)

+rep

Any requests/ideas for updates in new version?

 

[cowboyha]

I suggest random event .You know, it likes a random bombard , double damage or half damage, slow unit , silence for some second ,anything you like.It makes a battle crazier than ever before.

 

[KYTON]

Small Update

Just fixed some bugs and added 2 new powerups:

Next version will have:

>A new hero (with a hook ability)
>Random Events
>Maybe....CTF game mode

 

[KYTON]

Okay the Text Messages are still bugged in harbringer....soz

 

[cowboyha]

Still looking forward to the next version , still can't find anything yet

 

[cowboyha]

I found a little problem .I don't know why but I notice that when I fool around in shop area by use the spell "throw orb" or "use spell" , the moment I enter the arena , my hero........die

 

[KYTON]

My next update is kind of delayed thanks to me taking part in a map making comp on our local server....So have patience....It is kinda strange that your hero dies when using throw orb....(I'll try to replicate it)...and hopefully fix it...

 

[KYTON]

Just a small update

....I'll fix harbringer once and for all in next version....I'm having trouble with the new hero which will have the hook since it lags too much ...