Global miss chance

[Skullclaimer]

Hi fellow hivers

In my map I would like every unit to have a base chance to miss someone that could be increased/decreased in certain situations. Such as a Ranger having higher hit % than a Warrior. Currently in wc3 every strike lands but I have seen maps that could implement such a system. Could anyone help me in figuring out how this can be done?

 

[TheBlooddancer]

You could add an evasion to a hidden spellbook. But then you'd had to trigger, when to add (Random time)

 

[Skullclaimer]

I have thought about that. However, as I said I want different hero classes to have different hit chances. Lets say a ranger could hit 80% of the time but a warrior could hit 65% of the time. With the evasion I'm not quite sure how this could be done.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Then you should trigger it I think to something like this,

I don't know does it work but my idea:

Unit is attacked
attacker = ranger
set x = random number betwen 1 and 10
if x = any number 1 to 8 then do nothing
else heal attacked unit for dmg inflicted

Dunno realy would this work.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

It could. But if a unit had like 10 hp, then gets 'missed' for 20, then he gets damages 20 (Dies) and gets healed 20 again = He is still dead.

 

[bounty hunter2]

then just add a event of some kind that checks the hp of unit, hp > 2% or something like that

 

[Deaod]

make a multi-level (101 levels; 0%-100%) spell based off of bash, and hide it inside a spellbook. You only need to set the level of your bash ability.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Bash you say.. Isn't that like.. Stun?

How would that help?

 

[Deaod]

ever took a look at bash inside the object editor? i suggest you do that first before posting.

 

[Skullclaimer]

I just did, there is a "chance to miss" field that I can use... Hmmm that could work thank you! Are there any other alternatives?

 

[TheBlooddancer]

The chance to miss, is just the bash part.

So your suggesting that all units should deal 0-0 damage, and have a Bash to do the damage for them?

Or..?
Excuse my stupidity, Daeod.

 

[Deaod]

there might be, but bash was the first thing that jumped to my mind. And i have a hard time thinking of any other passive ability that does that (theres still an option to trigger it completely, which would be a shitload of work).

 

[Skullclaimer]

Hmm, that "Chance to miss" wont increase more than 1 anyways...

I'm up for trigger ideas as well. Dont have to write the whole code, just pointers would help.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Then you should trigger it I think to something like this,

I don't know does it work but my idea:

Unit is attacked
attacker = ranger
set x = random number betwen 1 and 10
if x = any number 1 to 8 then do nothing
else heal attacked unit for dmg inflicted

Dunno realy would this work.

Is this a pointer?

 

[Skullclaimer]

Is this a pointer?

The problem with that as blooddancer said, that it would "heal" the damage after the damage is inflicted. Considering that I plan to add critical hits, the hp check goes out of the window. (A real strong warrior could have a minor chance to inflict great damage, killing a goblin in one strike.) If it is possible, I would like to have a solution that would not inflict the damage in the first place.

Although I must say it is a good alternative that I can use for the time being.

 

[Smiddle]

Hmm, that "Chance to miss" wont increase more than 1 anyways...

I'm up for trigger ideas as well. Dont have to write the whole code, just pointers would help.

1 means 100%.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Unit is issued an attack oreder
and then try to condition it that if the attacker is close to the attacked unit ( make regions around the attacker ) imidiatly stop the attacker if he misses, using the system above.

 

[Skullclaimer]

I'll work on it and see if I can implement it. Actually the unit does not have to be close to the attacked unit, as a ranged hero can miss too, so maybe I can use a distance value to measure the distance between the 2 units. I have a question though: If I stop the unit with this way, can I immediately order it back to attack the same unit without user noticing a pause?

Also, I tried the bash ability Miss value. It does work like evasion, setting a unit's to be hit chance rather than to hit chance.

 

[bounty hunter2]

Ah yea if it stops then it sucks, beacuse it would be pretty much noticable, I don't have a current idea on how to implement this.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

@Daeod.

You might wanna get a grip of yourself, and know what you type, when you type in a language like that. Who knows, when your wrong, what do you expect the world to do? Ignore it, or flame the hell out of you.

@Problem.

You could add some system, that adds some type of evasion depending on the attacker.
Eg: Make a Evasion for Warrior when attacked by rangers, and add it when he is attacked by a ranger. But this would work for all units attacking him at the time.

What i would do:
If possible, trigger the whole attack system.

 

[Deaod]

okay...i didnt have the chance to test bash yet (did it by now), and i have to excuse myself, i wasnt aware that bash didnt work the way i expected it to.

Anyway, if you dont mind having a permanent buff on your heros, you could Enum all units every second and if it doesnt have a specific buff and meets certain requirements, cast some ability based off of cripple of silence on it (if you use silence, you have to make sure you dont silence another unit besides the one you want to).

 

[Skullclaimer]

okay...i didnt have the chance to test bash yet (did it by now), and i have to excuse myself, i wasnt aware that bash didnt work the way i expected it to.

Anyway, if you dont mind having a permanent buff on your heros, you could Enum all units every second and if it doesnt have a specific buff and meets certain requirements, cast some ability based off of cripple of silence on it (if you use silence, you have to make sure you dont silence another unit besides the one you want to).

I'm sorry but you lost me there... What would the ability do? Give evasion? If then, wouldnt it apply to all character classes?

 

[TheBlooddancer]

based off of cripple of silence on it

based off of cripple or silence on it?

 

[Deaod]

@TheBlooddancer: Yes, that makes more sense.
But wait, cripple doesnt give a chance to miss. Erm, use drunken brawler or curse instead.

 

[Skullclaimer]

Someone else have suggested curse on b.net today. I'll see if I can do what I want with curse. With evasion, it comes down to the same thing: I would not like a static percentage but rather a variable that can be changed depending on which class is attacking.

 

[Saishy]

Someone else have suggested curse on b.net today. I'll see if I can do what I want with curse. With evasion, it comes down to the same thing: I would not like a static percentage but rather a variable that can be changed depending on which class is attacking.

Do a evasion with 101 levels...
Or use this: Intuitive Damage Detection System - Wc3campaigns
And heal the damage after its done. It will work perfectly. The players will never notice.

 

[LSI.Foley]

If you're not good with JASS, you can make a similar system in GUI.

Make a trigger with no events/conditions that handles damage. You could run an if/than/else to see if they miss or not, if they do, then heal the damage back immediately (I did this before on another map, they won't die before getting healed.)

You'll need another trigger or two to add to the previous trigger the event (Created Unit) or (Picked Unit) or whatever "Takes Damage", under Specific Unit event.

You'd need to use this rather than "A Unit is Attacked" in for this, as that would trigger when a unit is attacked, not when they take damage.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

@Daeod

Drunken Brawler doesn't give Miss, it gives Evasion. (And why don't you just take Evasion, then, if you don't need the crit part?)

 

[Abdoma]

You guys are over complicating things.
Give units an ability based from critical strike. Set it do deal x1 damage and set the always hit variable to true. Then set the %chance in the ability.
Give every unit 100% evasion.

This has an added benefit of also showing damage dealt with red numbers.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

You could do that, but a unit with 100% Evasion would miss an 'Allways hit' skill, wouldn't it?

 

[Saishy]

You could do that, but a unit with 100% Evasion would miss an 'Allways hit' skill, wouldn't it?

No, the box is for that.

 

[Skullclaimer]

You guys are over complicating things.
Give units an ability based from critical strike. Set it do deal x1 damage and set the always hit variable to true. Then set the %chance in the ability.
Give every unit 100% evasion.

This has an added benefit of also showing damage dealt with red numbers.

Alright I'll try this and see if it works.

Thank you all for your input.

 

[Skullclaimer]

I tried this system and it does indeed work. However there is one tiny little problem.

Units will never ever hit allied units. Since teamkill is an essential part of my map (Sweet betrayal) how can I amend this factor in?

 

[TheBlooddancer]

You can just 'A unit is attacked' 'Owner of attacked unit is allied with attacking unit' 'Make owner of attacked unit treat owner of attacking unit as an Enemy' And vica versa.

 

[Skullclaimer]

That's an interesting idea, however after the enemy is killed I would have to reset the owner back as an ally. That raises another question, how do I tell the game to check for an event such as "Attacked unit is dead" or "Unit stopped attacking" AFTER firing that trigger you mentioned?

So the events would be

Specific Trigger activated
Every x second

Cond

Attacked Unit is dead or Unit stopped attacking

A
Set to default ally system
Disable the prior trigger

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Can't you just 'A unit dies'

Make owner of killing unit, and owner of dying unit treat each other as allies/neutral/whatever.

 

[Skullclaimer]

Yeah I can do that, but I want this specific trigger to activate when the prior trigger is activated, not before. Is there a check that I can do to see if that prior trigger has been run before?

Actually now that I think about it, I can do this via a global variable. Still though, is it ever possible to make a trigger run after another has been activated?

 

[SkriK]

How about using a global "Cloud of Fog" ability? It has Melee, Ranged, Spell and Special attacks as option of which to increase miss chance.