looking to help detail a project

[InfernalTater]

The difference is, if you take a look at some of the models I've made, attachments have a lower file size.
I've made some pretty good attachments wilth file sizes less than 2 KB.
This is what makes attachments much smaller: no bones, and no animations.
There is no point using geoset merging to make a unit model. Waste of file size. The only time you should use a custom unit model is if that unit has unique animations. Or if it's so kickass that you want to import it anyway, despite the file size.
Otherwise, just import tiny attachments. There's no point importing a whole set of bones and animations on a unit model if it uses the same bones and animations of an in-game model.

Anyway, orcwar2, I downloaded your screenshot, trimmed it, and uploaded it, here you go:

orcwar2s screenshot

To upload it, click Insert Image at the top of the screen and paste this link: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/152739-albums4597-picture46739.jpg
Most people will want you to put it inside of a tab so that they don't have to scroll past it. Typing BB Code tutorials is annoying because if I tell you what to type, it will DO that. So go to this link, and use the BB code Hidden. http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/misc.php?do=bbcode

And, as I said earlier, your terrain looks a lot better than it did at first, but you still need some imrovement.

 

[rysnt11]

I think, that's a waste of doodad, since people want a decent terrain with fast load time
I suggest you to decrease the grass, make them some sort of growing naturaly, but the green grass near undead's blight?
Don't make sense, i agree with inferno
And seems you only use the props and stucture, use some destrutible wont hurt,
Oh, and try to make some building by combining doodad

 

[InfernalTater]

Actually, rysnt11, making grass from doodads doesn't add much to the loading time.
That grass does not fit the terrain, but it's okay to use that type of grass on other areas where it would actually fit in. The grass is not animated, and very low-poly, so it doesn't take up performance.

 

[rysnt11]

Then compare a map full of that 'grass' with a map that only has 'natural' growed grass
The load time is a big prob

 

[InfernalTater]

Why would anybody cover the entire map with doodad grass. You'd only need it for a few areas here and there...

 

[orcwar2]

ok i see your points on the grass and i was just wondering the model thing to know which program would be great for a begginer like and thanks for uploading the screen shot.

 

[InfernalTater]

Well, you don't need to make models to make terrain.
I gave you links above to the tools I use to make models, though, if you want. Scroll up to the top of page 4.

 

[orcwar2]

yeah i forgot it was colored in link color my oops ill check them out imediatly

ok really stupid question where are the blizz models located?

 

[InfernalTater]

open MPQ browser
then open any MPQ

 

[orcwar2]

ok thanks

 

[rysnt11]

Dont forget, some of the model, like firelord, goblin alchemist is located in war3patch

 

[InfernalTater]

As I said

open MPQ browser
then open any MPQ

 

[rysnt11]

Yap...
Just for info....

 

[orcwar2]

ok one last thing how do i get 2 blizz models together ex. doomguard on felhound

 

[InfernalTater]

Without importing custom models?
Use attachments. You can attach units to units just as you would attach a weapon to a unit.

 

[orcwar2]

ok can you dumb it down to idiot standards please

 

[InfernalTater]

Using attachments is simple...
There are many ways to do it. I prefer to use abilities.
You know how abilities attach things like orb effects to units? Change the model of the attached effect. Change the attachment point to wherever you want it to be attached to, such as:
head
chest
origin (the bottom center of the model, such as between a footman's feet)
hand, left (seperate strings)
foot, right (seperate strings)

There are dozens of attachment points, these are just a few.

 

[orcwar2]

ah ok so like if i had a doomguard i would do like felhound model at origin or felhound base would be back if im understanding you right.

 

[InfernalTater]

Yes.
You attach that to the origin, and then it is at the origin.
The only issue with this is, the attached unit will always use the stand animation. It will not attack with the original unit.

 

[orcwar2]

so it would be better to use a felhound base and not a doomguard so it would look... well at least part way right

 

[InfernalTater]

It depends on which unit you want to use attack animations.

 

[orcwar2]

yeah but a doomguard base wouldnt look right 'cause if i understand right the felhounds legs would not move but the doomguards legs would.

 

[rysnt11]

@ inferno and orcwar: looks like this thread has been your two private thread!
Lol..
Haha~
No offense

 

[InfernalTater]

@rysnt11 The thread is still on-topic. I am helping him to learn to make maps. It isn't a "private thread".

 

[rysnt11]

'Looking to help detail a project'
Not
'looking for someone to help me'
Hha~

 

[orcwar2]

lol yaeh maybe i should close this thread and make a thread called "looking to help me to detail your own projects" not my best but its what i had

 

[rysnt11]

No no, just stay here, have a good chat with us (me and inferno)
And you will eventually become a good terrainer..

 

[orcwar2]

yea i know by the way can i see one of jx or w/e his name is terrain?

 

[rysnt11]

Jx?
Terrain?
Dunno..

 

[orcwar2]

the guy you said was more of a legend then tli

 

[rysnt11]

XPQJ??
He's one of my member, a vice leader in my workshop

 

[orcwar2]

lol really well can i see one of his terrains i was reviewing the thread and i noticed how it said he makes realistic terrain i wanna see how realistic it is.

 

[rysnt11]

Ask him, it's his terrain after all...
Haha~
Hmmm, i rembered, XPQJ was worked on one of my workshop's customer request, if i dont wrong, check the link in the main post

 

[orcwar2]

holy **** when i saw that terrain i passed out for 6 minutes that was epic terrain now i got a new goal: make terrain as good or better then his.

 

[rysnt11]

Learn things from him, ask how did he make it

 

[orcwar2]

why its obvious he imagines true geographical locations and then applies them to his maps like i noticed how he didnt have many trees in his terrain which makes sence since he is using barrens terrain while he use very few rocks in the river which seems odd for for most water falls i see have more rocks at the bottom of it.

 

[InfernalTater]

Orcwar2, best way to terrain is to do it yourself. Keep making terrain, you'll get better with practice. Spend a few hours practicing with the tricks I've told you, and you'll start to make better terrain. You can't get better by looking at other people's terrain; you can be inspired, but to get better, you have to actually terrain. It's just like drawing, or swimming. You can learn tricks, you can be inspired, but you have to do it yourself to get better.

 

[orcwar2]

funny thats first lesson i learned when i began RPing in WC

 

[orcwar2]

bum bum bu bum bump bump bu bu bump

 

[SpectreD]

the bandit terrain doesnt look that impressive... it just looks like a bunch of flames that youv randomly places. and also try go to the recruiting section

 

[orcwar2]

thank you for the comment that tli made a while back about the bandit terrain plus there is another screeny somewhere (page 4 or 5) that you should check mainly cause i wasnt able to upload for some reason so tli did it for me

 

[orcwar2]

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