Felblood Elves and Void Elves

[master Gul'dan]

Victory and Defeat Trigger is not work، But it's a good idea to build a team. If you want to use a custom script to win and lose, I'll find one.
link:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/attachments/8-deadlockcustomrace-w3x.127458/

 

[hyperlunatic]

Tested it with AI. The Race is too under-power and is S&M addicted. Weak defenses, most units and heroes are glass canons with literal paper HP, primary tank unit is quite squishy, most items and abilities do more harm than good, heroes are too easy to be killed(Paper Hp+Melee+Huge battle=dead) and having lack luster healing to boot( neophytes have paper Hp and each time healing make them lose 50 HP/cast and that is the only unit capable of healing, the Orc start out the same but have the WDs to save them late game ), The one that take the cake is the lumber gather system. Please delete it a have the workers harvest lumber again. All of this make the race useless at all time in the game. Despite having a ton of abilities, units simply don't survive long enough or have the mana to effectively use them and the abilities themselves often do as much harm as it do good, further decrease the already pathetic survival rate of units. so I recommend toughen them up a bit and revert the lumber gather system back to normal, or do it like the night elves did.

 

[Unregret]

It's so good to see you back with new race, Wa666r. I test the race once, everything good, except following things:
- The gathering wood method based on Sentinel is really bad and ineffective. It stops worker order when they harvest gold and I end up with huge owl army invading entire forest.
- First support unit is so fragile due to their sacrifice threshold.

The race is quite balance with wide choices of units.
Funny fact: Dota reference everywhere, lol.

 

[gendac]

we should wait for the update so he can make it better

 

[MogulKahn]

Really pleasantly surprised to see Felblood Elves. I think no one would have guessed it. But, biggest problem with this race is that you went more for a flavor than for a playability. They just feel underpowered and a bit too much complicated for my taste. Sometimes, actually in Warcraft 3 majority of the time, less is more. 90% custom race maps I have played had that problem. Creators are trying too much to make new race unique and in the process that races doesn't even feel like a Warcraft 3 race. Also, your heroes are too much MOBA-like for my taste.

 

[Unregret]

Really pleasantly surprised to see Felblood Elves. I think no one would have guessed it. But, biggest problem with this race is that you went more for a flavor than for a playability. They just feel underpowered and a bit too much complicated for my taste. Sometimes, actually in Warcraft 3 majority of the time, less is more. 90% custom race maps I have played had that problem. Creators are trying too much to make new race unique and in the process that races doesn't even feel like a Warcraft 3 race. Also, your heroes are too much MOBA-like for my taste.

Gameplay Difficulty: 10/10

 

[Wa666r]

Really pleasantly surprised to see Felblood Elves. I think no one would have guessed it. But, biggest problem with this race is that you went more for a flavor than for a playability. They just feel underpowered and a bit too much complicated for my taste. Sometimes, actually in Warcraft 3 majority of the time, less is more. 90% custom race maps I have played had that problem. Creators are trying too much to make new race unique and in the process that races doesn't even feel like a Warcraft 3 race. Also, your heroes are too much MOBA-like for my taste.

I have to disagree with you with going for flavor over playability. I feel like this faction is fun to play as. Yes, it is harder than other factions, but that was intentional. If you want a more simple faction you could check out Scarlet Crusade or Illidari.
All heroes from warcraft 3 feel MOBA. MOBAs were born from Warcraft 3.

 

[MogulKahn]

I think you misunderstood me, I also do agree they are really fun to play, but what I am saying is that they are just overcomplicated for no apparent reason.
When it comes to heroes, you also didn't understand me. I know that MOBAs are born from Warcraft 3, actually my favorite genre of the games are MOBAs. So, let's take Arch Nethermancer for an example. She has those shards, first you need to cast spell to summon those shards, then you use ultimate ability to detonate them... That is something that you would never see in Warcaft 3 melee hero. As the matter of fact, they are really simple. Click and point cast spells with decent synergy in-between them. That is about it.

 

[Diegoit]

1- Very nice idea.
2- Pls add more screenshots, i currently play wc3
3- Can you make other more wc3-styled races, like Trolls, Demons, Faceless, Aqir (insects) or etc.
4- Pls give a hand to Lost ones, ik these units are hard to find but pls do it, Ujimasa Hojo are
reinforcing them so u can use some new models.

 

[Wa666r]

I think you misunderstood me, I also do agree they are really fun to play, but what I am saying is that they are just overcomplicated for no apparent reason.
When it comes to heroes, you also didn't understand me. I know that MOBAs are born from Warcraft 3, actually my favorite genre of the games are MOBAs. So, let's take Arch Nethermancer for an example. She has those shards, first you need to cast spell to summon those shards, then you use ultimate ability to detonate them... That is something that you would never see in Warcaft 3 melee hero. As the matter of fact, they are really simple. Click and point cast spells with decent synergy in-between them. That is about it.

Honestly, I never enjoyed the oversimplified abilities of the vanilla game. I like to add my own flare to the hero abilities and design. To keep them as unique as I can. Adding another layer to gameplay by increasing the synergy of abilities.
I understand that this view on the heroes is not for everyone.

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Reap Coppice should have autocast. How do you know if lumber's out without checking? Other factions aside Night Elves, have idle workers when they stop cutting. Maybe the energetic ball shouldn't look like a Wisp?
2. Shadow Passerine is just Searing Arrows.
3. Where can I read the full description of what Fel Fervour does?
4. Too much invisible detection from tier 1 + Somber Reveal.
5. Fel Barrage's hotkey is actually Q not F as the title says.
6. Neophytes should be able to attack. Maybe 5 or 10 magic attack.
7. Fel Balsam=Healing Salve. I suggest also being able to regenerate mana and reduce the HP regain.
8. Vanguard has Spiked Carapace with the description kept? Also, it does not add armour. Also Unholy Aura buff on the unit and there are two abilities with the same icon of which one is the Spiked Carapace and is/looks passive.
9. Scantum of Vice and Altar of Wither need to switch positions in the Build menu.
10. Destructive Fires=Flame Strike.
11. Reclaimer's selection circle is placed too high.
12. You can train all units and build all remaining constructions on the first main building upgrade.
13. I see, all mages have all three spells from the start without the necessity for initiate-master rank upgrades.
14. I suggest the siege damage for Wreathing Mode, longer range and better armour.
15. Well, I'm not really sure how many people would be specifically using the abilities which activate upon death of units.
16. Vanguard and Reaver have the same soundset.

I agree with others that the mechanics are somewhat convoluted and hard to master giving the fact that most units are weak because of a sort of magic handicap.

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[Wa666r]

1. Reap Coppice should have autocast. How do you know if lumber's out without checking? Other factions aside Night Elves, have idle workers when they stop cutting. Maybe the energetic ball shouldn't look like a Wisp?
2. Shadow Passerine is just Searing Arrows.
3. Where can I read the full description of what Fel Fervour does?
4. Too much invisible detection from tier 1 + Somber Reveal.
5. Fel Barrage's hotkey is actually Q not F as the title says.
6. Neophytes should be able to attack. Maybe 5 or 10 magic attack.
7. Fel Balsam=Healing Salve. I suggest also being able to regenerate mana and reduce the HP regain.
8. Vanguard has Spiked Carapace with the description kept? Also, it does not add armour. Also Unholy Aura buff on the unit and there are two abilities with the same icon of which one is the Spiked Carapace and is/looks passive.
9. Scantum of Vice and Altar of Wither need to switch positions in the Build menu.
10. Destructive Fires=Flame Strike.
11. Reclaimer's selection circle is placed too high.
12. You can train all units and build all remaining constructions on the first main building upgrade.
13. I see, all mages have all three spells from the start without the necessity for initiate-master rank upgrades.
14. I suggest the siege damage for Wreathing Mode, longer range and better armour.
15. Well, I'm not really sure how many people would be specifically using the abilities which activate upon death of units.
16. Vanguard and Reaver have the same soundset.

I agree with others that the mechanics are somewhat convoluted and hard to master giving the fact that most units are weak because of a sort of magic handicap.

1. Reap Coppice should have autocast. How do you know if lumber's out without checking? Other factions aside Night Elves, have idle workers when they stop cutting. Maybe the energetic ball shouldn't look like a Wisp?

It is meant to act as a burst of large quantities of lumber at a time.

2. Shadow Passerine is just Searing Arrows.

*poison arrow, and ok? What is your point?

3. Where can I read the full description of what Fel Fervour does?

It essentially makes spells more effective and is used to activate or empower abilities. I could add a short description I guess.

4. Too much invisible detection from tier 1 + Somber Reveal.

Have to agree with you there. Maybe I'll make it cost resources to add Demon Sight per Doomguard.

5. Fel Barrage's hotkey is actually Q not F as the title says.

That will be fixed.

6. Neophytes should be able to attack. Maybe 5 or 10 magic attack.

They intentionally do not have an attack.

7. Fel Balsam=Healing Salve. I suggest also being able to regenerate mana and reduce the HP regain.

Mana regain for my Felblood Elves is meant to have a downside.

8. Vanguard has Spiked Carapace with the description kept? Also, it does not add armour. Also Unholy Aura buff on the unit and there are two abilities with the same icon of which one is the Spiked Carapace and is/looks passive.

The description is different from spiked carapace? I hope you are not getting this information from the editor because that ability is hidden from the player during actual gameplay. The Unholy Aura buff I will fix.

9. Scantum of Vice and Altar of Wither need to switch positions in the Build menu.

Why? It is in the correct position.

11. Reclaimer's selection circle is placed too high.

That will be fixed.

12. You can train all units and build all remaining constructions on the first main building upgrade.

Again, intentional.

13. I see, all mages have all three spells from the start without the necessity for initiate-master rank upgrades.

Intentional. Hence why their upgrades focus on more physical stats.

14. I suggest the siege damage for Wreathing Mode, longer range and better armour.

I will take it to consideration.

15. Well, I'm not really sure how many people would be specifically using the abilities which activate upon death of units.

Then it is for those that do.

16. Vanguard and Reaver have the same soundset.

That will be fixed.

 

[deepstrasz]

*poison arrow, and ok? What is your point?

Oh, well, then, if it also does DPS/time, I guess it's OK. My point is, trying to be as original as possible.

Have to agree with you there. Maybe I'll make it cost resources to add Demon Sight per Doomguard.

Or an upgrade for it on tier 2.

They intentionally do not have an attack.

I know... I was just suggesting making the unit less hardcore to play with.

The description is different from spiked carapace?

No. I was referring to ingame. Check it out yourself. If it doesn't occur for you, I'll add a screenshot.

Why? It is in the correct position.

I think building should be in the order of availability. The Sanctum of Vice is enabled on tier 2 (first main building upgrade) while you can build the Altar before that. It's how building successions for all Wc games are placed from what I remember.

 

[gendac]

i can't even cut trees for lumber or can't build buildings for food

 

[Unregret]

i can't even cut trees for lumber or can't build buildings for food

You must train specific number of Doom Guard in Main Town Hall to sustain your food cap.

 

[Wa666r]

Oh, well, then, if it also does DPS/time, I guess it's OK. My point is, trying to be as original as possible.

Or an upgrade for it on tier 2.

I know... I was just suggesting making the unit less hardcore to play with.

No. I was referring to ingame. Check it out yourself. If it doesn't occur for you, I'll add a screenshot.

I think building should be in the order of availability. The Sanctum of Vice is enabled on tier 2 (first main building upgrade) while you can build the Altar before that. It's how building successions for all Wc games are placed from what I remember.

The whole Spiked Carapace does not show up or me.

The altar is in the same position as all the other races.

 

[deepstrasz]

The whole Spiked Carapace does not show up or me.

The altar is in the same position as all the other races.

True. It's because you can build the tower from the start and there's no farm building like for the other races. Also the shop is always the last tier 1 building as for your techtree.

Don't worry about it. Humans have the tower on the last row of the first column I guess because either you can build it from the start and/or because it's not a farm like the Ziggurat to place it right before the Altar on the 2nd row of the first column.

 

[Unregret]

The whole Spiked Carapace does not show up or me.

The altar is in the same position as all the other races.

Because you use patch 1.28.5+. They will show up for patch 1.27 and below. You can either use icon position X,Y (0, -11) to hide them if patch 1.28 or just use Cancel Icon and remove all descriptions.

 

[Yoga WP]

I cannot save my edited version of Felblood Elves....please fix it.....

 

[WolfFarkas]

Please remove the tag melee, it says melee, and this is not a melee map is an altered melee

In melee maps, races, units and buildings are used as the preset of the game. In melee we can´t change a single thing except the doodads to design new enviroments.
I think is important to respect the tags, it means to respect the audience.
There are melee comunities in wc3 that play competitive melee maps and if in the Hive the tags are not well used it will be a mess to find things with the proper tags.

see ya

 

[Darkmoonra]

How can I increase my Food?

 

[MogulKahn]

By building Subjugated Doomguards. They are last(4th) units in your Town Hall.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Another masterpiece! W4 would be awesome with all these custom races

 

[ozisop12]

sounds amazing 5/5

 

[Antares.old]

You can now make a Blood Elf race xD

 

[Wa666r]

You can now make a Blood Elf race xD

Haha i most likely will not. There is already an over saturation of Blood Elves on here.

 

[Antares.old]

i know you don't do it

 

[Darksniper280]

I love the map! I wouldn't agree to the over simplification as to make things autocast and to be 'easier' to use. And I disagree with how 'weak' they are, infact the race is stupidly powerful from what I can see. However I have ran into nasty crashes since release so I have never been capable of completing a full game. It seems to occur around tier two units when utilizing the Cabalist. Regardless 5/5 man, brilliant work. Been following since the release of the Nightborne. Elf power!

 

[FeruEnzeruJKun]

I tested the map on 1.28. And i was middle of getting lumber after getting a Subjugated Doomguard for food.

And now i can't harvest lumber with a Journeyman (Worker unit which is not working on V1.02) , but Felblood Elves is kinda good race to play and test on.


I'll wait for the new update for the map while it's Patch 1.29.1 i guess. @Wa666r Let me know if you're done updating the map.

Cheers. ~J-Kun FeruEnzeruJKun

 

[Wa666r]

I tested the map on 1.28. And i was middle of getting lumber after getting a Subjugated Doomguard for food.

And now i can't harvest lumber with a Journeyman (Worker unit which is not working on V1.02) , but Felblood Elves is kinda good race to play and test on.


I'll wait for the new update for the map while it's Patch 1.29.1 i guess. @Wa666r Let me know if you're done updating the map.

Cheers. ~J-Kun FeruEnzeruJKun

You use the "Reap Coppice" ability from the Journeyman. They themselves do not harvest the lumber.

 

[FeruEnzeruJKun]

You use the "Reap Coppice" ability from the Journeyman. They themselves do not harvest the lumber.

Okay, cool. I'll try that out first. Thanks for the quote and advice, Wa666r!

 

[Epic Producer]

Nice .


4.5/5

 

[Niarfe003]

Really nice, I admire you!

 

[Mvyrea]

It is truly incredible, an incredible job, congratulations.

 

[gfmkgfkl;kl]

new race are awesome, so much new gameplay and tactics possibilities, but resource gathering is weird

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Valve should be in the credits as well. You used icons from the abilities of the heroes in DotA 2, even though they were recolored. Aside from that, you did a good job with the custom races.

 

[Wa666r]

new race are awesome, so much new gameplay and tactics possibilities, but resource gathering is weird

Thank you. It takes a while to get used to.

 

[Wa666r]

Valve should be in the credits as well. You used icons from the abilities of the heroes in DotA 2, even though they were recolored. Aside from that, you did a good job with the custom races.

They're credited meow. Riot Games too. Thanks though!

 

[Krotos]

Are these maps considered open source? Namely if I find anything of use in them, am I allowed to grab it for my own projects?

 

[Wa666r]

Are these maps considered open source? Namely if I find anything of use in them, am I allowed to grab it for my own projects?

I suppose. But make sure to credit whomevers resource you're using.

 

[MogulKahn]

Sweet mother mercy!

 

[Meyerm]

I think retextured blood elf buildings would have been better for the void elves. Like the felblood elves, but... more voidy. Otherwise great work.

 

[Wa666r]

D

I think retextured blood elf buildings would have been better for the void elves. Like the felblood elves, but... more voidy. Otherwise great work.

Did not want the Void Elves to look too similar to the Felblood Elves. Even with a retexture they look similar.

 

[stein123]

D

Did not want the Void Elves to look too similar to the Felblood Elves. Even with a retexture they look similar.

Lorewise kinda makes sense too, FelBlood Elves are corrupted Blood Elves in their totality, while Void Elves are void tainted High and Blood Elves mixed up.

 

[gfmkgfkl;kl]

maybe void elven scions have skill to morph tree in mana buff?

 

[Wa666r]

maybe void elven scions have skill to morph tree in mana buff?

They already have a vast amount of utility uses. But maybe.

 

[Ether]

Looks good. I could not make it work in 1.27 Warcraft.
Does it have a stable version that works on outdated Warcraft III?

 

[Wa666r]

U

Looks good. I could not make it work in 1.27 Warcraft.
Does it have a stable version that works on outdated Warcraft III?

Unfortunately, I use certain triggers only available in 1.31. It would not work on earlier versions.

 

[gfmkgfkl;kl]

Maybe to create builder-anomalies, should the skion eat the tree?