Is Arthas Really Undead

[VeljkoM]

We all know Arthas.We all played campaign with him as human and undead.and we saw how he lost his soul and became Death Knight.
BUT we have never seen how he died and how was he actualy turn to undead.
When Uther the Lightbring was dieing Arthas said that he intends to LIVE for ever.
So question is:
Is Arthas dead or alive

 

[The_Silent]

Are alcolytes or necromancers undead. They got the classification, but following the campaigns, they don't seem undead either.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

I hardly doubt that anyone can live without soul

 

[The_Silent]

Shuck norris do 0.o
Btw, how do you know you can't live without a soul, or that they got none?

 

[VeljkoM]

Why can't somebody be alive without soul.Body still lives.
The Silent you are right acolytes and necromancers aren't dead at all.
They are cultist who gave their souls or wills to Lich King.

 

[shadow3]

I think it's more because of balancing issues and how they really, really, hate the Light and all that, then that they really are undead.
And they aren't, like Silent and Veljko already said.

As for Arthas, I think he's dead. In WotLK you find out that he's thrown away his heart, and Tirion Fordring even destroys it.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Why can't somebody be alive without soul.Body still lives.

Cause it's warcraft

 

[~Void~]

He isn't undead but he's corrupted by frostmourne. He never died... it's like he sold his soul.

 

[VeljkoM]

As for Arthas, I think he's dead. In WotLK you find out that he's thrown away his heart, and Tirion Fordring even destroys it.

What do you meen.Arthas was not killed by who ever that is.
I don't know or care about WOW lore.

 

[shadow3]

Well, in that case, I think his body is alive but everything else that is 'Arthas' has been replaced by Ner'zhul.

 

[punwisp]

Arthas is a living being that went from light to darkness, he isn't undead. Like others said, he basically gave his soul away, who knows why they get a undead look.

 

[VeljkoM]

Maybe they start to decay from absence of their will.Their body functions slows down to minimal and after that they lose all life becoming walking corpses.

 

[punwisp]

Or because of the demonic magic within them corrupts them more, and often mutation and such occurs, such as when the orcs first used demonic magic, very little of it, there skin went from brown to green.

 

[VeljkoM]

Has Arthas lost his mind
can he see or is he blind
can he walk at all
or if he moves will he fall.
Is he alive or dead
Has he voices with in his head
we'll just pass him there
why should we even care.

 

[Masiah]

Necromancers and acolytes are human, they aren't properly "undead".

Arthas is a body with two souls in it, Ner'zhul's (currently controlling) and Arthas's, which is believed to be trying to fight off Ner'zhul.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Has Arthas lost his mind
can he see or is he blind
can he walk at all
and if he moves will he fall.
Is he alive or dead
Has he voices with in his head
we'll just pass him there
why should we even care.

Are those questions? I can't see any question marks..

 

[VeljkoM]

You never heard Black Sabbath "I am Iron man" song ?
I just wanted to make this tread alive.

Arthas is a body with two souls in it, Ner'zhul's (currently controlling) and Arthas's, which is believed to be trying to fight off Ner'zhul.

Didn't Blizzard said that Arthas and Ner'zhul are one person now.
And necromancers and acolytes aren't really undead so yea you are right.

 

[Masiah]

Matthias Lehner - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

 

[brad.dude03]

Arthas goes through several transitions.

In the beginning, Prince Menithel Arthas is just an ordinary human.

Then he loses his mind.

Then he becomes a Death Knight, which means he is undead. By being undead, he is among the living dead. He has no soul, he gave his soul to the Lich King, via Frostmourne, the sword that Nerz'hul sent down to trap him, in order to become undead.

In the very end, Arthas merges with the Lich King's soul, which was frozen in the block of ice. Now he is a combination of both Arthas and Nerz'hul, super evil, super badass.

So I guess technically he is among the living again, since he merged with Nerz'hul.

 

[punwisp]

Arthas goes through several transitions.

In the beginning, Prince Menithel Arthas is just an ordinary human.

Then he loses his mind.

Then he becomes a Death Knight, which means he is undead. By being undead, he is among the living dead. He has no soul, he gave his soul to the Lich King, via Frostmourne, the sword that Nerz'hul sent down to trap him, in order to become undead.

In the very end, Arthas merges with the Lich King's soul, which was frozen in the block of ice. Now he is a combination of both Arthas and Nerz'hul, super evil, super badass.

So I guess technically he is among the living again, since he merged with Nerz'hul.

Eh he wouldn't technically be dead, though I agree with what you said, he never died, however he gave away his soul so he is somewhat of a slave.

 

[brad.dude03]

If you notice, I never said he died

 

[punwisp]

lol, yea tehe

I also learned some new info.. BRad is 100% correct, and it makes sense, also all the other DK's are not ex paladins, they were if I remember right, slain warriors brought back to life, wiped out of all past emotions and attachments, and server solely to the lich, which they all have will, so they can repel, however the Lich king in a way brainwashed them, or erased there memory. This is explained in wrath...

 

[Marshmalo]

I'd imagine if you lost your soul you would slowly die out from the inside, thus becoming undead overtime, think of it like a disease. We don't know what happened to Arthas in Northrend before he came back to Lorderon to destroy it but I bet he slowly turned undead then murdered any of his army who refused to give up their will to the lich king (omg some one do a map on this would make a good campaign)

Also you shouldnt put too much importance on what Arthas says to Uther in the campaigns, think about it they're both in the heat of battle and not in a fit state to give accurate infomation, I'm the specifics of undead/living were the last thing on Arthas's mind. He probabaly meant he intended on excisting forever.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea you are right about his comment.
But he probably left his soldiers to rot. like he did with Muradins dwaves.

 

[The_Silent]

Also you shouldnt put too much importance on what Arthas says to Uther in the campaigns, think about it they're both in the heat of battle and not in a fit state to give accurate infomation, I'm the specifics of undead/living were the last thing on Arthas's mind. He probabaly meant he intended on excisting forever.

I think you should, because blizzard has absolut no reason to give false information, and it don't make it more realistic (and even if it would be more realistic, Blizzard isn't that realistic!). And even the expansion campaigns point it out in the same way as the ROC campaigns, that Arthas is still human... By the way, who cares, if he's an evil soulless human or an evil soulless undead.

 

[AJalex]

Ok he is dead.How do i know?
Well i recently saw a questline popup on wowwiki which was about destroying Arthas' heart (the real objective) but in the description the questgiver tells you that he wants to take a glimpse into the heart to see if he has any humanity left but after looking into it he says that the only presence is the lich king => he is dead.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Matthias_Lehner link to the questgiver

 

[The_Silent]

Wow is wow, they would make arthas become a pandaran just to earn more money... Even though you may be right, but only in wow matter then, they ''point out'' multiple times that arthas still is alive in warcraft 3... So he dieds after that then.

 

[Masiah]

Probably all this will end with the rendemption of Arthas, ressurection of Illidan and... a "happily ever after" ending.

 

[The_Silent]

Probably all this will end with the rendemption of Arthas, ressurection of Illidan and... a "happily ever after" ending.

lol, wouldn't it be redemption of ilidan and ressurection of arthas then... Or your just talking wow, because that would be a possibility.

 

[Devine]

... I've got quite an off-topic statement to make:
If the night elves created the burning legion, the burning legion created The lichking who created the scourge, then why is the scourge such a threat? Arthas shouldn't be stronger then Illidan, he's got nightelf super powas!

Arthas is nor livin nor death, he's a lost soul.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Lost soul without soul? Sounds kinda win.

 

[Masiah]

He is just a chilled-out emo looking for attention.

 

[VeljkoM]

Where did you learn that.Since when did Night Elves created Burning Legion.Sargeras created burning legion.
And Arthas is powered by Lich King.

 

[Masiah]

Arthas IS the Lich King.

 

[VeljkoM]

I meant before merging.It looks like the post I was responding to is deleted.

 

[Devine]

Where did you learn that.Since when did Night Elves created Burning Legion.Sargeras created burning legion.
And Arthas is powered by Lich King.

Oh no ... Decadent Night Elfs created those bastard legions.

 

[VeljkoM]

Oh no ... Decadent Night Elfs created those bastard legions.

Where did you found out that.And Arthas is better then Ilidan.

 

[The_Silent]

Where did you found out that.And Arthas is better then Ilidan.

Arthas should be kinda stronger since Illidan is the legions lacky (or was), and Arthas is an direct thread. If Illidan was that trong he wouldn't just be a lackey.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Arthas is not Undead. I rest my case.

 

[Linaze]

Well, Arthas is undead for sure. UN-dead, meaning his neither living nor dead, you could say. A soulless human, he is. At least this is how I understood this, I might be completely wrong, however.

 

[bounty hunter2]

He is just a random Emo seeking attention. I am sure he cuts his venes when he is bored. And then he is frustrated when he realises he can't die.

 

[The_Silent]

He is just a random Emo seeking attention. I am sure he cuts his venes when he is bored. And then he is frustrated when he realises he can't die.

I'm sure you know all about that...

Ilidan cut his own eyes out... Now we got 2 emos

 

[NhazUl]

Arthas is better described as a "un-living" creature. His tissues are, like, frozen in time, and his cells' metabolism does not function. However, this does not lead to his tissues' death/decay.

His nerve and muscle cells, however, seem to be powered by dark magic, since his nerve system functions (both the sensitive and executive part). He can feel pain and can move.

His cells, however, do not need to be fed by any external sources, do not divide, perform excretion, or die. His blood circulates (I think, since it spills on the ground as he dies in game), but is purple-tinted and seems to distribute some dark-related substance instead of oxyhemoglobine/carboxyhemoglobine. He does not breathe as well.

Conclusion: Arthas' body cells do not have metabolism to maintain themselves, but otherwise act as living and healthy (nerve synapses and moving function). So his condition should be better described as "unlife". Same with the Acolytes and Necromancers. Holy Light damages them, because their tissues, as I said, are powered by darkness.

 

[VeljkoM]

Didn't Sylvanas poisoned Arthas one time.That means that his blood is still doing its function.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

But if Arthas was dead, he would be looking like those Skeleton Warriors/Mages/Archers, Ghouls, Zombies, Banshees(?), Abominations Riding a Dead/Undead Skeletal Steed, and btw, where did Arthas get that horse anyways...?

And NhazUl that could be a scientific way of explaining it, but remember, Blizzard + Science = World Of Barney And Friends, they DON'T go together and instead become some whacky lore... Like, Malganis got slain by Arthas using a "powerful" runeblade known as Frostmourne, but he suddenly poofed back into the story saying: "I'm back guys! Missed me?" in World Of Warcraft, Blizzard's excuse is that Dreadlords are immortal...

 

[VeljkoM]

Curse the WoW for ruining lore.
And it is Ner'zhul.

 

[thegreatsmite]

Has Arthas lost his mind
can he see or is he blind
can he walk at all
or if he moves will he fall.
Is he alive or dead
Has he voices with in his head
we'll just pass him there
why should we even care.

because if we pass him, he'll probably kill us

 

[Avex]

WoW never ruined lore untill The Burning Crusade, imagine if it was Pre-TBC, forever. It'd get boring, so then they release WotLK, WITHOUT TBC, wouldn't that be supreme bad-ass?

Or, they change outland completley so it isnt lore-threatening.

Sadly neither will happen, I wish it was WoW-WotLK-TM-TED.

Tm and Ted is The Maelstrom and The Emerald Dream, 80% chance the new expansions.

 

[VeljkoM]

WoW destroyed Warcraft lore.I won't talk about it now because it isn't related to this forum.
But i can bet they will ruin the Arthas in expansions.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Curse the WoW for ruining lore.
And it is Ner'zhul.

I was talking to a player, not the real deal, read the name above me in my previous post...