Make Spells NOT ignore the armor value

[Tigrick]

Hi all,

is it possible to make Spells (like e.g. 'Blizzard') NOT ignore the armor value?
What I know:
- The Armor Type can reduce Spell damage. Hero Armor takes 70% spell damage, for example. But it's always a 70% reduction. No matter the armor value. It neglects the armor value!!
- There's a passive spell based on the ability of the runed bracers that reduce spell damage taken. But I don't want to make an extra ability with a different reduction value for each unit.

Too bad Blizzard's Object Editor won't let us alter the damage type of most spells :/


Anyone, help?

 

[Ezekiel12]

There are some rare spells/abilities which are also reduced by armor. Generally what you wish is not possible.

You can either trigger your spells and use a damage combination that is also reduced by armor or add a hidden spell damage reduction ability to your unit.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Every X armor, you add Y% magic resistance. I don't see other solutions.

 

[kamyflex]

You can make your spells deal physical damage which is reduced by the armor.

 

[Tigrick]

You can make your spells deal physical damage which is reduced by the armor.

The Object Editor doesn't let me alter the damage type. Only if every spell is trigger-bound this can be done. Or do you know an easier way to change the damage type of spells?

 

[kamyflex]

The only way i know is triggering the spell.

 

[Karzama]

Could you possibly use a DDS? They should be able to detect magic damage dealt then you could null that damage and re-deal the damage as magical damage that is armor effected (universal ignores armor, the default setting does not)

 

[Alright]

> Could you possibly use a DDS? They should be able to detect magic damage dealt then you could null that damage

Technically, using a DDS will mostly likely require all spells to be triggered since that is how generally the system works. That way you can determine on how the spell's damage will be dealt, which you can convert to something like physical that will be reduced by armor this way. Or even make them do full damage.

 

[Dr Super Good]

You have to trigger it all. In SC2 you can enable armor for specifc damage effects but sadly WC3 lacks such customizable damage functionality.

When triggering damage you can set various attributes. The best would be to use something like magic type attack as that would make the most sense for a spell generally. Some exceptions should be made for abilities of certain units (eg goblin tinker) which should use other damage types to reflect the hero theme better.

 

[Wietlol]

Technically, using a DDS will mostly likely require all spells to be triggered since that is how generally the system works.

Nope.
A DDS detects damage.
Some can detect the difference between magic and physical damage and in this case it would be nice.
However, it would mean that spell damage reduction is already applied before you detect the damage.
You also cannot detect what spell did the damage.

What you are talking about is an Alternative Damage-Engine.
A damage engine does not detect damage but it deals damage instead.
This opens many more possibilities but requires you to indeed trigger all damage.

 

[Tigrick]

Well, I'm not going to make triggers for each spell

I could make a passive (spellbook-hidden) ability that reduces spell damage and give it many levels. Then, whenever a unit enters the map, the level of the ability could be scaled accordingly. Problem is: WE won't let me detect armor values. Is there an elegant way to detect armor values?

 

[Dr Super Good]

I could make a passive (spellbook-hidden) ability that reduces spell damage and give it many levels. Then, whenever a unit enters the map, the level of the ability could be scaled accordingly. Problem is: WE won't let me detect armor values. Is there an elegant way to detect armor values?

You need to deal some damage to the unit of a kind that is reduced by armor (using damage unit native) and then calculate the actual damage dealt either by measuring the health differential or by using a DDS. You can then use the WC3 armor formula (same as Diablo III armor/all resistances with different constant) and worth out the amount of armor the unit has. Do not forget to apply armor type correction which might need some form of massive data table of all units and their armor types or another damage system to determine the type. Remember to add extra health to the unit during this and restore its health at the end otherwise it might die unintentionally.

In SC2 you could simply look up the unit's armor. Unfortunately WC3 lacks such functionality which is kind of annoying.

 

[Wietlol]

In SC2 you could simply...

I am almost starting to count it.

You can use a DDS and change the spell damage into physical damage.
Just be carefull with which DDS you take because none that I have tested so far came through my tests alive.

 

[Xonok]

Use a DDS that can detect damage type, such as the one by lfh.
Detect when any spell damage is done and null it.
Deal the same amount of damage as physical damage instead.

It's not complicated, doesn't require SC2 and doesn't need triggered spells.

 

[Tigrick]

thanks for the tips everyone. Damage detection systems (DDS, I assume) are the way to go, I would assume.

Though I also have an alternative in mind:
- Have a trigger damage a unit by a certain value and calculate how much the damage was reduced
- This lets me now the % reduction of the units' armor.
- I can then give a passive ability to the unit that has several levels. The levels give differnet reduction in spell damage taken. The level will be adjusted according to the results of said calculation.
- This will be done to each unit that hits the field


Hmm, I think it could work. Will try & maybe tell you folks if it works.


Bye for now and thanks to everyone again ツ

 

[Xonok]

One alternative to your alternative would be storing the armor values of units in an array. That way you don't have to detect the armor amount.

 

[Wietlol]

Ofcourse you can trigger the spells yourself... it is not that hard for most spells.