Music Challenge - Juxtaposition - W.wolf.T.wolf vs. Watchman

[WherewolfTherewolf]

The Hive Workshop

Challenge

Challenge Theme:
Juxtaposition: create a piece of music which expresses a very sharp clash or contrast in itself.

Subject:
Music Composing

Theme:
Juxtaposition


Challenger:
WherewolfTherewolf

Opponent(s):
Watchman

Challenge Duration:
2 weeks


Proposed Reputation Award:
15 reputation


Challenge judging:
Waldbear


Challenge conditions:
The track should be between 2:00 and 8:00 minutes.
This challenge basically follows the general rules as if it's a Music Contest like the one that has recently ended in order to avoid confusion.

Deadline:
1/1/11 0:00 GMT

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Hehe, I knew you'd submit it eventually if I was lazy enough. I accept! When does it start?

Meh, I'm gonna lose a ton of rep... But who cares? Let the games begin!

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

So when do you think would be a good time to start this? Really I can pretty much do whenever

 

[Disasterpiece512]

RIGHT NOOOW! How about... tomorrow? (Probably gonna be today by the time you see this)

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Well then we still need a judge and approval

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I suggest Waldbaer as a judge, if he's up for it.

 

[Pyritie]

right so it's been two weeks but are you guys still up for this?

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I am. And I'm sure that Wherewolf is still up for it.

 

[Waldbaer]

OK guys, I'll do the judging, if you both want me to do it. I would be pleased if you could describe my job here a little more precisely though:
- One round or do you take into consideration to continue this challenge with further musical pieces?
- Are there any special judging criteria you want me to judge? E.g. a points-system to display how important the aspects are (e.g. in this case it may be more important to get the clash/contrast as interesting as possible than to make the piece as closed as possible)
- do you want to make any further requirements than "express a very sharp contrast"? Somehow nearly every piece has some kind of contrast in it, it is just depending on the style how this contrast is expressed and worked with… I hope I did even understand the challenge's theme correctly.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

- One round or do you take into consideration to continue this challenge with further musical pieces?

It's just a one round thing
Really the few other music challenges here have worked exactly like the other art type challenges. Well for criteria I figured it would be the same judging criteria used for the last music contest (of course with some changes to work appropriately) but being the judge, it's up to their discretion what the final judging criteria is (at least imo, the judges are supposed to be the authority on the challenge/contest so it'd make sense for them to define what they're judging upon).

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Ok, so we're set. Wolfie, add Waldbaer as a judge and Py approve this so we can get going!

 

[Pyritie]

okay I moved it go ahead and start

 

[The World Is Flat]

Cool!

 

[Vengeancekael]

Whentherewolf rape him in the ass-
i mean gogogogog

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

We never really set the date, when should this end? 2 weeks from now?

 

[fladdermasken]

Bold indeed. I love bold. Best of luck to both contenders.

 

[Waldbaer]

OK, I'll just take the points system from the last contest and try to judge as equally as possible.
I'll also try to keep up to date with this thread here and am looking forward to your pieces... just define a solid deadline soon (for me it should ideally be before January 10th but this should work with the two weeks anyways) and get to work.

 

[Gamecrafter_DK]

Kinda funny that your current rep message is "Is just really nice" wherethere, and you're challenging someone else

oh well

hope it turns out nice. we can use your submission anyway :3

 

[Disasterpiece512]

2 weeks from now is good. I think 1 week would suffice also.

 

[-Kobas-]

Go go go go

 

[Waldbaer]

We never really set the date, when should this end? 2 weeks from now?

2 weeks from now is good. I think 1 week would suffice also.

OK, so since you are of the same opinion and I'm your judge I'll just set an official date now and since it is December 17th, this date plus 2 weeks and some rounding make the DEADLINE:
1/1/11 0:00 GMT
[Edit: Deadline has been moved a week back to Jan 8th, 2011]

See you next year.

I'm sure that there will be nice pieces from both of you!
(a shame that in a challenge, someone has to loose points)

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I agree. Wherewolf, update the first post. I've already started working an hour ago and I'm pretty optimistic about it.

 

[Jaret]

Wow, this'll be awesome! Wolfie, kick his ass!
Oh, I mean.... I hope we'll get some cool pieces! Actually, it would be nicer if Watchman wins, since he's got less rep ^^

 

[Skycraft]

Good luck to both of you, haha jokes I hope the judge gets a tie.

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Wow, this'll be awesome! Wolfie, kick his ass!
Oh, I mean.... I hope we'll get some cool pieces! Actually, it would be nicer if Watchman wins, since he's got less rep ^^

Rep isn't all that important. This is just a reason to have some fun and create some music.

 

[Jaret]

Rep isn't all that important. This is just a reason to have some fun and create some music.

Well, having lots of rep is, well, better than having less, don't cha think?

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Well, having lots of rep is, well, better than having less, don't cha think?

Agreed, but as you can see I've been here since 2007 and my rep is still low. Well I guess the low post count and relative inactivity explains that but still D:

Is it ok for everyone if I post a WIP .midi here so that you can know what to expect from me?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

There's no rules against posting WIPs, people have no problems doing it in other contests so it should be fine

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I like where this is going. There's a first contrast between the piano intro and the melodic death metal-like riff that follows and also between the tempos (jumps from 110 for the piano intro to 210 for the riff). It's going to go farther than that, just you wait. The intro is kinda long but it'll have a guitar solo over it.

 

[Pyritie]

OK, so since you are of the same opinion and I'm your judge I'll just set an official date now and since it is December 17th, this date plus 2 weeks and some rounding make the DEADLINE:
1/1/11 0:00 GMT

See you next year.

I'm sure that there will be nice pieces from both of you!
(a shame that in a challenge, someone has to loose points)

Aww, why couldn't you make it 1:11 GMT

 

[Waldbaer]

Aww, why couldn't you make it 1:11 GMT

Sorry, I thought about it but then I thought it would be too complicated and preferred fireworks for our contestants.

 

[Brambleclaw]

This contest over or has it not even started?

 

[Disasterpiece512]

This contest over or has it not even started?

It's not a contest, It's a challenge. It means a user challenges another user to do something, not anybody can join.

 

[Brambleclaw]

It's not a contest, It's a challenge. It means a user challenges another user to do something, not anybody can join.

Can i join?

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Can i join?

Read the first post. It's between me and WherewolfTherewolf. What do you not understand?

 

[Brambleclaw]

Read the first post. It's between me and WherewolfTherewolf. What do you not understand?

Oh sorry its just it said Challnger(s) so i got confused if there were still vacant slots or not.
Looking forward to see yours and Wherewolf pieces. Also your wip is quite catchy. Although the low part sounds odd near the start. its a nice piece

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Oh sorry its just it said Challnger(s) so i got confused if there were still vacant slots or not.
Looking forward to see yours and Wherewolf pieces. Also your wip is quite catchy. Although the low part sounds odd near the start. its a nice piece

Hehe, thank you. Don't worry, the Music Contest (with multiple contestants) shall start soon. Right after we finish this challenge I hope. I look forward to see you joining that.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

My monies on the fat one, "Which ones the fat one" lol! Sorry family guy reference...

Good luck both of you! I cant wait to listen to some juxappsdpfoisgoiueropgh, whatever that is.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

http://www.box.net/shared/touvmagdmj

Started messing around with some MIDI ideas, I kinda like this as an intro but I'm not sure where I'm going to go with it

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Sounds like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, in the Mushroom Forest.

It sounds like a combination of alot of FFCC Mp3s. Its really psychedelic i like it.

 

[Brambleclaw]

http://www.box.net/shared/touvmagdmj

Started messing around with some MIDI ideas, I kinda like this as an intro but I'm not sure where I'm going to go with it

I agree sounds really pyschodellic great Intro. Now I cant wait for the rest

 

[Devine]

http://www.box.net/shared/touvmagdmj

Started messing around with some MIDI ideas, I kinda like this as an intro but I'm not sure where I'm going to go with it

I think your sitars (They're sitars right?) have a too high damp. If it's possible, i'd tone it down. Sounds good though.

@watchmen: That's quite a nice "drop", though I don't like those very early drums too much, they're just a bit too fast for my taste.
Though, the intro has some notes that sound a bit off, I think, and it's a bit repetitive and some of the variations just make it a bit akward at some moments.
I like it a lot though o:
I'm allowed to give feedback right?

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

I think your sitars (They're sitars right?) have a too high damp. If it's possible, i'd tone it down. Sounds good though.

Well I'm just doing the MIDI wip atm, I don't have extensive control over the timbre or anything like that, it'll sound better when I render it when I finish writing the whole piece

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Oh and the amp of the first 5-10 seconds is way higher then the rest of the song, it doesn't flow well.

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I think your sitars (They're sitars right?) have a too high damp. If it's possible, i'd tone it down. Sounds good though.

@watchmen: That's quite a nice "drop", though I don't like those very early drums too much, they're just a bit too fast for my taste.
Though, the intro has some notes that sound a bit off, I think, and it's a bit repetitive and some of the variations just make it a bit akward at some moments.
I like it a lot though o:
I'm allowed to give feedback right?

Of course you're allowed to give feedback. Since I posted the WIP I modified just about every part you said you don't like, hehe. That piano intro is supposed to have a guitar solo over it, that's why it's so repetitive - it's just the rhythm for the solo.

 

[Devine]

Of course you're allowed to give feedback. Since I posted the WIP I modified just about every part you said you don't like, hehe. That piano intro is supposed to have a guitar solo over it, that's why it's so repetitive - it's just the rhythm for the solo.

Oh but the piano part is a great intro, just a bit long, when the guitar kicks in, it's pretty nice. Having a guitar over it would ruin that kind of feelin I think. You could take a piece of the pianopart as a small intro with the guitar kicking in a lot earlier. This would make it less repetitive and the you could put the part you were planning to do behind it.
That's how I'd do that because I think the drop at 1:06 is awesome and I wouldn't really want to lose it.
I also think at 1:15 you could half the speed of the hats. Because it sounds a bit odd and it might sound a bit better if you'd do this.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Dealing with technical difficulties atm.....
I hope I'll be able to get my program working correct....

For Christmas I just got a new laptop that's much, much better then my comp
The problem? Well my audio program wasn't originally meant to work with Windows 7, so you have to do special steps to get it to work correctly with patches and stuff. Well after patching it incorrectly I needed to uninstall it, the problem is it's not reinstalling correctly so I'm trying to remove all files for it, but that's turning out to be a bit more difficult then it sounds so I can reinstall it correctly.

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I'm having some difficulties myself. My guitar's internal wiring is fucked so I have to fix it. Hope I'll meet the deadline.

 

[Waldbaer]

I'd say as long as you both agree to it, a small extension of the deadline would be possible (for me it won't make a big difference). But for the moment you should try to keep in time if possible. Just post here if you really need some days more.

 

[Disasterpiece512]

I think I'll meet the deadline. My song's finished, I only need to record it. I'll fix my guitar today or tomorrow and record immediately after. Should be done in time.