INcreasing the Size of Special effects

[hdm]

Is possible to increase the size of missiles/effects/abilities and some other special efffects like we do with units (we just increase the scaling value) ? Like the effect of Silence (the white thing on the ground).

 

[BloodDrunk]

Not really, but you can create dummy with the model of your special effect and just increase the size of the dummy
That's how I deal with it.

 

[Dr Super Good]

In WC3 you have very limited options to scale effects. Special Effects by themselves cannot be scaled. Attached special effects inherit the scale value of the unit you attach them to. Missiles can be made to inherit the scale of the unit you attach them to (Boolean flag in object editor). This means that the only way to scale a special effect is to use a dummy model that has no actual visible geometry and a single attachment point at its origin which you use to create the effects by setting its scale and then creating the effect at the origin. Very ugly...

StarCraft II improved upon this with its actor system. Not only can you change the scale of models in the model catalogue but you can also use actor messages to change the scale of individual actors as required. Consider using SC2 if your project is still in early development stages.

 

[Kartron]

it's easy, create a dummy unit(with locust ability), change it's model to a spell effect and do something like this:

• silence
  • Events
    • Unit - An unit start to cast ability
  • Conditions
    • (Ability being cast) Equal to (your silence spell there)
  • Actions
    • Unit - Create 1 Dummy(your effect) for (Owner of (Triggering unit)) at (Target point of ability being cast) facing degrees
    • Unit - Add a 3.00 second Generic expiration timer to (Triggering unit)

EDIT: forgot to tell you that you can resize your dummy unit for bigger effects

 

[Adiktuz]

Or in case you don't want to make 1 dummy object on the OE per effect:

Import Dummy.mdx (some spell maps have it)

Make a dummy that uses that model (just so you have attachment points)

Then whenever you need an effect,

Create a unit of the Dummy
Use SetUnitScale (or the GUI counterpart if it exists) to resize it
Attach your effect to the unit
Add an expiration timer to the unit

 

[hdm]

So If I increase the size of a unit and attach any effect on that big unit the effect will have increased size too ?

 

[Adiktuz]

yes, the effects scale to the size of the unit where it's attached

 

[GreeN!X]

Though not everything in a special effect will scale correctly though. Like particle emitters for fires, water and stuff. So if you want to scale those effects, you'd have to do the editing stuff.

 

[HandsOfficial]

it's easy, create a dummy unit(with locust ability), change it's model to a spell effect and do something like this:

• silence
  • Events
    • Unit - An unit start to cast ability
  • Conditions
    • (Ability being cast) Equal to (your silence spell there)
  • Actions
    • Unit - Create 1 Dummy(your effect) for (Owner of (Triggering unit)) at (Target point of ability being cast) facing degrees
    • Unit - Add a 3.00 second Generic expiration timer to (Triggering unit)

EDIT: forgot to tell you that you can resize your dummy unit for bigger effects

you make a dummy unit and give it the locust ability? what? lol

 

[Dr Super Good]

you make a dummy unit and give it the locust ability? what? lol

I think what was discussed here is no longer relevant given the topic is roughly 7 years old. In the run up to Reforged many new natives were added that allow more control over special effects allowing them to replace units.

 

[HandsOfficial]

I think what was discussed here is no longer relevant given the topic is roughly 7 years old. In the run up to Reforged many new natives were added that allow more control over special effects allowing them to replace units.

after 20 min i still cant find a decent dummy tutorial btw. also everything in this thread doesn't work (atleast for pulverize as its not technically an ability being cast? (passive/proc ability)
should be a simple trigger to get a dummy to spawn with the dummy's model being what you want the effect going off to be
but it doesnt spawn.

 

[Chaosy]

What you are describing DOES work. If it doesn't, you should share the trigger.

That being said, it is an outdated solution, in 1.30 (or maybe 1.29) there is a GUI action to change special effect size.
Needless to say this only works if its an effect created by triggers, not something from the object editor.

In that case you'd need to modify the model itself.

 

[HandsOfficial]

What you are describing DOES work. If it doesn't, you should share the trigger.

That being said, it is an outdated solution, in 1.30 (or maybe 1.29) there is a GUI action to change special effect size.
Needless to say this only works if its an effect created by triggers, not something from the object editor.

In that case you'd need to modify the model itself.

this doesnt work and idk why. seems pretty basic and that it should work. maybe my dummy is incorrect with its OE stats? i gave it locust ability made it invulnerable. gave it the model (its a wisp base model btw) of the effect i want to show. idk.

EDIT: i guess someone told me its because it's not an ability. its like a basic attack or whatever. the game wont read pulverize (what im using as the ability) as "an ability" it is on hit or whatever. RIP

 

[Chaosy]

Sounds like you figured it out.
Yes, it is quite difficult to detect when a passive effect procs.

Honestly, it's easier to code the ability from scratch so you have full control.
Or, as I said modify the original model and scale it up and just replace the default one in the object editor.

 

[HandsOfficial]

Sounds like you figured it out.
Yes, it is quite difficult to detect when a passive effect procs.

Honestly, it's easier to code the ability from scratch so you have full control.
Or, as I said modify the original model and scale it up and just replace the default one in the object editor.

i dont understand what you mean someone else told me something similar but in a different way:
modify the original model? then replace it in the OE? is that in Advanced -> Game Inferface or something? im confused

 

[Chaosy]

Spells have a model field that decides which effect it uses.

I don't know how to scale a model, as I have used other work-arounds instead.
But the idea is something similar to this:
1. Use a MPQ editor (or CASC editor for later patches) to extract the model used for the pulverize effect
2. Open in a model edit program and scale up the model somehow
3. import the edited model
4. set the model used in pulverize object editor to the edited model

 

[HandsOfficial]

Spells have a model field that decides which effect it uses.

I don't know how to scale a model, as I have used other work-arounds instead.
But the idea is something similar to this:
1. Use a MPQ editor (or CASC editor for later patches) to extract the model used for the pulverize effect
2. Open in a model edit program and scale up the model somehow
3. import the edited model
4. set the model used in pulverize object editor to the edited model

ahhh okay.
i think imma just download a new model (made with intensions to be used as an effect) lol T_T