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In-Depth Reviews: The Sequel

Discussion in 'Map Development' started by Dark.Revenant, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. Dark.Revenant

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    Original Thread Here

    This is the summer continuation of the original map review thread (the first on Hive, iirc, since after mine came many others, but I never noticed any beforehand). This time, I have a new review system and a much different policy on handling reviews.

    Code (Text):
    [B][U]Review Bank[/U][/B] (by rank)
    [COLOR=#ffffff]Old[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff99cc]Less Old[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffcc00]New[/COLOR]

    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1191253-post20.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Brotherhood of Kenji[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]A-[/B]
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1180940-post4.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Warlock[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]A-[/B]
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/739438-post111.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Tetris[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]A-[/B] (4.31)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1196814-post51.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Symbiote[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]B+[/B]
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/730586-post88.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]DotA: Allstars[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]B[/B] (3.88)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/745134-post135.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Cannon Defense[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]B[/B] (3.88)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/972273-post182.html"][COLOR=#ff99cc]Unmercy Balls[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]B[/B] (3.70)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/729109-post72.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Invoker War[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]C+[/B] (3.35)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/720850-post22.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]The Zre Diamond[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]C+[/B] (3.35)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/751792-post148.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Dread Wars[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]C[/B] (3.15)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1189650-post16.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Summoning Arena[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]C[/B]
    [COLOR=#ffcc00]Pimp My Nigger[/COLOR]: [B]C-[/B]
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1194505-post38.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Greed and Glory[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D+[/B]
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/719138-post11.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Galactic Conquest[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D+[/B] (2.55)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/969981-post167.html"][COLOR=#ff99cc]Defense of Armengar[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D+[/B] (2.55)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/729422-post77.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Random AoS[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D[/B] (2.30)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/718891-post5.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Police Catch Thief[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D[/B] (2.24)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/737254-post97.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]spiceant Succes Training[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D[/B] (2.20)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/720683-post19.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Eternity of Azjol-Nerub[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D[/B] (2.10)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1198274-post54.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Bille's Ninja Wars[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D[/B]
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/725254-post45.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]WarCraft Maul[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]D-[/B] (1.83)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/726881-post52.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Stargate: The New Conflict[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]F-[/B] (1.05)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/737401-post99.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Iblis' Rule[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]X[/B] (1.00)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/723733-post36.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]Halo Battle Grounds[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]X[/B] (1.00)
    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1194505-post38.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00]Digimon ORPG[/COLOR][/URL]: [B]F-[/B]

    [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1194505-post38.html"][COLOR=#ffcc00](Digimon ORPG Video Review)[/COLOR][/URL]
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    [B][U]Waiting Line[/U][/B] (by date)
    Nightsong Operatives: [I]Queued[/I]
    Oblivion map: [I]Queued[/I]
    EPIC TD: [I]Rejected[/I]

    Rules

    1. Only users with 0 or higher reputation (no negrep users) are eligible to request a map.
    2. You must have either at least 25 posts OR 5 reputation to request a map.
    3. Users with 50 or more posts AND 10 or more reputation can request that their own map be reviewed; otherwise you may only request a map someone else made.
    4. I will decide which maps to review. If I don't feel like playing it, there's no way you could possibly force me to do otherwise.
    5. Do not whine if your map is reviewed and given a bad score. I will PM the owner of each requested map if possible, telling the owner that their map might be reviewed. The owner is able to deny the review at any time before it is posted.
    6. Multiple requests for the same map (from different people) will bump the map up the queue so it will be reviewed sooner.


    Example Review

    Review updated...

    Ratings
    Fun (X/10)
    Enjoyment (X/4): How enjoyable playing the map is. This is extremely important.
    Thrill (X/2): How well the map can get your heart pumping, or at least interested.
    X-Factor (X/3): The charm/epicness and memorable-ness of the map. This can make a huge difference.
    Coolness (X/1): How cool the map is. This is a general term. Getting a low score here means the map is awkward.

    Gameplay (X/10)
    Balancing (X/2): How even the map is. If a specific object or player has a stupid advantage/disadvantage, this score will be low.
    Replayability (X/4): VERY important - this is the measure of how slowly the map gets old.
    Dynamics (X/2): How well the map varies its play and keeps it relevant, effective, and such.
    Flow/Progression (X/2): How well the map's flow of gameplay (things leading to victory or defeat) works. This score also includes how well the map gives a sense of progression, from start to finish.

    Originality (X/5)
    Freshness (X/2): How fresh the map's take on the genre is. If it creates a new genre, this score will almost certainly be the full 2 or higher.
    Novelty (X/1): Does the map add something to the genre? Not getting a 1 or higher here is a bad sign. Unoriginal maps, especially clones, will have highly negative numbers here.
    Creativity (X/2): Does the map take advantage of its position by introducing the greatest variety it can get away with? If so, this score will be high.

    Polish (X/5)
    Quality (X/2): How well put-together the map is.
    Optimization (X/1): If the map runs badly, this score will be low.
    Immersion (X/2): Does the map make you definitely feel "in the game"? If so, this score will be high.

    Scoring: Fun and Gameplay are out of 10, while Polish and Originality are out of 5. There are a total 14 subcategories, each with various maximum scores that add up to make the category score. These sub-categories can have scores above their maximum if the game is unusually excellent in that area, and their scores can go below 0 if they are the map is unbelievably awful in said area. The bug level is simply a number from 0-10 of how bad the bugs were in the game. Lower numbers are generally a count, larger numbers are an approximation because I will lose count by then. If the bugs are just unbelievably ridiculous, I'll add a SECOND layer to the bug level bar so that the number will go to 11-20, and so on. A map receiving a bug level of 20 is pretty much unplayable, anyways. The three checkboxes are basic qualities of the map I'm looking for. It must not cause crashes (doesn't count if its a generic WC3 crash - it has to be a reproducible crash in order to count against you), it must have credits, and you must be able to reach a reasonable victory/defeat, or victory/defeat box (finishing the map) through normal gameplay. If you're missing one of the checkboxes, your score will be severely impacted. If you're missing more than one, I will not grade the map at all. Merits and Demerits go below the checkboxes, and will change based on the map. Some only have one level, some have two, and a couple have up to three levels of quality/awfulness. The section also expands to hold greater amounts of merits and demerits, if needed. The final grade of the map is shown through an "experience bar"-like graphic, and a letter grade. This ranges from F- to A+, and then to S for maps that are ridiculously good and receive well over the regular maximum score. Sadly, I don't think that I will ever get to use S.

    Edit: Added maximum scores to the review images, changes max grade to S from R.
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2009
  2. WraithSeeker

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  3. Dark.Revenant

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    I've got 12 weeks of time to do this...

    Last time, when I had no time to do reviews, I got swamped with half a dozen per day, yet this time when I can actually do some, nobody seems it's worth their time. The reason I don't want people to request their own map (unless they're a regular user) is that I don't enjoy playing Joe's NiggerMaul. I'd rather play maps that had real value and effort put into them. By requesting someone else's map, it assures that someone would enjoy the review, and that the map would more than likely be competent. You can request a friend's map, certainly, so long as you have the required 50 posts or 5 rep (very easy requirement).

    Edit: Example review updated to reflect my actual thoughts.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2009
  4. Dark.Revenant

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    What? Absolutely nobody wants a review (or even bothered to look at the thread)?

    Well, I reviewed Warlock to show what a mostly-positive review would look like.
    Warlock Review
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2009
  5. Dark.Revenant

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    Does nobody have any maps?

    BUMP for falling off the page anyone could ever care about.
     
  6. Septimus

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    Ok, since you have no request. I make request for you. I am running out of idea for battle cinematic anyway.

    Brotherhood Of Kenji
    The Confrontation

    I have a few question though.

    1) Why no you review those map at map section? It could prove to be helpful even though there is a few map reviewer exist at map section.
    2) Don't you think 500 was rather high? Maybe because that is the reason why nobody make request? As far as I know, only new user are the one who often seek for helpful review.

    3) Why not make a rating of 5 out of 5 just like hive, it could be helpful as well.
     
  7. HyperActive

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    I would like if you could review my map, Greed and Glory. The link to it is in my sig. It's not 100% done, but the basics, and more actually is finished, and it's in a playable state, so I would like very much for an in-depth review. Please be as harsh as you can, I could use a neutral person's opinion.
     
  8. Nogusta

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    What Septimus said is true. I wish I could request other maps to be reviewed, but I can't according to your rules. I am something of a map tester myself, and there are many that deserve more exposure.
     
  9. Septimus

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    Read his rules before you ask for review.
     
  10. HyperActive

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    You mean this:
    Well, this sucks. I thought as there were not that many maps he is reviewing he would have time and want to review mine.
    Never mind then, sorry.
     
  11. Zack1996

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    What he said, review his map :D
    I played it and found it rather entertaining. Please have it reviewed if you're free.
     
  12. Dark.Revenant

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    I revised the rules a little to make them a bit more... fair.

    Currently on the queue are Brotherhood of Kenji, Greed and Gold, Summoning Arena, and Symbiote.
     
  13. Sinizi

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    Would be nice if you would look at my map (link in sign). It does not contain AI yet, so it's mostly enjoyable online/LAN. If you got any tips after trying I would like to hear them aswell :)

    Thanks
    -Sinizi
     
  14. TheGentleman

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    Review DotA hurr durr.
     
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    i would be happy if you can review one of my 2 arcade maps. (both betaversion)

    You found them in my "little" signature.
     
  16. Dark.Revenant

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    Another Review

    It seems gamestargamer and Sinizi don't meet the required 50 posts and 10 rep to request their own map (yes, I'm enforcing the rule now)... If someone else wants the map reviewed, I'll add it to the queue.

    This time this review was for a special request. I'm not sure if it was truly wise to request this, but here goes...

    Sx'Summoning Arena
     

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  17. Zack1996

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    His map has some potential. Worth reviewing. Its an arena map where you choose heroes and fight creeps and other heroes. Never tried it in Multiplayer though, but worth testing out.
    If you're free, review this too XD

    gamestargamer, I haven't tried your maps. I would check it out and recommend it for reviewing if I find it worth Dark.Revenant's reviews (his reviews are awesome!)
     
  18. Sinizi

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    Im glad that you tried it Zack1996, very, but I would have loved if you wrote it in my post so I knew that it wasn't totally out in the cold :p no offense at all ;)
     
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    Thanks, looking towards to your review.
     
  20. Dark.Revenant

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    Greed and Glory has been postponed until monday since I had quite a deal of things to do today.

    However, Septimus' cinematic was still fair game so here's the review:

    (oh, keep in mind that maps that score A- or higher get special map name coloring just as a cosmetic feature. A- gets one color, A gets up to two, A+ gets up to three, and R would get four)

    Brotherhood of Kenji