Icon Recolor Reformation

GhostThruster · Aug 25, 2011

Don't think they should be approved or have a section of their own. Please just get rid of them.

rysnt11 · Aug 25, 2011

now they have been get Approved

InfernalTater · Aug 25, 2011

It's good that a lot of the recolor icons were removed.
Last night, I surfed through two pages of recolored icons, and I was having trouble finding the quality freehand ones. So, Trax, don't try to tell me there were only one or two. There were dozens, now it's been cut down to a reasonable number.
To Trax, the time, effort, and talent required used to be a factor in a resource's rating, and how likely it was to be accepted. This is why models with texture swaps, but no geoset changes, are still rejected, because there is no time, effort, or skill required to make them.
Also, Trax, I actually am experienced in making icons, skins, and models. I simply do not upload them to hive.
Trax, the only reason you are so deep in support for recolors is that the only thing you've ever made is recolors, and so if they were not accepted, you would have no resources. When having a view on a rule, you need to exclude any personal benefits, and look at how the rule affects others.
Yes, I am aware that not every recolor is accepted. The problem is that recolors only take a few seconds to make, and so people can easily flood the icon section with their attempts. Even if these are not approved, and get rejected, the icon section will still be flooded over and over again, causing moderators to constantly have to reject/approve more and more icons.
The hive workshop is lowering the bar by allowing recolors. When a new rule corresponds with the upload rate over doubling, it's obvious that the quality of the resources is lowering. This used to be my destination for high-quality resources that were a direct result of the hard work of members of hive.

rysnt11 · Aug 25, 2011

Agreed with you TLI, flooded section isn't good at all

kola · Aug 25, 2011

There isn't even 2 dozens of recolors in the icon section unless your counting kola's nerd rage. Nice try though.

haha.. not raging. I want the recolors to be accepted, I said it many times. If they are useful, then make it and upload it, But right now i can count about 4-5 that actually are looking useful. So yesterday, I was looking at this and I was like, Wtf, is everyone picking a random icon and then recoloring it with another random color.

InfernalTater · Aug 25, 2011

kola said:
haha.. not raging. I want the recolors to be accepted, I said it many times. If they are useful, then make it and upload it, But right now i can count about 4-5 that actually are looking useful. So yesterday, I was looking at this and I was like, Wtf, is everyone picking a random icon and then recoloring it with another random color.

GhostThruster · Aug 25, 2011

@TLI-Inferno:

Crappy recolors:
...
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnladyorc-202324/?prev=r=20&page=2

*Greatest recolour in the whole wide world:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnladyorc-202324/?prev=r=20&page=2

I3lackDeath · Aug 25, 2011

I'd vote for an admin to close this shit already. The rule has been settled, stop bitching. >_>

InfernalTater · Aug 25, 2011

I3lackDeath said:
I'd vote for an admin to close this shit already. The rule has been settled, stop bitching. >_>

Hive is nothing without its members, and if the administrators and moderators are as good as they used to be, they'll listen to what we have to say. The decision is theirs to make, but we don't have to like it.

Traxamillion · Aug 26, 2011

So, Trax, don't try to tell me there were only one or two. There were dozens, now it's been cut down to a reasonable number.

I never said there was one or two I said there was 22. You have trouble reading.

To Trax, the time, effort, and talent required used to be a factor in a resource's rating, and how likely it was to be accepted. This is why models with texture swaps, but no geoset changes, are still rejected, because there is no time, effort, or skill required to make them.

That's because the recolor rules only apply to icons no one said anything about models or skins. Also once again time has no correlation with usefulness.

Also, Trax, I actually am experienced in making icons, skins, and models. I simply do not upload them to hive.

hahahahahhahahaha, Ya me too also im a billionaire an astronaut and I created Blizzard, but there isn't any proof.

Trax, the only reason you are so deep in support for recolors is that the only thing you've ever made is recolors, and so if they were not accepted, you would have no resources.

I've supported recolors for the reason I stated about 3 other times and its because they are useful much more than the shit most icon makers create.

When having a view on a rule, you need to exclude any personal benefits, and look at how the rule affects others.

All of your arguments have been part of a personal vendetta. As proven by every comment you make on all the recolors it makes you mad brah.

Yes, I am aware that not every recolor is accepted. The problem is that recolors only take a few seconds to make, and so people can easily flood the icon section with their attempts.

For the 10th time usefulness does not correlate with time that argument is old overused and invalid.

Even if these are not approved, and get rejected, the icon section will still be flooded over and over again, causing moderators to constantly have to reject/approve more and more icons.

The icon section is a slow section anyway it gives the mods something to do; furthermore, it has guidelines so it should take less time for a mod to pass judgement on the icon than it took to make the icon.

The hive workshop is lowering the bar by allowing recolors

Just because you fail to understand change does not mean the hive is anything you state.

When a new rule corresponds with the upload rate over doubling, it's obvious that the quality of the resources is lowering.

Honestly you have said this 15 times all in different ways.

This used to be my destination for high-quality resources that were a direct result of the hard work of members of hive.

Obviously you didn't know what wc3c is.

TLI-Inferno said:
Hive is nothing without its members, and if the administrators and moderators are as good as they used to be, they'll listen to what we have to say. The decision is theirs to make, but we don't have to like it.

You must not be familiar with how the staff runs things because in the past no matter how much the public wants something it does not change the decisions made unless it is made by a higher power.

Pyramidhe@d · Aug 26, 2011

the icon recolour has been turned back. people are posting too much rubbish icons, even when not trolling.
so well done
you were given one chance to use recolours meaningfully and everyone fucked up

rysnt11 · Aug 26, 2011

So, is this mean that the icon recolor rule will be 'disapproved'?

InfernalTater · Aug 26, 2011

Trax, firstly this argument isn't about my personal ability, but if you want proof? Fine, just ask me and I'll pastebin you a link to a dozen models I've made. There's currently a hurricane passing through my other house (not kidding), and there's no telling when the next time I go there will be. As of now, I have my models on this computer, and my icons and skins at the other house. Just say the word and I"ll pastebin them to you. If you need proof that I created them, just ask Frankster, who moderated many of my submissions months ago before I took them down on my own will.

As of your last statement, you couldn't be more wrong. A site with only moderators and administrators is no site; every site needs an active community of members. Without non-administrative members, a site is incomplete.

As to the recolor submissions: I do believe there needs to be a separate section for them, because SOME recolors are useful, while most of them are not. They simply need to be separated from the freehand resources which required much more time and effort. Removing them as a whole would not be good. Check my post on the previous page for some of the recolors which I considered worth keeping, if you were to make a new category for them.

GhostThruster · Aug 26, 2011

@Trax: Dude recolours are definitely not as useful as freehand icons. Recolours can only be based on pre-made Blizz icons; you will barely find anything outside of a purple breath-of-fire. Freehand icons, however, can be any sort of shit, eg. guns, icons of custom models etc. Icons made by users like NFWar will be downloaded and used much more than your blue troll>slightly-purpler-but-still-blue troll recolours IMO.

For the 10th time usefulness does not correlate with time that argument is old overused and invalid.

What are you talking about? It's a WASTE OF TIME making these stupid recolours, no matter how useful they are. I think your energy would be put to better use if you just attached a link of GIMP in your sig and started posting like crazy.

I3lackDeath · Aug 26, 2011

Pyramidhe@d said:
the icon recolour has been turned back. people are posting too much rubbish icons, even when not trolling.
so well done
you were given one chance to use recolours meaningfully and everyone fucked up

Is there any chance that the rule will come sometime in the future with harsher restrictions to users? You should do something about members fucking around, not the rule itself.

InfernalTater · Aug 26, 2011

I3lackDeath said:
Is there any chance that the rule will come sometime in the future with harsher restrictions to users? You should do something about members fucking around, not the rule itself.

I agree; some of the recolors were actually well-done, and it would be nice to see a new section dedicated especially to them; there just need to be harsher standards so that the recolors don't flood the resource section.

anarchianbedlam · Aug 27, 2011

TLI-Inferno said:
I have my models on this computer, and my icons and skins at the other house. Just say the word and I"ll pastebin them to you. If you need proof that I created them, just ask Frankster, who moderated many of my submissions months ago before I took them down on my own will.

Strange, the only models i can see that youve submitted to the model section have been unanimated attachments or poorly retextured nerubians.

But now why are you two making this into a 'whos internet cock is bigger contest'?

To swing this back on topic here...
Geoset edits of blizzard models are approved (assuming they look good/are of acceptable quality). So it would stand to reason that blizzard icon recolors or tweaks (which is just another form of an edited blizzard resource) should be perfectly approvable, assuming they are well done.
Just give the recolors a seperate 'category' in the icon section, or better yet, just a special [TAG] that pops up in the name or the icon or the description.

Lol, just look at how TLI is flipping his nut over this. Its not like allowing recolors is going to stop normal people from uploading their custom icons.

Kuhneghetz · Aug 27, 2011

inb4 someone requests recolour and cnp skins to be acceptable lol.
jk

Anyway,here's my current statement about this:
As long as the recolours and cnp icons can provide usefulness, being only made from wc3 icons and don't look like complete piles of vomit, it's fine by me.
Though the originality rule should be enforced in case someone provides an icon that has already been made and uploaded here.

InfernalTater · Aug 28, 2011

anarchianbedlam said:
Strange, the only models i can see that youve submitted to the model section have been unanimated attachments or poorly retextured nerubians.

But now why are you two making this into a 'whos internet cock is bigger contest'?

To swing this back on topic here...
Geoset edits of blizzard models are approved (assuming they look good/are of acceptable quality). So it would stand to reason that blizzard icon recolors or tweaks (which is just another form of an edited blizzard resource) should be perfectly approvable, assuming they are well done.
Just give the recolors a seperate 'category' in the icon section, or better yet, just a special [TAG] that pops up in the name or the icon or the description.

Lol, just look at how TLI is flipping his nut over this. Its not like allowing recolors is going to stop normal people from uploading their custom icons.

It seems to me as though your only position in your statement was to insult me without actually knowing the situation. If you had read previous posts, you would see that Trax. is the one who was constantly attempting to change the subject to talk about my own personal resources, not me, and each time I told Trax. that my resources were not the issue.

As well, you might want to read what my position is before you start opposing me, because you just restated exactly what I said should have been done. Anarchian, I suggest you simply stop being so insulting without any real reason. You are only so opposed to me in every situation over your old grudge. Just get over your stupid grudge and stop needlessly insulting me. If I wanted to insult you, there are plenty of your past experiences which I could bring up at any time, but my goal is to get issues fixed, not spread more issues, while you seem to be more focused on insulting other people to make yourself seem less pathetic.

Traxamillion · Aug 28, 2011

If you had read previous posts, you would see that Trax. is the one who was constantly attempting to change the subject to talk about my own personal resources, not me, and each time I told Trax. that my resources were not the issue.

Constantly? I said that once, and keep my name out of your mouth all you want to do is talk about me. I'm sick reading my name in your posts. I ain't @@ bro leave me alone.

As well, you might want to read what my position is before you start opposing me, because you just restated exactly what I said should have been done. Anarchian, I suggest you simply stop being so insulting without any real reason. You are only so opposed to me in every situation over your old grudge. Just get over your stupid grudge and stop needlessly insulting me. If I wanted to insult you, there are plenty of your past experiences which I could bring up at any time, but my goal is to get issues fixed, not spread more issues, while you seem to be more focused on insulting other people to make yourself seem less pathetic.

You are asking for exactly what you are getting. You keep talking and beating a dead horse. Learn to shut your mouth and you won't get what you have been so deserving of.

anarchianbedlam · Aug 28, 2011

tli....

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Joe-black-5 · Aug 28, 2011

Gentlemen.
Shall we drop the drama ?

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Tleno · Aug 28, 2011

anarchianbedlam said:
Strange, the only models i can see that youve submitted to the model section have been unanimated attachments or poorly retextured nerubians.

But now why are you two making this into a 'whos internet cock is bigger contest'?

The guys were pretty much discussing the topic, and since they two have completely different opinions about it, I am not surprised they're arguing so much.
There is no need in offending any of them and there is most certainly no need in posting ponies, gentlemen.

InfernalTater · Aug 28, 2011

Trax. said:
Constantly? I said that once, and keep my name out of your mouth all you want to do is talk about me. I'm sick reading my name in your posts. I ain't @@ bro leave me alone.

You are asking for exactly what you are getting. You keep talking and beating a dead horse. Learn to shut your mouth and you won't get what you have been so deserving of.

Actually, Trax., I checked your previous posts and found you attempting to change the subject to talk about myself several times, and 3 of those times you were attempting to say that I had not made anything. Try not to contradict yourself next time you insult someone, you would look a lot less like a fool that way.

Tleno · Aug 28, 2011

Erm guys, could you like please show your feelings to each other in visitor/private messages? We're kinda like having a pretty serious and contraversial discussion here... and can we please return to the icon recolor topic or at least close this thread if the discussion is over?

Adiktuz · Aug 29, 2011

I go for having a separate sub-section for recolors... or harsher standards...

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