Hive Spirituality Poll

[The World Is Flat]

Well, Me being the pollster i am, wanted to see what percentage of hivers considered themselves religious, and what percentage did not.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

I chose non-theism simply because atheism doesn't describe my opinion wholly, and also because atheism often is considered non-religious; thus a non-theistic belief is more accurate.

 

[Fussiler1]

Dun't know, really.

 

[The Reborn Devil]

I'm an Atheist. I only believe in things which can be explained through common sense.

 

[MortAr]

What?

 

[The World Is Flat]

I get what you mean, but technically, in the definiton used by the poll, atheisim pretty much means non-theistic. but doesnt really mean non-religious

 

[Garden Snake Lord]

I am an atheist. I don’t believe in any religion at all; my personal belief is that humanity is on their own.

 

[xxdingo93xx]

I'm agnostic ... you should have added that to the poll

 

[The World Is Flat]

I Figured Not really or Atheist or maybe or.... nontheist would cover it.

 

[Zombie]

What did you mean by "very religious"? :|

 

[Deleted member 157129]

Agnosticism goes under non-theism, but it's on the edge as non-theism generally rejects the existence of a deity, while an agnostic might find a supreme being plausible.

Either way though, the poll is lacking options and proper clarifications.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Well then i could re make it to proper specifications. what would you suggest i add?

And 'Very Religious' means, utterly devoted to your religion... but...

 

[Zombie]

That's pretty relative. You can't obey any religious dogma by the letter anyway.

 

[Herian]

I consider myself religious/A bit less religious then religious people.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Thats the point...

 

[Pharaoh_]

I wonder then why everyone keeps loving Priest or Paladin type of classes. I guess it's because they see the should-be self of theirs devoted to some other existance, an existance that might be true and we are too little to realize.

 

[xxdingo93xx]

People often confuse atheists with agnostics. Atheists basically say "There is no god." whereas Agnostics say "I don't let my life be influenced by any god, no matter if he exists or not".

 

[The World Is Flat]

Yeah, i consider them to be very similar. this is a simple. i don't want to make it too complex.

 

[Devine]

Fuck religion.
I find it stupid that a person with common sense is called an atheïst. I consider myself a fucking bunch of molecules in the infinite universe that's wasn't made by a dude with a beard.

 

[Linaze]

Atheist, aka common sense-ist.

 

[The World Is Flat]

technically though the religious are a majority. therefore you are called aethists, and they are just 'normal' hoever, if it was the other way around, they would be 'theists' or whatnot...

 

[The Reborn Devil]

Fuck religion.
I find it stupid that a person with common sense is called an atheïst. I consider myself a fucking bunch of molecules in the infinite universe that's wasn't made by a dude with a beard.

That's what we're called. Live with it

I consider myself as a collection of energy. Everything is energy when you think about it. When you start picking out the really small particles you don't measure their mass in grams, but in volts

 

[Deleted member 157129]

You could make it pretty simple and consistent by removing specific terms altogether.

* Actively religious
You perform every traditional ritual specified by your religion given it is possible to do
(For instance a Christian that goes to church every Sunday)

* Passively religious
You consider yourself religious, but you do not bother about most traditions
(For instance a Christian that does not go to church, but mayhap prays regularly)

* Dubiously religious
You believe there is more to life than science, but you have yet to find a religion that suits you
(Most likely a temporal or spiritual agnostic)

* Dubiously non-religious
You do not believe in the supernatural, but you are prone to adjust your opinion
(Typically an agnostic atheist or simply neutral - one who does not care)

* Passively non-religious
You are certain that there is no maker, but you refrain from judging religion
(Typically a positive atheist[as per definition by Gora in 1972])

* Actively non-religious
You despise the thought of religiosity entirely, divinity is fiction
(Most likely anti-religious or anti-theistic)


I don't think there is much room for falling between definitions here, but if there is just let me know and we'll find a solution for everyone.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Well i'm not going ot change it now.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

There is evidence for all arguments, both scientific and religious. Therefore I find it hard to decide... So I don't know :/

But you've got the whole: "It's all to perfect, the world needs a designer (william paley) argument" on the side of religion.

But then you have the whole jesus stuff and no proof about miracles etc... or why suffering exists etc...

Or perhaps god caused the big bang, then science took over

Who knows? They all seem like good arguments to me...

 

[The Reborn Devil]

What kind of evidence is there for a god existing?
The "world is too perfect" argument is just silly. The world is FAR from perfect and people say that the human brain is too advanced and complicated, but just think about it, it took millions of years for it to get to this stage, it's hard to NOT get complicated.

 

[Joe-black-5]

Actively religious
Muslim
Shia

 

[Etzer]

I am a believer that Earth created itself.
I do not believe in no God, but non the less, I understand people who does.

 

[VoidLordXtreme]

my answer is simply: Not Really... (leaning towards no)

 

[Kuhneghetz]

Whether if some kind of a higher power exist or not, I don't give a shit. I just hate the religions themselves and find their stories fictional, and I personally think the world would be better without them.
So yeah, an anti-religious agnostic/ignostic suits me perfectly.

 

[Etzer]

Dan van Olluhs, how do you think the world would look without religions?

 

[ike_ike]

I wonder then why everyone keeps loving Priest or Paladin type of classes. I guess it's because they see the should-be self of theirs devoted to some other existance, an existance that might be true and we are too little to realize.

because i like to tank bears and shit

Apophenia, yeah.

 

[Etzer]

I like Priests because they can healzor
I like to be healer

 

[Kuhneghetz]

This personal statement I've found describes my vision of how the world would be without religions very well.
I've put a line on point 17, because I don't understand how slavery has to do with religion.

1. In a world without religion science is no longer opposed by the ignorant
2. Science would have boomed and we would be 3 times as advanced as we are now
3. The Jews would have less cultural opposition(Palestinian, European etc) and there would be no religious terrorists meaning:
4. 9/11 would not have happened
5. The war in Iraq would not have happened
6. The London train bombings would not have happened
7. The mass cult suicides would not happen
8. Children would not be molested by the Catholic Church
9. People would have more personal responsibility and self respect because they would understand that this life is all they have and they should live it to the fullest
10. More charity organizations would be opened and more money would be given to them due to no more churches raking the money in
11. More taxes would be given to the government instead of to the church and the economy would stabilize.
12. The Nazi party would not have been fueled or funded by the Catholic Church and subsequently anti-Semitism
13. Hitler would not have been inspired by religious anti-Semitic Nordic Aryan blood myths
14. The holocaust would never have happened
15. Homophobia would not exist
16. Middle eastern racism would not exist
17. Slavery would not have been justified and therefore would not have been promoted meaning far less racism and poverty in America
18. The Spanish inquisition that tortured to death over 500,000 people would never have happened
19. The crusades that killed from 1,000,000 to 9,000,000 people would never have happened
20. The burning of witches, homosexuals, the mentally unstable, and women would never have happened saving countless hundreds of thousands of innocents throughout history
21. The spread of AIDS in Africa would be slowed considerably
22. The genocide of the North American Indians would never have happened
23. The genocide of the Central American Indians would never have happened
24. The genocide of the South American Indians would never have happened
25. Women would not be as oppressed and sexism overall would not exist in such abundance
26. Fanatical religious terrorist extremists would not exist and countless hundreds of thousands of innocents would not have died
27. The Japanese would not have massacred, raped, pillaged, and tortured the Chinese or have bombed Pearl Harbor
28. The genocide of the Armenians by the Turks would never have happened
29. People would not believe in a giant invisible ancient Middle Eastern desert spirit in the sky who gives a shit about them
30. Iran would not rape and murder innocent young girls under Koranic law
31. Saddam Hussein would not have massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people
32. World War 2 would never have happened
33. Manifest Destiny preached by Van Buren in the Second Great Awakening would never have happened and the Mexican American War would have been avoided
34. Numerous other atrocities would never have happened

Source: http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/...orld-be-better-without-religion.htm#comment-8

 

[Oziris]

I'm religious because one time i drank a whole glass of water and then i was playing some games and when i looked at the glass it was full of water. My parents weren't coming in my room. I was totally freaked out. From that day, god existed for me.

 

[Joe-black-5]

"i was playing some games"
that is the logical answer

 

[The Reborn Devil]

It's probably because you thought you drank it, but you didn't
It happens to my mother all the time. She thinks she has done something and she is 100% sure, but she hasn't done it.

 

[Fussiler1]

Hmmm.. didn't the Crusades happen after people abused religion for their own causes?

 

[The Reborn Devil]

That and other things. Also, the discrimination of women and all that came right after Christianity arrived and was started by the pope himself (this is facts btw).

I can understand him though, as I would be pretty pissed if I wanted people to visit the church to contact god, but everyone want to have s*x with women instead (this is true too. Women were worshipped and it was believed that you could only contact god through them. Hieros gamos anyone?).

 

[The World Is Flat]

Well, i personally think that religious delusion is responsibe for much of the worlds suffering. But thats me.

 

[Zombie]

DvO, that list of points is LOL! Who wrote that? Some 10 years old kiddo?

These ones seriously made me laugh:

1) How the hell is ignorance dependent only on religion? You don't have to be religious to be ignorant or oppose science.
3) Judaism is the basis of the jewish people. If there would be no religion to follow, there wouldn't be any jews either. Or are you making a difference between them racially? That's what the nazis do.
8) They would be molested by some other institute that serves educational purposes.
10) That. Is. Stupid. Churches were the first to organize charitable activities and still are doing so. Most charitable organizations are based and supported by a religious cult until today. Is that point implying that religion opposes charity? It's one of the basis points of the Christian religion, actually.
11) ROFL! You seriously think donations towards churches not existing would mean any changes to the economy? Do you realize how little these few credits mean compared to what our politicians spend on more trivial issues?
12-16) These have to be the most ridiculous points of the whole thing. Religion had NOTHING to do with the nazi party gaining power. I could give you a month long lecture about that, so in a nutshell I'll just note that the economical crisis and the rise of communism tipped the balance. An eerie fact I'll note: The German jewish industrial leaders contributed a LOT to the nazi party gaining power themselves, because they wanted to balance the rising level of communism introducing a claim for their properties. The holocaust never would have happened? As said before, the nazis didn't make a religious but racial differentiation. Homophobes wouldn't exist? Gay people are despised because they are considered disgusting by the majority of the population, not because the religious dogma says so.
22-24) Common sense anyone? Those people were butchered because they had all the treasures of America on their hands and refused to give it up. Religion being involved was like.... the smallest reason to commence the "genocide."
22, 25, 27, 29, 32, 34) ... I'll just drop a plan "lol" regarding those.

All I'd agree with is point 26 and maybe 18, 19, 20, but in the last three it was mostly financial things that motivated the people responsible, religion was just an excuse to preserve the public support. Regarding 26, it shows why religious EXTREMISM is bad for you. Motivated by ignorance and shitty social backgrounds, a lot of people are willing to commit acts noone in normal circumstances would. Not really the fault of religion, but the fault of those who bend otherwise benefical teachings.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Some of them are fairly childish, but some are very real facts, just don't assume they mean EVERYTHING and you'll be fine.

 

[I-am-murloc]

Im religious, in my own way...

 

[Etzer]

You pray to the great murloc god?

 

[Herian]

Owned.

 

[Elenai]

Without Religion, art, music, and many of the wonderful civilised, cultured achievements, like...

Sistine Chapel, various depictions of Venus, The Last Supper, Sicut Cervus, Handel's Messiah, the architecture of the pantheon in Rome, Hagia Sophia, Notre Dame, The Vatican: Domes, pillars, arches, and such, music notes, polyphony, pitch, a massive chunk of the dictionary...Oh I'll just cut to the chase since the list of things is exceedingly huge and I can't list it all:

Culture, Music, Sculpture, Architecture, Literature (Poetry, and Prose) and Art would be pitifully stone aged compared to the advancements in those fields, and the things inspired by them that we have now.

Metal work also...A massive amount of advancement in metal work (gold, silver, bronze, brass...sacred bowls, cups, plates...lamp stands...) gem cutting, and precious-material workmanship in general was used for religious reasons, and advanced because of the practice in those fields that religious devotion brought forth.

And that is just the physical side of things, philosophically, and otherwise...well, that contributive list is even bigger than the physical one...

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1. In a world without religion science is no longer opposed by the ignorant

Ignorance is not bound by Faith, dear friend: I cite a catholic monk who discovered genetics. Also: Culture examples above.

2. Science would have boomed and we would be 3 times as advanced as we are now

Culture examples above. And by sheer irony, all those wars you claim that Religion caused "if they didn't happen because religion didn't exist" via your example: IE following your scenario of logic...all the technology from those wars would have been years in occurrence: War often breeds Progress in technology.

3. The Jews would have less cultural opposition(Palestinian, European etc) and there would be no religious terrorists meaning:

The Jews wouldn't even exist.

4. 9/11 would not have happened

No, just another form of terrorism, like Soviet Russia stealing farms from the populace in the name of The State. Humans are the issue, not their ideals.

5. The war in Iraq would not have happened

No, just another war for scarce oil.

6. The London train bombings would not have happened

London wouldn't exist, and if it did, most likely it would be a pale shadow of what it is now: Culture example.

7. The mass cult suicides would not happen

Why do that when you can just kill yourself for having no hope in the individual life? "There is nothing in this world for me! It is best I just rot! My genetics are inferior, no female would want to carry on my diseased genetic code! *shoots self*"

8. Children would not be molested by the Catholic Church

Or the boy scouts? Or any other organisation, or individual who molests people? "The Catholic Church" doesn't molest people, anymore than Walmart rapes women because of a minority of employees who hold down a girl in the dressing room to do the same.

I agree with Zombie.

9. People would have more personal responsibility and self respect because they would understand that this life is all they have and they should live it to the fullest

...no they wouldn't...A vast many of them would have killed themselves looong ago.

10. More charity organizations would be opened and more money would be given to them due to no more churches raking the money in

Wrong: I agree with Zombie. On that matter, money wouldn't have come about for many more years without Religion: Due to the Imperial Religion of Rome, which put his head on coinage...

11. More taxes would be given to the government instead of to the church and the economy would stabilize.

The State, The State...Politicians, Politicians, those blood sucking tyrants. I agree with Zombie.

12. The Nazi party would not have been fueled or funded by the Catholic Church and subsequently anti-Semitism

Laugh out loud..."I agree with Zombie" yet again.

13. Hitler would not have been inspired by religious anti-Semitic Nordic Aryan blood myths

No, someone else would have risen to power in the financially destroyed Germanic region, using a secular ideal, or inventing his own, which may have turned out to be even more brutal.

14. The holocaust would never have happened

Just like the Great Leap Forward didn't kill anyone in China...

15. Homophobia would not exist

I agree with Zombie. And actually, it would exist to an even greater extent: "Homosexuals cannot pass on their genes. They are degenerative to the human species. We must preserve The Species!"

16. Middle eastern racism would not exist

Because borders, land, space, housing, and financial control of oil have nothing to do with it...?

17. Slavery would not have been justified and therefore would not have been promoted meaning far less racism and poverty in America

"You are genetically inferior, serve me!" PS: Martin Luther King Jr. A pastor, who spearheaded non-violent protest for civil rights.

18. The Spanish inquisition that tortured to death over 500,000 people would never have happened

And the Vietnam war would never have happened without Communism. ^_^

Interesting thing about the Spanish Inquisition, is that like most political actions, it was over money, land, and power.

19. The crusades that killed from 1,000,000 to 9,000,000 people would never have happened

Just another war for securing the spice trade. Interestingly enough, many spices were discovered and used for religious reasons: Culture example.

20. The burning of witches, homosexuals, the mentally unstable, and women would never have happened saving countless hundreds of thousands of innocents throughout history

No, just the destruction of the genetically inferior at the hands of Eugenic ideals that would inevitably spawn from a society where Religion never existed. And probably to a much further degree, since genetic inferiority would perhaps include le'gasp, not having blue eyes, blonde hair, and a perfect figure.

Also: The lame kid, the blind kid, and the deaf kid would be left to die, where as many, many, many churches take care of them. Alas for Genetics.

21. The spread of AIDS in Africa would be slowed considerably

They'd all just starve to death instead. Ministries around the world single handedly keep hundreds if not thousands of Africans alive.

22. The genocide of the North American Indians would never have happened

...Because space, and lack of timber, and resources in Europe had nothing to do with moving west. Nor the rumour of Gold. Zombie is again correct.

23. The genocide of the Central American Indians would never have happened

...Because space, and lack of timber, and resources in Europe had nothing to do with moving west. Nor the rumour of Gold. Zombie is again correct.

24. The genocide of the South American Indians would never have happened

...Because space, and lack of timber, and resources in Europe had nothing to do with moving west. Nor the rumour of Gold. Zombie is again correct.

25. Women would not be as oppressed and sexism overall would not exist in such abundance

Of course! Because like all women in the Genetics driven environment, those who are not pretty are left to die, or killed...And women are just organic machines to bear young, and feed them.

26. Fanatical religious terrorist extremists would not exist and countless hundreds of thousands of innocents would not have died

China, Soviet Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam...Atheist Chinese state annexing and trying to kill Buddists and the Dali Lhama how silly of me... xD These never happened.

27. The Japanese would not have massacred, raped, pillaged, and tortured the Chinese or have bombed Pearl Harbor

Because Imperialism and the desire for land, riches, and wealth never influence decisions...

28. The genocide of the Armenians by the Turks would never have happened

Another reason, another genocide, in a different place: Would have occurred.

29. People would not believe in a giant invisible ancient Middle Eastern desert spirit in the sky who gives a shit about them

Instead they'd just..."nothing" sounds really dreamy... >_>

30. Iran would not rape and murder innocent young girls under Koranic law

No, they'd just be raped and such because they are so pretty and genetically advantageous.

31. Saddam Hussein would not have massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people

Saddam Hussein was an Atheistic Socialist: Muslim 'for show'. Basically, he was a miniature Stalin, who celebrated a muslim version of "Crimbo".

32. World War 2 would never have happened

Wrong, reasons explained above.

33. Manifest Destiny preached by Van Buren in the Second Great Awakening would never have happened and the Mexican American War would have been avoided

Finances.

34. Numerous other atrocities would never have happened

Great Leap Forward, Forced Industrialisation...

 

[BlargHonk]

I have been chosen by the big metal hand in the sky.

 

[Billy the Cat]

I'd call myself agnostic. I'm fine with personal beliefs, but not that much a fan of organized religions by the way.

Prevent this thread from turning into a religious yes/no discussion.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

Everyone worships one god since the beginning, and that god is called Money.

But me, I'm an atheist.

What you gonna do? See me in court?

 

[BlargHonk]