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Insanity Attack v4.5

Submitted by blancfaye7
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by blancfaye7

You find yourselves, the Normalizens, in the middle of nowhere.
An apocalypse broke out for reasons unknown, rendering all people to become insane and cause trouble everywhere.
Cults have sprung, other species are evolving, the mighty have fallen...
These are now called the Insanes.
People who still have their sanity are officially called the Normalizens.

You, the Normalizens, must defend yourself from becoming one of the Insanes.
The Insanes will attack you anytime soon. Use your skills to build a base and train sane people to fend off the Insanes! Anything is possible!
You never know, you might kill the source of this apocalypse sometime soon...


Gameplay

First off, the players can choose what mode they want to play in. There are 5 modes:
Very Easy, Easy, Normal, Hard, Insane.
The Insanes adjust for the Normalizens. Isn't that nice of them?

The Normalizens consist of Builders, Military, Resource Structures, Research Structures, Towers, Garrison Structures, Shops and Walls.
Builders are units that build structures vital for progression.
Military are units that are combat-able and experts on the battlefield.
Resource Structures are buildings that give Lumber and Gold resources which play an important role for spending in research, building structures and training units.
Research Structures are buildings whose purpose is to research upgrades. Upgrades include the improvement of each part of the Normalizens.
Towers are basically defensive structures to safeguard the base.
Garrison Structures are buildings that train Military units.
Shops are buildings that sells items for unit (Builder, Military and Tower) improvement.
Walls are structures that serve as a barrier, literally. They are mostly used to cover your camp from the Insanes.

Being a Normalizen, of course there is pride.
Whenever there comes rivalry or dispute between them, or when they feel like they want a contest, then there always is a PvP system.
Normalizens can declare war on each other, as well as redeclare alliance.

Being a Normalizen, there is also friendship.
Each Normalizen is a friend of the other. They can give resources to those who are in need. They can also give their own units under the command of another leader (currently disabled, though).

In the middle of chaos, the Insanes love to bring a trouble party with them just to make a Normalizen to be one with themselves. Random Events will definitely occur, and it must be expected by the Normalizens in order to survive their chaotic acts.

Even with that said, there is still one goal that the Normalizens have: To survive and defeat the Final Boss, whoever the boss is.
It is the end if All the Normalizens' Main Builders died, as it is their leader.
Also, the Final Boss seem to have an aura that makes any person insane... Whatever.
The Normalizens must survive no matter what!

To give a summary:
Normalizens can discuss which mode fits them.
Normalizens must get rid of Insane Fools out there who try to attack them.
Normalizens can declare war on one another.
Normalizens can reforge alliance.
Normalizens can give units to others, except to the Insane Folks.
Insane Fools are random because they want to be random, so Normalizens must expect for the worst.
Normalizens will win if the Insanes give up because they got bored of it or when the Final Boss is killed.
Normalizens will lose if their Main Builders die.


General Screenshots


I am going to update the screenshots using v4.1 version.
Below are screenshots that are outdated.

When the map starts...
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A sample camp that a player can make...
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The Insanes have started invading.
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The Insanes have successfully destroyed the player's camp.
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When all of the players' Main Builders die...
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Features

Different Difficulty Modes
PvP System
Unit Sharing System [Disabled]
Camera Manipulation
Important Unit Searching
Random Events (More to come!)


Game Tips

General
• Don't be insane.
• Be coopreative.
• Don't lose hope.
• Be respectful.
• Be a fun person.

Early Game
Check for a good area. Trees play a vital role in the game. They blind you from vision, and that's not good especially for towers. Any unit whose vision is blurred cannot attack on that spot, even if enemies are in combat range of the unit. These trees also block your view, especially those large ones! In the PvP world, you can use these trees to your advantage .
Start small, Think fast. Start your camp as a small and nice place to live. 3 by 3 Walls are enough to fill your camp with a Hall, 6 Lumber Mills and 2 Towers. This is a very good starting set up.
Be efficient (Decision-making). Walls take too long to build. Well, then leave them unfinished! Place your unfinished Walls first then build them later. Your first priority is to get resources quick and fast, and have at least 1 offensive/defensive unit, in which it is just a Tower in early game. Power Build it if you must, since Pests are a problem.
Be efficient (Base architecture). All structures you can build have the same size, except walls. You must place your buildings well to maximize the small space that you have, and to also have pathways for your builders to travel to easily. Just 1 space gap is fine; all units except the mechanical ones fit through that gap. In late game, there will come Insane Freaks that are ranged. You must place buildings that are least used near the walls so that you lose only a little speck of progression. Take note also of each unit's sight range. Offensive units won't be able to attack on blind spots. Some structures have good sight range on day or night.
Do not rush. Though some things are good to be rushed, there are also some that aren't. This includes Upgrading fast to an Advanced Hall. There are times that Advanced Hall is needed fast, but not all the time. There are other factors, but you must discover them yourselves.
Assign Control Groups. Throughout the game, Control Groups will be very much important. You'll need this and you know you'll need this and abuse it to the maximum extent.

Mid Game
Get Assistants. These group of workers are a must to have! Assistant Builders are your heroes! They have inferior Fast Repairs and Power Builds, but that's something! Helpers can also help auto-repair the walls. Not only that, but only Helpers can build Tunnels, which makes travelling a lot easier especially if your camp is getting bigger.
Expand when needed. You heard me: Only expand when it is needed! Expanding needlessly can lead to your deaths. Expansions are needed for extra space. There are two kinds of expansions: the 1st one and the 2nd one. Hey, don't complain! I don't know what to name them. Anyway, the 1st one is an expansion which is extending your base from a direction. For example, you could either build walls outside of your camp which is just connected from your camp. The 2nd one is an expansion that is building a completely new camp in some place. This one is better, but harder to manage. You need some kind of defense to even pull through building a new camp.
Upgrade when there is a chance. Research those upgrades when you can! Researches take time to finish, and you wouldn't want the Insane Freaks to continuously get stronger without you getting stronger as well! Towers can get outdated, etc...

Late Game
Produce an army. At this point, you should be mass producing units to kill the Final Boss, and to reduce stress from your camp/s. This can be done in mid-game. You need to reserve a space for these, since this can become cloggy.
Research only what you have researched with a progress of 70% and up. Starting to research new upgrades can become futile. It can help, but it's better to focus what you have maximized by now.
• Get a Bank. Yep. With this, Lumber and Gold can all become as 1 type of currency. There is unity and serenity within the hearts of Wood and Money!
Always check your camp and builders. With the Insane Fools getting more insane each second, you have to check your camp regularly. Anything bad can happen, you know!

This is addressed to all the Players in cooperation. Good Luck out there, Normalizens!


Credits

World Editor by Blizzard is used for this project.

Insane BGM is made by beatdock.
Peaceful BGM is made by craigaustin.
Alarm sound effects are made by fongcheng4 and audiomicro.
(www.freesfx.co.uk)

Pickaxe sounds are made by Benboncan and an unknown artist.
(www.freesound.org and www.audioblocks.com)

Touhou Models came from THDotS.

Etrian Odyssey Models are made by harin.
(chaosrealm.info)

Dwarf Cavalry Model is made by Radagast.
Arthas Rider Model is made by Kuhneghetz.
Basic House Model is made by Ergius.
Beautiful Gate Model is made by s4nji.
Hero Glow is made by assassin_lord.
Better House and Generator Models are made by Kitabatake.
Gold Mine Model is made by Mike.
Nebula is made by WILL THE ALMIGHTY.
Destroy Button is made by CRAZYRUSSIAN.
Map Description Generator by Vengeancekael is used.
Dozer Icon is made by Hayate.
Game Logo is made by Ardenian.
Map Optimizer by Vexorian is used.
Model Editor by Magos is used.
MDX Squisher by Guesst is used.
Technical Support are given by Dat-C3, Flux, sentrywiz, Wietlol, BPower, edo494, WaterKnight, Death_Adder, spasorc, morgos14, MyTearsYourWeapon, IcemanBo, rulerofiron99, apcrabnightlive, Almia, Alright, Destiny.Knight and andreasaspenberg.
Map is tested by Yugata, kino, Mech_Warrior with his friends, Orcnet with his friends, Mammamia, Emm-A- and Flux.
(www.hiveworkshop.com and www.wc3c.net)

Infection Attack by Asiliuxas map gave me inspiration!

Thanks to my friends, namely Oblige, Oracle, Cross, CipheR, Jevichrono, eggertime, PusheenTheCat, nutellaboy, doge, Cerbus, Jamaja, MikuMikuRin, RM, thereoninguy, Transcendence, illyas, Kaku and hayahay for testing the map and giving suggestions. I needed the support you gave me!


Changelog

v0.1
- This is the first version.
- Expect this map to be buggy.
- First release: Alpha Version.

v0.5
- Second version of the map development.
- Fixed several leaks that causes lag.
- Removed Blancii C.I.W.U.N.
- Changed the central area of its terrain layout.
- Made the central area to be unbuildable.
- Fixed Tunnel Burrow.
- Reedited the buildings that the Technician can construct.
- The next version (v1.0) will have Enemy AI fixed.

v0.7
- Third version of the map development.
- Fixed more leaks.
- The next version (v1.0) will have Enemy AI fixed. Some updates were made.
- Rebalanced difficulty.
- Easy mode now available.
- Added regeneration rates of Advanced Wall and Gates.
- Decreased Imbued Wall regeneration.
- Increased Imbued Gate regeneration.

v0.8a (1st)
- Fourth alpha version of the map development.
- Fixed more leaks.
- The next version (v1.0) will have Enemy AI fixed.
- Opening and Closing Gates no longer makes a selection with other players.
- Fixed some bad unit references.
- Removed profanity on Easy Mode. All profanity will be eradicated soon.
- Hard mode is buggy due to Immolation skills of Flandre and Koishi. Thus it is disabled.
- Fixed wrong flags of the Spawn System.
- Updated Enemy Stats and Upgrades over time.

v0.8a (2nd)
- Fourth alpha version of the map development.
- Fixed more leaks.
- Fixed Gate Bug.
- Fixed some bad unit references.
- Removed some profanity. All profanity will be eradicated soon.
- Hard mode is buggy. Thus disabled.
- Fixed wrong flags of the Spawn System.
- Updated Unit Stats, Upgrades and Spawn Times.
- Upgrades for enemies are updated on Easy Mode for testing.
- Updated AI, but not completely perfect yet.
- Added a new track.
- Set a maximum cap for gold and lumber.
- Fixed upgrading system to actually upgrade affected units.
- Added Fast Repair for Assistants.

v0.8b
- Fourth beta version of the map development.
- Added Chen and her Champions as bosses.
- Extended Survive Time.
- Updates only available on Easy mode for testing.
- Disabled Normal Mode temporarily.
- Added Pests.
- Normalized game economy (Ongoing).
- Fixed Assitant Builder Upgrade bug.
- Major Update on Military Units.
- Added Vertical Gates.
- Changed Burrow Mechanics.
- Will implement Spacebar Points.

v1.0 (Alpha)
- Stable Version of the map (Alpha Testing).
- Added a Tutorial Mode.
- Unimplemented Spacebar Points.
- Soon to implement Normal and Hard Modes.
- Technician and Manager are downgraded upon the death of Imbued Town Hall.
- Fixed Mining Sound Set.
- Readjusted Enemy stats for a reasonable difficulty increase.
- Added a PvP system.
- Changed all Background Music.
- Added a Shop entity.
- Creator now officially named as blancfaye7!

v1.0 (Beta)
- Stable Version of the map (Beta Testing).
- Map now open to public for beta testing.
- Readjusted enemy health and variable upgrading.
- Readjusted Military and Tower variable upgrading.
- Fixed Unit Sharing to avoid giving units to enemy players.
- Updated Tutorial.

v1.1 (Beta)
- Stable Version of the map (2nd Beta Testing).
- Major Model Updates (Added Team Color and Unit Glows).
- Enemy A.I. updated.
- Increased Map Size.
- Added in-game Tips.
- Sight Range decreased for most units.

v1.2 (Beta)
- Quick Update of the Map (2nd Beta).
- Decreased Map Size and Playable Area Bounds.
- Fixed Sight Range absurdity.
- Updated Reveal Skill.
- Fixed careless AI bug.
- Added camera reset chat command.
- Added new structure: Scout Beacon.
- Replaced Battleship with Locomotive.
- Changed and added Camera Chat Commands.
- Single Player Modes now get more resources to at least survive.

v1.3
- First Official Release of the Map.
- Adjusted pitch of "-cam far".
- Fixed A.I. of Chen.
- Fixed the freeze bug of the Champions.
- Fixed Immolation of Koishi and Flandre.
- Decreased Dice Damage of Advanced Military Units.
- Increased Tower Damage.
- Updated Upgrade Tooltips to a more specific description.
- Increased Normal and Hard difficulty.
- Decreased 2nd-Tier Resource structures' costs.
- Fixed Sound Sets of Ranger and Marines.
- Quitters will not have some of their units to be removed and their resources are now divided among User Players.
- Fixed Player List Multiboard.

v2.0
- Second Official Release of the Map.
- Increased Pulverize chance of Bull that became intelligent.
- Decreased Advanced Hall and Imbued Town Hall's HP and armor.
- Decorated Terrain on the edges.
- Reduced Decay Time.
- Added 2 new Random Events; 2 Insane units added.
- Changed Healing Wave of Nurse to Slow.
- Changed name of Nurse to Witch; corresponding upgrades and tooltips also updated.
- Changed name of Priest to Cleric; corresponding upgrades and tooltips also updated.
- Fixed Hostile Sound Effect from looping.
- Fixed registration of units even when in PvP mode.

v2.1
- Third Official Release of the Map.
- Removed Tutorial as it is pointless.
- Added Spawn Limit.
- Updated the Blink Spell; 150 to 1000 range, 200 second cooldown, 5 second cast time.
- Will implement Sanity System if supported by many.

v2.2
- Fourth Official Release of the Map.
- Fixed Death of Main Builders condition for defeat.
- Removed Single Player Limiter.
- Will implement Sanity System if supported by many.
- Changed Destroy button.
- Fixed Quitter's unit removal.
- Fixed Multiboard disappearance bug.

v2.3
- Fifth Official Release of the Map.
- Nothing major changed.
- Updated Tooltips with information of Tech Upgrades.
- Refactored some Triggers.

v2.4
- Sixth Official Release of the Map.
- Removed Casting TIme of Blink. Cooldown is now 220 seconds, and the minimum range is now at 250.
- Increased resource production of Advanced Lumber Mill, Gold Mine, Excavation Sitr and Underground Green House.
- Decreased building time of some buildings, from small scale change to large scale change.
- Increased repair rate of all buildings with variations, from small scale to large scale change.
- Added a Very Easy Mode.
- Refactored some triggers again.

v3.0
- Seventh Official Release of the Map.
- v3.x series will be the final versions.
- Fixed Hard Mode Enemy Scaling over time System.
- Increased immolation interval of Koishi and Flandre to reduce lag, but the rate of damage per second reimains unchanged.
- Units cannot no longer transport to another unfinished burrow.
- Increased Final Boss's Tentacle Spawn cooldown.
- Worker movement speed on Final Stage (until boss is defeated) will now retain the decrease effect even when downgraded or upgraded.
- Melee Military Units' acquisition range slightly increased.
- Marines are nerfed in terms of damage, attack rate, HP and food cost.
- Added tooltips on Blueprints for Mechanical-only items to work correctly.
- Decreased Military Expedite's upgrade to 15% Attack Rate.
- Changed Military Expedite's Movement Speed Increase to 15.
- Fixed Quest Logs for long texts being unreadable.

v3.0a
- Seventh Official Release of the Map. This is a quick update.
- v3.x series will be the final versions.
- Reverted Shop Client Acquisition range to default (350).
- Fixed Final Rush completion bug that makes it repeat.
- Added a Damage System to Emergency C4 for PvP purposes.
- Increased Chen and her Champions' HP and regeneration.
- Decreased production time for Life Orb.
- Decreased item cost of Critical Necklace to 350.
- Decreased Golden Bracelet Damage Output to 10.
- Slightly decreased production time for Golden Bracelet.
- Changed Hall upgrade sequence requirements from Gate to Walls.
- Reduced Battle Golem's Taunt to 45 seconds.

v3.1
- Eighth Official Release of the Map.
- v3.x series will be the final versions.
- Reworked on Chen and her Champions.
- Chen has less Evasion now.
- Chii and Faye both have less base HP now.
- Decreased damage output of Chii and Faye.
- Reworked on Chen's attack speed so that it is dependent on Chii's buff.
- Increased Crazed Pickpocket's HP.
- Decreased upgrade time of all Mines and Mills.

v3.2a
- Updated from v3.1 to add missing key features.
- Added a Bulk Buying system for Military Units and Trinket Boutique only.
- Fixed a misplaced icon positioning for Critical Necklace.

v3.2b
- Updated from v3.1 to add missing key features.
- This map is still for testing purposes for v3.3.
- Decreased Faye's buff of damage increase to Chen.
- Chen's attack speed decreased.
- Decreased Jamaja's splash damage over structures.
- Decreased armor and health regeneration of Jamaja.
- Bounce attacks will not hit the same enemy anymore.
- Bounce radius increased.
- Helicopter Multishot range increased.
- Houses are now faster to build and repair.
- Better Houses now give 5 food, and is now faster to build and repair.
- Vacant Lots and their upgrades now produce 3 food.
- Vacant Lots now have a limit of 15.
- Jamaja's Tentacle spawn rate increased.
- Fixed Tentacles AI and beefed them up.
- All items balanced.
- Added -find functions. Check Logs for instructions.
- Improved dependency equivalence.
- Disabled -give command... for now.
- Charger has now a limit of 4.

v3.3
- New official and stable release of the map!
- Fixed multiple Manager creation bug.
- Power Build of Assistant Builder is now instant, and cooldown is reduced.
- Fixed misplaced icon of Lighting the Beacon.
- Reverted Chen's attack speed from the nerf hammer.
- Slightly increased Chen's evasion. She's too easy now even with Champion buffs.
- Heavily refactored enemy AI.
- Improved some of the unique abilities of enemies.
- Nothing would spawn anymore after winning the game.
- Slightly nerfed Tentacles.
- Slightly beefed Jamaja from the nerf hammer last version.
- Slightly increased Tentacle Spawn rate.
- Fixed the PvP system from giving projectile vision.
- Fixed Cold Tower model problems.
- Added Helper Towers.
- Buildable Cold Towers removed.
- Reassigned techtree requirements, shortcuts and button positoin of structures.
- Refactored the structures that can be built to fix a dependency equivalence bug.
- Modified Point Values for Triggering and as well as Score Board Calculation.
- Gate does not reposition anymore and is not allowed to be opened if there is a unit in it's pathing.
- Improved Imbued Splash Tower and Tank splash range.
- Fixed Locomotive's attack type.
- Fixed attack animation v.s. projectile launch of Tank and Locomotive.
- Changed and swapped a few projectile arts for relevance.
- Added exploding death effects to all units.
- Increased slow duration of Bolt Discharger.
- Fixed Witch's stats and cost.
- Increased aquisition range of all allied units.
- Main Builder Power Build now only sets the construction progress to 99%.
- Charger Repair icons now have a proper autocast button art.
- Barriers now have a limit of 5.
- Removed Test Mode completely.
- Accordingly colored tooltips for readability.

v4.0
- Major stability update of the map.
- Map player size has decreased to 7 from 10.
- Insanes now have 5 color identifiers.
- Choppy movements severely reduced.
- Pests now belong to Brown Insanes only.
- Quitter's Chargers won't get destroyed anymore.
- Slightly buffed Chen in stats and abilities.
- Fixed a fatal bug in stopping enemy stat improvement over time.
- Refactored Spawn limit.

v4.0a
- Major stability update of the map.
- Fixed a buggy remnant of the fatal bug said from the previous version.
- Fixed a few tooltips as well.

v4.0b
- Major stability update of the map.
- Patch fix for versions v4.0 and v4.0a.
- Fixed the fatal bug problems of v4.0 and v4.0a. Problems still persisted even when the said fix was done.
- Fixed more tooltip errors. Minor details only, though.

v4.1
- Balance changes of the map.
- Strengthened Towers.
- Greatly improved Military Unit stats.
- Removed game end time.
- Treated projectile vision alliance bug a feature... for now. Just added a few lines to remove vision of unused player slots.

v4.5
- Adjusted enemy stats.
- Power spikes reduced for all modes.
- Removed "Ping" art since the minimap is not accurate.
- Adjusted Item prices from what they're worth.



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15:38, 7th May 2015 Orcnet: "] Damn I manage to last a few minutes from those excessive siege units attacking me from everywhere, it would be nice if siege units has level hp and damage, while pierce or normal units have big base damage and...
  1. 15:38, 7th May 2015
    Orcnet:

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    Damn I manage to last a few minutes from those excessive siege units attacking me from everywhere, it would be nice if siege units has level hp and damage, while pierce or normal units have big base damage and considerably some high hit points or so, that way my base would not explode in less than seconds whenever I establish a base.

    Also I suggest increasing the speed of constructing buildings since the map is full tons of enemy creeps, this gives me and my team extreme disadvantage in keeping up the construction.

    Overall, map can be approved and I really had fun lasting the fight.
     
  2. blancfaye7

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    Please tell me if there is anything I missed out to fill up the information about this map. Thank you.
     
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    You have created what is arguably the worst tutorial in the history of anything.
    It combines all the worst elements of game tutorials (unnecessary hand holding, loss of control) and uses them in the same tutorial?

    Do you honestly believe that in the year 2015, people need a tutorial on how to use the standard build interface?
    Also why is the "real game" only playable via LAN?

    Balance wise, the game is broken.
    If you lose any building, you will never be able to build it back (build times are atrociously slow). But that doesn't matter, because the game can be beaten without building a thing. Also, because you have so many units, your pathing system breaks after about 3 mins of play.

    Blink is pointless since a fifteen second cast time will never be a good idea.

    You can have the best description, custom music, load-screens etc.
    But you lack any real map worth playing, so none of that matters.
    Its a real pity that a map that was insta-rejected last month for lack of description, basically was a better version of this.


    Edit: Issues fixed
     
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    Finally, some real comments.
    May you enumerate your suggestions of how I can improve the game?
    I shall edit the SinglePlayer scripts by then, if it is unreasonable.

    How is it broken? Is it also broken in Gold and Lumber? Should I reduce the number of units then (enemy side) and increase their quality? But then again... that would make the player number reduce, which is totally okay for me.

    Thanks for commenting on Blink. I will edit it to something better, or remove it completely.

    That is not a tutorial about using the build interface. It's about setting the players of how the game can be played and what vital buildings can be used in the duration of the game. You can comment further of how I can improve that, because that wasn't supposedly the point of the tutorial at all.
     
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    Your attitude isn't helping anyone here. Giving criticisms is one thing, bashing someone's work is another. Using words like "worst", "X ability is pointless", "your game is broken", "not worth playing", etc can only beat down the enthusiasm of a mapmaker. Why don't you help him instead of bashing him? Use terms like "I'd advice you to do that", "you can improve X, Y", "that thing isn't working properly" and so on. I am sure you know the drill, but you still go full offensive mode on the dude for no apperant reason.
     
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    As I already explained.
    - Your pathing system breaks after about 3 minutes. Your game uses a fixed length of 1 hour 20 mins, this means that for a vast majority of game time, your pathing is not working.
    - Game can be beaten without building anything thanks to reason 1.


    Thing is that your map is far, far too simple to even warrant a tutorial, let alone one that so stupidly restrictive. Simply giving the player the freedom to build and experiment with whatever would be a better new user experience anyday.
    You combine that with the map being non playable in single player, and the experience is really cringe-y.
    Despite that, I gave a damn to play out this map.
    I can assure you most people will not.

    If I wanted to go full offensive, I would insult the creator, not the map.

    I only use words like "worst" because I truly have never seen a tutorial this ham-fisted and pointless in its delivery. You want a see a map that treats its players like idiots? here you go.

    I only use words like "useless" on certain abilities, because they are so conceptually broken that no amount of buffing or number tweaking can justify the player using them as a sound tactical option.

    If anything, its probably because this map was the definition of all presentation, no substance. Which left me rather disappointed.
     
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    Alright thanks for the review. I shall see to it that some changes must be made, though I have probably cannot change some things such as the map lag; I thought I have removed this, but I guess switching to a newer laptop was quite discriminating of me. I will really have to decrease player size as well as decrease spawn size.

    Okay this is my first released map. I have no background even in making Tutorials, someone just advised me to make information about each structure's information. So I just have to give freedom and make the player experiment. I shall look into this.

    Thanks for even playing the map and reviewed it; you're right though, nobody has the time to play this map because of reasons unknown to me.

    Maybe, this is one of those, but there could be more or less.

    Hopefully, I can edit the map ASAP, but I kinda am studying for my OJT. Little chance is that I may not even edit this; hopefully I do change it.
     
  8. Kino

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    Let me put it simply.
    Your map is unplayable because of the pathing. If you do not fix it, it will continue to be unplayable.
    Your map doesn't simply "lag", it doesn't work.

    Tooltips and forcing the player to build structures in a set order to complete a tutorial is different thing. Your map doesn't have any features that need specific explanations, everything from building to the main objective is very straightforward.

    To be honest, all you need is tooltips that explain what each building does.

    People have time to play the map.
    - They don't have the patience to put up with your heavy-handed yet pointless tutorial.
    - They don't have patience to put up with maps that only work over LAN for no explicable reason.
    - They don't have the patience to sit through 1hour 20mins of mediocre builder-defence especially when combined with the above.
    - They don't have the patience to play a slow and buggy map. None is going to sit through your map even of the last 5 min is great.

    There you go, some reasons.

    Even if the pathing worked fine, this map is just one of many builder-defence maps that have been made over the years. Its not exceptional in how creatve or polished it is.
    Its also incredibly slow and has a tech tree too shallow for a something that lasts 1hour 20mins.
     
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    Okay back from office OJT work. I can post in more detail now and I'll give a rollback on few past posts.
    I want to make it clear of what do you really mean by pathing? You cannot build? Units go around pointlessly? I don't get quite what you're trying to say. Is this about the trees? Or Units walking along walls?

    As I said, the tutorial is not about how the player plays Warcraft III, but just a quick briefing of what structures are vital. How can that make the player look stupid? You are right about Tooltips, but it's still nice to give the player an ahead overview.
    If that made you feel this way, I'm sorry, but this has just been suggested by other players. I do not only post my Map Development on Hive.
    If Tutorial is not the proper term for giving the player an overview, then enlighten me

    The real game is only available through LAN because it is to avoid cheats. Though personally, I dislike this. Maybe I will try removing this, since experimentation builds and extensive testing are as important. I like your notion of giving the player freedom, but I think they should just do that on Easy/Normal/Hard Modes.
    Of course, I need to remove the Single Limit crap.

    Trust me, you won't win the game without building something. Unless cheated, then its impossible. You gotta reach the near-end game. You need to actually play it. Okay okay, my map sucks for you, for you to avoid playing it, but then again, without playing the map extensively, one cannot say fully about it. Sorry but you got to stick around more on the "sucky" game for an effective comment at mid to end game. Though I am still glad that many things have been spotted at early stages.

    He is quite helping, in his own way. I can accept it, but then again some people can't help being discouraged still... :( But I hope that won't break me.

    I see. Maybe not the Hivers (I can say; not a lot of comments have been made in the Hive's Map Dev thread.), but a lot of other people in other communities enjoy it, even being mediocre, heck, the concept is overused indeed, but still people would love to see new games with the same overly used concepts, because we all have different insights about these.

    I would like to iterate again about the bug. Clearly explain to me the Pathing System, since I may have a different dictionary of Pathing with yours.

    I think I remember I said to fix this. Thanks for pointing it out.

    At balance, this game is not broken. Well except for late game because I have not gathered much data about it even on other communities. Early to mid game is already good if you know how to use your economy right, or how fast you can efficiently build your base. It is highly recommended that the game is played in 2 players, but I did not remove the option of making the game playable on single player. (I still need to remove that Single Player Crap. Haha!)

    Okay summarizing... I really really need to know about that pathing system you mentioned. I really don't get it. I have not experienced anything at all regarding pathing with all the tests done (in my dictionary of pathing, that is.)
     
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    Its about how after 3 mins, your enemies stop attacking and just idle around.
    Which allows you to beat the game without building anything, since they simply stop attacking after 3 mins.

    As long as you kite the bosses, nothing can kill you.
    Yes I didn't play to the very end, because frankly putting a unit on patrol for 30 mins and nothing happening got old quite fast.

    Challenge accepted.
     
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    !

    Ah dang! I totally forgot to put that spawn cap limit! Many thanks for pointing that out. Of course the map will lag, as it spawns endlessly without limit.

    Kiting bosses is one tactic that I have accepted. I do need a smarter AI for this though.
    Is this something that I still need to cover up? I did assume that nobody would ever try to play with all players kiting, right?

    Even so, the end-game is not simply all about surviving, you have to kill something...

    EDIT: Though I think I will add a Sanity System if it's really required to cover up that patrol thing.

    EDIT 2: I hope I get to edit this ASAP. Need to sleep already. I still have OJT work.
     
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    Kino, not sure what you're talking about tbh. I played this game with a few friends online, and the creeps definitely kept attacking us all the way through (we got about 20 mins into the game). Also, I get the thing about the tutorial being a little pointless, I think it would be best to just remove it. It isn't necessary.
     
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    Alright. I shall see to it to talk to others about it too.
    Thanks for playing the game and for this comment!

    EDIT: Also, the creeps kinda stop attacking because he made the enemies stack without killing anything from the start of the game. I forgot to put the limitter trigger of this. The enemies stacked so much that the enemy AI doesn't know which to command; thus stop.
     
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    I am going to update the map this Saturday (on my time) with the desired changes.

    EDIT: Ugh. I can't promise that I can do this changes today. I may need to do it tomorrow I think. Life is just getting busier and busier. :(
     
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    The map is updated to version v2.1
    (Requesting title change to Insanity Attack only in order to avoid confusion.)

    I have applied the changes made as listed within the changelogs.
     
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    Nice description :thumbs_up:
    Looks like the map has a lot of update. I will try to play this and comment what I think about it.
     
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    The map in-game says v2.0, but it's actually v2.1. I thought i changed that... ANyway, please forgive me. I'll change that on next major update.

    I also forgot to remove SinglePlayer checker. Forgive me once again. I have so many things to think about :(
     
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    Here are my comments with few suggestions on your map.
    - The map certainly has enough information at the start. I see that you disabled the map to be playable in Single Player
    to avoid using cheats like greedisgood or whosyourdaddy.
    - The time for the host player to choose the difficulty is kinda long.
    - The Building's Tooltips provide enough information (but some has some weird description like Bazaar Weaponry)
    - The Destroy Building Icon looks like a passive ability. You should replace this with an active ability button (it will take less than 5 minutes to do that).
    - The Multiboard seems kinda useless (suggestion: put the Player's Resources in the multiboard)
    - After losing three times, I still cannot upgrade to Advanced Hall because I can't see the 'Gate'.
    - The Quest Board is done well providing really useful information.
    - The map has a lot of chat commands which results to a wide variety of game results making it not repetitive.
     
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    Thanks for the comments and suggestions.
    I think I need to reduce the time then to initialize the map.

    The Gate Upgrade is actually on the Wall. You need to complete one wall to see the upgrade.

    I also found a good destroy active icon.

    I'll still remove the single player mode for single player tests at least. I need late game feedbacks anyway.

    The Multiboard is only there for alliance change purposes to determine which player to go declare war on.

    I shall take note of this and update the map ASAP.

    EDIT: I have instead divided the initialization to make sure everything is initialized. The time that the host can choose the mode will remain the same sadly :(. But then I displayed messages this time. Quest Logs are now available before the actual start of game.
     
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