HighBourne Citadel V.3.0.2

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----DESCRIPTION----

Complete and final version.



----MAP DOODADS---

-Gold Mines

-Each Gold Mines has 20,000 Gold every single of them

-Taverns

2 Taverns

-The first one is in upper right of the map.
-The second one is in down left of the map.


-Design

-My map is measured equally in all corners of it even in straight at the middle all measured 99.9% accurate.


-Goblin Merchants

-4 Goblin Merchants

-The first one is in upper left of the map.
-The second one is in the lower left of the map.
-The third one is in the upper right of the map.
-The fourth one is in the down right of the map.


-Market Place

-1 Market Place

-The location of the Market Place is in the middle of the map.



(AND I HOPE MY MAP GETS APPROVED :))


(UPDATE LOG v.3.0.1)

-SIMPLIFY THE DESIGN OF THE MAP.
-ADDED SUMMER TREES.
-BALANCE CREEP CAMPS.


(LATEST UPDATE 2021 THU, NOV 4 v3.0.2)

-ADDED SOME DOODADS
-FIXED THE POSITION HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE
-ADDED A RED CREEP CAMP IN THE MARKET SQUARE IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE MAP.



(LATEST UPDATE 2022 SAT, DEC 10 v3.0.3)

-FINAL VERSION FIXED CREEPS DROP RATE.



---THANKS FOR READING---
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High Bourne Citadel (Map)

Reviews
mafe
I'm sorry for the long delay until the official review. It appears that this is the first map you uploaded here at the hiveworkshop, so I assume you are relatively new to melee mapping. Considering this, the map is alright, but unavoidably there are...
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I did a fast look and I found 4 problem that you should fix or make a change, itemdrop lv8 artifact for a lv16 camp didnt make any sense, and it isn't only one or two camp that was like this.
1. an item drop that have a chance of 50% of empty, should not happen.
2. Doodad Gaps, like between the tile corner and trees. worker can hide behind it.
3. Many place are too narrow
4. not enough trees so far.

additional base on my thought is your creep choices
 
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I did a fast look and I found 4 problem that you should fix or make a change, itemdrop lv8 artifact for a lv16 camp didnt make any sense, and it isn't only one or two camp that was like this.
1. an item drop that have a chance of 50% of empty, should not happen.
2. Doodad Gaps, like between the tile corner and trees. worker can hide behind it.
3. Many place are too narrow
4. not enough trees so far.

additional base on my thought is your creep choices
sorry for the late reply thanks for being a honest critique i will make it much better.
 
Can you provide screenshots? I've opened the map in the World Editor and might I say, interesting choice of trees. But I have to agree with @Zucth--the doodad gaps, the amount of trees--this is only the beta, fortunately. And yeah, the choice of creeps are not on par with the Dalaran theme. Speaking of which, the layout looks more of a Cityscape than Dalaran. You could also make areas like a forest and not a full-on city, but this is just my suggestion.
 
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Can you provide screenshots? I've opened the map in the World Editor and might I say, interesting choice of trees. But I have to agree with @Zucth--the doodad gaps, the amount of trees--this is only the beta, fortunately. And yeah, the choice of creeps are not on par with the Dalaran theme. Speaking of which, the layout looks more of a Cityscape than Dalaran. You could also make areas like a forest and not a full-on city, but this is just my suggestion.
Thanks for the suggestion bro i think you are right i might change the layout a lil bit. i think is should revert the creeps also into default creeps of citycscape?
 
Thanks for the suggestion bro i think you are right i might change the layout a lil bit. i think is should revert the creeps also into default creeps of citycscape?
Yeah. You can get the Lordaeron (Fall and Summer for forest), Cityscape, and Dalaran creep units.
 
It seems a little better. Now you just gotta add more trees. You could also add nearby green creep camps for early gameplay, and upgrade some green camps to orange, and a couple of orange to red camps at gold mines. The center Marketplace could have been more protected. Maybe add Villagers for some cinematic "pizzazz".
 
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It seems a little better. Now you just gotta add more trees. You could also add nearby green creep camps for early gameplay, and upgrade some green camps to orange, and a couple of orange to red camps at gold mines. The center Marketplace could have been more protected. Maybe add Villagers for some cinematic "pizzazz".
Hey sup can you review my map again i pretty much took your advice i added villagers and some sort i change all doodads to summer trees. and improve creep camps as well.
 
Okay. Can you tell what texture you play in? SD (Classic) or HD (Reforged)? If Reforged, you should add in the tags that your map is meant to be played in HD mode. Also, this can be painstaking, but you can perhaps use the new walls in the Structures section of the Doodads instead of elevating levels of the ground with Tiled Walls. I know it's a change from the old "imitating walls with the two-level tiled walls" trick, but they'd look good on your map since it's a Cityscape theme. You could add variety to the ground textures and not simply Grass, but that's just my suggestion. Cityscape is one of the easiest to build since you don't need much levelling, various ground textures, and map-makers can go nuts with the symmetry rule--everything all equal and measured. You can also widen some paths, because some disrupts nearby creep camps.
 
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mafe

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I'm sorry for the long delay until the official review.

It appears that this is the first map you uploaded here at the hiveworkshop, so I assume you are relatively new to melee mapping. Considering this, the map is alright, but unavoidably there are several rookie mistakes:
1. Pathing: The map is very labyrinth-like. In wc3 this rarely a good idea. Players will feel confused, a lot of time will be spent walking around (much more than compared to other maps) and air/ground armies will unintentionally split up all the time. Basically, most good wc3 maps do not consist of linear paths, they consist of "adjacent open spaces" if that makes sense. As of now, there is a lot of "nothing" all around the map in terms of gameplay. And creeping your heroes will be very slow.
2. There are just a few creepspots that appear as copies in many locations all around the map. There could be more variety.
3. Same about more variation in itemdrops. Also, some itemdrops are just broken. In particular for the 7-4-4 spot with the bandit lord, a lvl 3 or 4 item is much appropriate than a lvl 7 item. Look at ladder maps to see how the strength of creepcamps and itemdrops correlate.
4. Every gold mine should have at least one nearby creep that is not on camp stance.
5. Fountains should normally also have creeps nearby.
6. For a map apparently intended for 4v4 (oe 2v2v2v2?), the narrow corridors and some very narrow choke points provide an additional issue if the teams want to group up. Then it becomes very difficult to move large armies around. This is particularly weird since even for 4v4, the map as a whole is actually quite large.
7. Visually the map is ok, not over the top, but at the same time for any wc3 map there is always room for improvement.

There is more that would be relevant for higher quality maps which I didnt mention in details (forests for example). But in order to provide the basics features of normal wc3 maps, at least 3 and 4 need to be fixed. Until then, map set Awaiting Update.
 
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