Dalaran v.2.5.2

[Moderator]

23:50, 28th Apr 2013
Orcnet: another wondrous addition of altered melee map, I like it and nice theme good map then approved

 

[TaShadan]

Add some screenshots please

 

[Daffa]

If you don't understand how to use codes try Map Description Generator, you need Java to use it though, but its very easy for those who can't make description using template.

 

[Wa666r]

Some screenshot have been granted

 

[Daffa]

Hide the Image in Hidden Tag, so it won't fill the page.

And how to become Dalaran Race?

 

[Wa666r]

It tells you in the description, just play as the Humans.

 

[takakenji]

veey nice and lore friendly i like lore frendly races

 

[Wa666r]

Thanks man
Glad you enjoyed it.

 

[Wa666r]

Please, rate the map if you like it C: I would love if this map got approved and all.

 

[Daffa]

Well, I tried your Dalaran Map and the race is simply awesome!! I would like to see this approved 5/5 and +Rep

 

[Wa666r]

Well, I tried your Dalaran Map and the race is simply awesome!! I would like to see this approved 5/5 and +Rep

Thanks a ton man, and with the AI thing too
Glad you have enjoyed it, I enjoyed making the race, and hope to make more in the future.

 

[Daffa]

Thanks a ton man, and with the AI thing too
Glad you have enjoyed it, I enjoyed making the race, and hope to make more in the future.

Please make the Fel Orc/Burning Legion/Highbourne/etc...
Please!!! Love those races!!
Oh yeah, review later.

 

[Wa666r]

Please make the Fel Orc/Burning Legion/Highbourne/etc...
Please!!! Love those races!!
Oh yeah, review later.

Well, I hope that this map will get approved, but it seems like the map is stuck in the "pending" state for a long while.
I will make a new race, I've been meaning to make one, but it will be a surprise until I post it C:

 

[Daffa]

Good to hear that, btw the pending maps aren't touched these 2 weeks lately
seems Mods are busy... with university and stuff....

'nuff said

 

[Wa666r]

Oh, that is understanding then. In the meantime I will work on the next map on my free time.

 

[Wa666r]

Check out my new map: The Fel Horde

 

[Legal_Ease]

Great concept! Looking forward to playing it. Also, please post the "Fel Horde" link.

 

[Wa666r]

I hope everyone is enjoying the map. If you have any ideas for my next race just post your idea on here.

 

[Qrom Bellascream]

Another great custom race from you!
I liked the War Wagon siege unit. Good use of the Wagon model!
Another 5/5 for you good sir!

And about a new custom race, you should do demons!

 

[bvvc]

wonderful maps,i love these altered meel maps and thanks to the author.

i wonder what would it be to combine all your races,items and original races together.

 

[~DARK~]

Good Job I Like to this next update more races and more stuffs 4/5

 

[Wa666r]

Thanks! Dont forget to check out the others

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Ah nice race! The focus on mana is fun . Again, I like the farm-like building, its ability matches well with race's focus on mana.

You kindy use Healing Wave and Rejuvenate alot in your maps (in this one and the Draenei one), maybe replace those abilities with more custom & unique ones. And maybe add some more passives instead of active abilities (or more auto-cast).

Rating: 5/5 & +rep

 

[Wa666r]

Ah nice race! The focus on mana is fun . Again, I like the farm-like building, its ability matches well with race's focus on mana.

You kindy use Healing Wave and Rejuvenate alot in your maps (in this one and the Draenei one), maybe replace those abilities with more custom & unique ones. And maybe add some more passives instead of active abilities (or more auto-cast).

Rating: 5/5 & +rep

Thanks again, man!

Hmm. Maybe so. I don't always have fresh ideas - so i try to make the best combination i can think of. But i still try to find better combinations over time.

Well, it is a caster race but it may be too much micromanaging for most players.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Thanks again, man!

Hmm. Maybe so. I don't always have fresh ideas - so i try to make the best combination i can think of. But i still try to find better combinations over time.

Well, it is a caster race but it may be too much micromanaging for most players.

, how about some summoning spells, that would fit the race. Summoning legions of Water Elementals . Anyway going to try your other races too.

On a side note, and I know how much work this is & about filesize problems, are you ever going to make a map with several custom races? I know some ways to do heavy optimisation of the custom models', textures', .wav sounds' filesize (even icons, though that is more tedious) and I would not mind showing you. So than it is actually possible to stay under 8mb with an absurd amount of imports. I did it with my map Starcraft Hybrids which is under 8mb now and would otherwise be 20mb or more xD (without using the map optimizer).

 

[Wa666r]

, how about some summoning spells, that would fit the race. Summoning legions of Water Elementals . Anyway going to try your other races too.

On a side note, and I know how much work this is & about filesize problems, are you ever going to make a map with several custom races? I know some ways to do heavy optimisation of the custom models', textures', .wav sounds' filesize (even icons, though that is more tedious) and I would not mind showing you. So than it is actually possible to stay under 8mb with an absurd amount of imports. I did it with my map Starcraft Hybrids which is under 8mb now and would otherwise be 20mb or more xD (without using the map optimizer).

Haha maybe, or some sort of other summons.

I would love to know how to do that. I have imported all the files i need and I'm already hitting 14 mb without the actual races being completed yet.

 

[jellybean375]

good map I really liked it

 

[Noypi]

Good enough but needs to fix

The Dalaran Race is pretty interesting, however there are some parts that needs improving:

*Replace the Mages Town Hall with another model. I recommend the Arcane Castle by Ujimasa Hojo.
I didn't like the models of craft persons and buildings with no birth animations although i haven't found a good replacement.

*You do not have initial ranged unit, which is more important in the early game than having chaplains - they are quite useless when healing a bunch of soldiers since they(soldiers) have mana shield.

*There are some typos in the tool-tip e.g.
"soilders" instead of soldier;
The Sky of Mana(ultimate) of Wizard refers to the caster "Battle Mage";
"essense" instead of essence;
in battle mage tooltip "burn a enemies" instead of burn the enemy's.
Sorry about that, reading typos bugs me.

*No initial upgrades in Training hall.

*Needs fix on some of the spells.
1. Why do a pyromancer needs immolation? it does not fit since it is a ranged unit.
2. Too much healing magic. Change the vitalize ability into something offensive.
3. Spell casters at Observery have no ATC spells.

*War Wagon and Kirin Tor are too powerful, tone them down slightly.

That would be all the faults that i have seen so far. Once fixed and it should be better.
Hope this will help to your race, i like altered melee maps but too many errors.

Good day to you

 

[Wa666r]

The Dalaran Race is pretty interesting, however there are some parts that needs improving:

*Replace the Mages Town Hall with another model. I recommend the Arcane Castle by Ujimasa Hojo.
I didn't like the models of craft persons and buildings with no birth animations although i haven't found a good replacement.

*You do not have initial ranged unit, which is more important in the early game than having chaplains - they are quite useless when healing a bunch of soldiers since they(soldiers) have mana shield.

*There are some typos in the tool-tip e.g.
"soilders" instead of soldier;
The Sky of Mana(ultimate) of Wizard refers to the caster "Battle Mage";
"essense" instead of essence;
in battle mage tooltip "burn a enemies" instead of burn the enemy's.
Sorry about that, reading typos bugs me.

*No initial upgrades in Training hall.

*Needs fix on some of the spells.
1. Why do a pyromancer needs immolation? it does not fit since it is a ranged unit.
2. Too much healing magic. Change the vitalize ability into something offensive.
3. Spell casters at Observery have no ATC spells.

*War Wagon and Kirin Tor are too powerful, tone them down slightly.

That would be all the faults that i have seen so far. Once fixed and it should be better.
Hope this will help to your race, i like altered melee maps but too many errors.

Good day to you

Thanks, man. Thank you for all the suggestions! I'll be sure to utilize them once decide to update my maps.

Try my other maps too.

 

[Ujimasa Hojo]

Really like your well-polished Custom Races.

 

[Darkloid]

Good!, you should update the screeshots with the new models

 

[Wa666r]

Good!, you should update the screeshots with the new models

You like it?
I did; under gameplay screenshots.

 

[Kyrbi0]

So this won't be a super-mega-ultra-thorough review, but I finally managed to find time (translation: wasting time instead of doing homework...) to open this up in the WE & then Test Map to tinker around, so I figured I owed it to ya. At least once. : )

So I guess I will say I'm overall "impressed", with a healthy helping of "can always be improved". I was not let down by your delightful formatting & presentation; this is a well-thought out, well-crafted & generally cohesive race. THAT'S A BIG DEAL to me. Too many race-makers simply throw things together; cool models, cool ideas, with no coherency. Well, the models you chose, their abilities, the icons, etc (generally) cohered. I'll list some exceptions below.

Pros

• DALARAN. That is just such a cool faction. I had a fun time theorycrafting a Dalaran race over in Forsaken's topic for some of his projects. Fun to see someone actually do it.
• The Charmer. What I didn't like about his name, I loved about him personally. By removing the glaive-thing & giving him an "arcane whip", you created something quite unique to the Wc3 setting (<- very important to me). Sure, the modded Lightning Attack was a little wonky (appearing in the middle of his chest, sort of "similar" to a whip but not quite (maybe a custom Lightning texture?)), and Tri-Whip was a neat-but-bad idea (see below), but the "double-damage for having >X mana"? Pretty nifty. I like a nice creative unit like that.
• Second to that, the Aether Elemental. Also a really nifty unit, relatively creative. Struck me as a "Troll Batrider + Storm Crow Druid" mix; light aerial siege & anti-structure mini-caster. Loved the use of modded Barrage, and the custom model really fit it well (though it was incredibly bright; sticks out almost too much). The modded Faerie Fire was a good ability and a great example of the opposite of one of the major problems in the Dalaran race (detailed below); re-using abilities. See, FF is only targettable against Units, so making a modified version for Buildings is free game. Makes it a good unit in conjunction with War Wagons, which...
• Finally, the War Wagon. While this unit suffered from some issues of presentation (i.e. cool model with the floating & glowing orbs... But no way to tell it was attacking, and it's attack was... green Illidan beams? Followed by flying Shockwaves (dust & everything)?? And the missile arc was a bit high on that one (even classic Siege units only have a max of .35). But basically, this was a Magical-version of the Meat Wagon; instead of carrying corpses (Undead-fuel), this thing "carried" Mana (mage-fuel)! Pretty nifty. And basically achieved through a simple system of "suck & blow" abilities (though making it single-target vs. AoE served to make things interesting). I might've wanted for a more... integrated system (like a modded "corpse-carry" system, so that it's actually carrying "mana itself" or something ), but then again, that would've made it too similar to the Meat Wagon, perhaps.
  Suffice it to say, not bad. Siege Engine + Support; an oldie, but a goodie.
• I actually rather liked the idea behind "Dagger of Power"; had something similar for my Troll Tiki Warriors. However, I removed it because I was worried about having a too-obvious "anti-Hero" unit; might be too hard to balance, since Heroes kinda rule the world in Wc3-gameplay. And what exactly about your Battlemage's upgrade made them good against Heroes; just a faster attack? I couldn't figure it out (since you didn't use a modded Demolish)
• Nice buildings. I could submit you have kinda used "Mana", "Magic", and "Arcane" a bit much here, but... Yeah, I know it's hard. That being said, while I LOVED the cohesive model-design, the texture choice (unfortunately, not your fault) that Blizzard provided for Dalaran is just so... washed out. Next to the high-contrast, exciting & colorful textures of even the Undead (my enemy this go-around), it almost looked like another game (Battle for Middle Earth, anyone?). Too washed out. But what do ya do?
• On the topic of buildings, I liked how you basically made a "Protoss Shield Generator + Mana Well"; recoup lost mana & provide regeneration+armor for nearby buildings. The "violet pulse", though, needed some explanation; it wasn't clear that that was the effect of the Aura (and thus a good thing). I hunted all over the command card for some sign of what that was. :<
• THANK YOU for providing some interesting & decent Proper Names for your heroes. Yeah, you only did it for 2 of them, but at least half, rather than none. Few people take time to engage in that particular form of art. : )
• The Haemomancer (spelling?) does a pretty good job of being a good Role-follower. With what amounts to modded Fan of Knives, Frenzy (nice), Drunken Brawler & then Locust Swarm, this guy combines potent melee-range abilities with self-enhancers.
• I liked the Spell Officer's interesting twist of removing (nearly) half of his HP to bestow an UBER +armor aura on himself & allies. Mixed with modded Magic Defense & that modded Healing Wave... Yeah.
• That Wizard definitely was... magical. Yeeeeeeah. Good Theme-following there; this guy was magic-magic-magic-MAGIC.
• Overall, the units & heroes make some good sense; you got magic-enhanced warriors, lots of mages, enslaved elementals, and animate mechanics. Pretty much (almost) everything a good Dalaran race should contain, in my book.

Deltas (Greek for "change"; meaning "things to improve on")

• There are some minor spelling/grammatical issues. Nothing major, but if you're looking for polish, that's the place to go (Arcane Wave, etc; others upon request)
• I think the biggest issue I noticed was with the abilities, and it was three things (so I'll split it up): The Buff-Conflicts, the Spell Reuse, and the Direct-Damage.
• Buff-Conflicts: One thing I have learned (much to my dismay) is that buffs don't stack* (**except Auras). That means, if one's race is meant to be compatible with the existing 4, no 2 spells can have the same buff; even a custom ability with a custom buff, it recognizes it as the same. This may not sound like a big deal, but I'll give you an example from my own experience: I created a "Shrink" spell for my Jungle Troll Headshrinker, where he reduces the size & attack speed of all enemies in a target AoE; this uses a modded mass-dummy-casted Bloodlust (duh, since I can shrink the units instead of enlarging them). Fast-forward to a test-play with Trolls vs. Orcs; Orcish Shamans mass-casting Bloodlust on themselves, and I go all Shrink on them... To no effect. Or a "replacing the Bloodlust" effect. In order to be compatible, my Shrink must mesh with their Bloodlust, and it can't.
  So my point: You have tons of awexome & interesting spells... But aside from a few examples, you will have buff-conflicts everywhere that's applicable. (ex: Burn, Corrosion, Drowning Sensation, FIRE, Heal (see below), Replenish Mana, Singe, etc).
  You've done well in a few exemplary cases; see the above about the Aether Elemental's modded Faerie Fire (identical effect, but only for Buildings so it's safe (in terms of Buffs, at least)), and the Geomancer's Mist (Cloud, but modded to affect Units instead of Buildings, so again, safe from Buffs & useful for the game)
  This is a big problem to work through, & I feel your pain, believe me. But I wouldn't be a friend if I didn't point it out. :< Good luck.
  You can get help.
  
• Spell Re-Use: This one is a little less of a mistake and more of a design issue... I don't mind the fact that they have tons of spells, but you unfortunately re-used spells all over the place. It's ok when they are modded (hopefully significantly), but take the Chaplain & Spell Officer; both essentially have (modded) Healing Wave. Archmage & War Wagon both have (modded) Orb of Destruction. Wizard & Archmage both have AoE mana-regen spells (though one's a Ward (??) and one's an Aura, so that helps... a bit). Haemomancer & Wizard both have ultimates that are essentially (see below) modded Locust Swarm. (notice I'm not complaining about Battlemage & Wizard having Mana Shield. Well... that's a little different, almost like a "racial ability" (aka Hide, Pillage, etc), in my mind. Same with the slightly-different versions of "Feedback" on the Spell Breaker & Arcane Tower).
  This is one side of the issue; the other side has to do with outright copy/pasta-ing spells from other parts of the game, with little-to-no modification. What is Forked Lightning, Locust Swarm, Mana Shield, Absorb Magic, Summon Treant Wood Elemental, the *whole* Rock Elemental (aka mini-Mountain Giant; has Taunt, modded Hardened Skin, and ~Resistant Skin), the whole Chaplain (aka alternate Priest; has Heal & Dispel Magic & then "super-chain-Heal"), Tidal Wave, Wind Walk, Drunken Brawler & unfortunately many others, doing all over this faction? If you take a look at the existing 4 races, there is almost no single ability that units, heroes, or buildings have in common (with some few exceptions or modifications: Repair (HU & Orc), Dispel Magic & Disenchant (but many minor differences), True Sight (but different icons), Envemoned Spears & Slow Poison (but different enough), Spell Immunity/Resistant Skin (but different icons), etc). There are plenty of "similar" abilities, but they generally have something to make them "unique enough" to pass. ((NOTE: I haven't played enough melee to know about how Creep abilities interact with regular abilities (i.e. Troll High Priest Inner Fire vs. Elven Priest's? Gnoll Purge vs. Orc Shaman's? Bandit Poison vs. Dryad's Slow Poison vs. Orc's Wind Rider Envenomed Spears? Furbolg Roar vs. DotC's?), but even then, they are mercenary Creeps, not one of the other races.))
  Some of your spells are pretty reasonable edits of existing spells, and unfortunately without lots of triggering you kind of have to copy a few things. But by "few" I mean a "few"; definitely mess around with those Neutral Hostile & Item abilities; there are literally tons of little-to-not used resources there for custom, interesting spells (although I already noticed that you found some of them)!
• Direct-Damage: This is pretty straightforward. If you take a look at the existing 4 races, you'll notice something about every single unit's abilities: They don't deal damage. At least, not "Direct Damage", like Storm Bolt or Shockwave or Fan of Knives or Starfall. Many have passives (poisons & such) that deal DoT (upon attack)... Aerial Shackles is one of the few that even deals "direct DoT" but even then it's only on Aerial targets & it's a Channeling spell (caster = immobile & defenseless). Similar issues with Devour, & even Mana Flare (DD... But only in the form of Mana Burn & only from a Channeling ability).
  Part of the issue (or perhaps the whole issue) is that only Heroes can have DD (or powerful, non-immobilizing DoT's) because they cannot be massed. Hence the power of the Undead "tri-nuke". If any unit had a DD ability, regardless of "balancing" (higher cost, longer build-time, etc) there's nothing that could really stop someone from massing them & utterly annihilating the enemy.
  Case in point, much of your units had some form of DoT or DD... I took merely 3 Kirin Tor (not even upgraded) and just tore through an Undead expansion with Frost Wyrm & Abomination & everything... And from halfway across the map (Teleport in, triple-Frost-Nova, Cold Arrows til FN was back up). Crazy. : )
  It will be difficult to find ideas to replace the DD abilities, but I know it's possible.
• I'm pretty sure the Spell Officer attacked faster without Magic Defense on, contrary to what the tooltip would have me believe. Not sure why. Perhaps reverse the Attack Speed Factor (since that would normally slow him down?)
• I was really confused by the spells on the Geomancer... Corrosion, Summon Wood Elemental, Mist??? There really doesn't seem to be a singular theme there. Necromancy, Druidism, and Water/Air magic. With "geo-" in the name, I guess I was expecting rocks, earth or mud or something. :<
• (This perhaps relates to the 2nd major point, "Spell Reuse", as well as our PM conversation): I'm a little curious/concerned about the method of "race addition" as shown here. The biggest thing I noticed is that there are characters that are nearly identical to their regular ladder counterparts. This is only an issue with a "5th race addition" that must be considered 'compatible' with the existing 4 races, because no race has any units/heroes/buildings/abilities (except for as noted above)/upgrades (except for things like Backpack)/items (except for a few basics, like Scroll of TP & potions) in common with any other race. The only exception I can think of is the Human & Orc both have a "Barracks"... But there are reasons for that (silly reasons, like "that's what we called it in Wc2!!", but reasons nonetheless ). Good example is the Archmage... What is he doing, playing both sides of the conflict? What if a Human army chose an Archmage as their champion, and so did Dalaran? Worse, you changed a few of his spells but not all; if I were some other race facing him down, I wouldn't know whether I was fighting Human or Dalaran (essential information in Wc3 scouting & such), nor what kind of spells to expect (aside from Blizzard & Brilliance Aura).
  This is an issue that I faced quite directly for much of my early modding career, and I realized I needed to come up with "alternatives" to the existing units/heroes/buildings/etc (since I didn't have the capability to download alternative models at the time). So I made an alternate Shadow Hunter, Headhunter, Witch Doctor, and Batrider (Medicine Mon, Hunter, Hedge Witch, and Bom-bat-ier), though I have since gained the ability to download (or have created for me) resources.
  Alternatively, if you choose to, making the Dalaran a replacement race (say, for Humans since that makes sense) allows you to freely use their assets & spells & such without fear of this issue (Archmage, Priest, Sorceress, Spell Breaker, Arcane Towers, Arcane Vault, etc). This is another way around the issue.
  Either way, though, you have to consider that in race-making; player confusion & re-use of assets are just not ideal. :<
• I'm a little off-put by the Hero choice, though this is more of a personal matter. See, "Archmage" and "Wizard" feel identical to me (not in spells, just, like, the idea; both are, well, Wizards), with "Wizard" almost sounding a little too... weak? to be a Hero (sounds more like a unit-name). "Spell Officer" was, IMO better as "Spell General" but perhaps even better as "Warmage" or something... But at least it's a solid concept (warrior-mage, leader of Dalaran's highly-trained mini-army). The "Haemomancer"... Ah dannae, I'm just really not a fan. I see the reference to 'blood' in the name; but he has almost no truly "blood"-type abilities, his "orbs" are shadows instead of 'blood balls' or something (same thing with his Ultimate)... Really his icons are the closest thing to 'blood' on him (aside from the corpse-explosion thing). I see that you were attempting to make an alternate Blood Mage, and that (as stated above) is an important & valiant effort. But... Maybe consider just replacing him entirely. If you want/have to use that model, consider a true Warlock or 'Baron' or something; doesn't have to be all about 'blood' or 'fire' or whatevs. Or could. But something.
• Didn't check for bad DISBTNs or bad hotkeys, but they might be lurking... The only big thing I noticed was generally, some of the icons fit less in-game than others. Hero icons were a good example (Wizard & Spell Officer were especially weird, compared to "normal" Archmage & slightly-modded-but-still-good Haemomancer), as well as "Engraved Runes" (needs a PAS version)
• About your Tier 3 Ownage Device ("Kirin Tor"): Weren't the actual Kirin Tor, like, a ruling council or body? Basically a group of mages? I was confused to see it used as a singular & particular appelation ("train some... 'kirin tor's?...") The "Kirin Tor" is like The "Round Table"; certain people, discussing certain things, in a certain way.

Other

• So wait, what were all those cool models doing (Arcane Cathedral!? ) unused?
• And same with all those abilities & units that weren't used but still there in the WE... Just not a fan of cleaning up after yourself? Meh, not a big deal, as long as it doesn't slow the map noticeably.
• The Wizard's ultimate... Instead of bothering with all the nasty triggering to make these "magically following orbs"... Why not just make a modded Locust Swarm, where the Locusts are fewer & don't return health, but have that ranged shot? That ability alone takes care of all the "following" & "invincible" for you. Granted, that makes the Haemomancer's ultimate a little pointless... But as I stated above, that should perhaps be considered for replacement.
• Why does "Heal" make a second, dummy Healer?

Overall, like I said, pretty good stuff! I look forward to seeing further improvements.

 

[JCarrill0]

2.1 nice (busy with one of your other new maps atm)
Cya soon

 

[Kyrbi0]

Hey, now a new update. And you even took some of my suggestions? I'm flattered. : )

- NEW HERO!
- Removed the Archmage
- Magic Defense now increases attack damage
- Magic Defense grants spell immunity at all level
- Magic Defense debuffs more movement speed
- Feedback tooltip fixes
- "Wizard is now "High Wizard"
- "Imploding Magic" is now just "Implode"
- "Mana Ward" is now lowered to 5 seconds.
- "Mana Ward" tooltip fixes
- "Disruption" has been modified
- "Heamomancer" is now "Thaumaturge"
- All of his abilities are now more fire-based, instead of blood/darkness
- Removed "Blood Flurry" replaced with "Pyroblast"
- Replaced ult. with "Pyromaniac"
- New model for the Craftsperson
- "Repair" is now "Rectify," now less effective
- "Mana Shield" now has a new model
- Removed Stone Elemental's abilities: Aggrevate and Stone Skin
- Stone Elemental now deals short-range siege damage
- New upgrade "Metamorphic"
- PAS icon for Engraved Runes
- Tri-Whip deals more damage but costs 50 mana.
- Tooltip fixes for Aqua Elemental
- Configured "Drowning Sensation"
- Added "Deluge" ability
- Replaced "Heal" with "Entice"
- Replaced "Dispel Magic" with "Eliminate"
- Configured "Restoration Surge"
- "Corrosion" is now "Earth Crush"
- "Summon Wood Elemental" now summons two, but costs more
- Wood Elementals have True Sight
- Geomancer's tooltip fixes
- Pyromancers new texture
- "Fury of the Fire' now also attacks and has True Sight.
- "Gust of Wind" replaced with "Aeroblast"
- Added "Speed of the Wind"
- "War Wagon" is now "Construct"
- "Kirin Tor" is now "Operative"
- Nerf'd Operative's abilities; now more focused on slowing.
- "Binding" affects now work properly.
- Dozens of extra icons
- more

Really dig the sound of a lot of those changes. Much of the "simple" name-changes to tooltips, units & heroes really goes a long way towards making a Faction that much more polished & lore-bound, IMO. "High Wizard" is better, glad you stole borrowed my excellent "Thaumaturge" (look forward to seeing that somewhere soon... ), "Operative" is at least more interesting, and the Geomancer makes more sense. I must admit, though, I liked "War Wagon" better.

In particular I like the Hero; I think a ranged "arcane ranger"-type hero is a great addition. However, have you seen this model? I think the High Elf version would really suit your needs much more pleasantly.
That being said, I really like the style & how well your icons mesh; not too much blue, not too little, all generally fit in-game, and while I feel the "dealing damage / stealing/regaining mana" thing is might just be a bit too heavy-handed (i.e. every one of his abilities does it/affects it), I'll admit it's cohesive. And again, now you've got a really nice spectrum of "mage-heroes" for your "mage-race"; warrior-mage, archer-mage, and two different kinds of "mage-mages". Pretty much perfect in my eyes.
(though I will offer a note of pedantry; technically the mages of Dalaran would never have consorted with fire magicks in the way your "Thaumaturge" seems to have done; that was actually a big sticking point with the Blood Elves & kinda the theme behind his whole persona (even the tooltip; didn't the site/manual say "Blood Mages... ignore the water & frost magicks of their brethren in favor of the more demonic fire... magicks", or something?).

Anyway. Really sounding better.

- "Repair" is now "Rectify," now less effective

This line made me lawl. : )

 

[yogaprad]

when other player defeated, i didnt get the message

 

[Wa666r]

when other player defeated, i didnt get the message

Should be fixed.

 

[Wa666r]

Hey, now a new update. And you even took some of my suggestions? I'm flattered. : )


Really dig the sound of a lot of those changes. Much of the "simple" name-changes to tooltips, units & heroes really goes a long way towards making a Faction that much more polished & lore-bound, IMO. "High Wizard" is better, glad you stole borrowed my excellent "Thaumaturge" (look forward to seeing that somewhere soon... ), "Operative" is at least more interesting, and the Geomancer makes more sense. I must admit, though, I liked "War Wagon" better.

In particular I like the Hero; I think a ranged "arcane ranger"-type hero is a great addition. However, have you seen this model? I think the High Elf version would really suit your needs much more pleasantly.
That being said, I really like the style & how well your icons mesh; not too much blue, not too little, all generally fit in-game, and while I feel the "dealing damage / stealing/regaining mana" thing is might just be a bit too heavy-handed (i.e. every one of his abilities does it/affects it), I'll admit it's cohesive. And again, now you've got a really nice spectrum of "mage-heroes" for your "mage-race"; warrior-mage, archer-mage, and two different kinds of "mage-mages". Pretty much perfect in my eyes.
(though I will offer a note of pedantry; technically the mages of Dalaran would never have consorted with fire magicks in the way your "Thaumaturge" seems to have done; that was actually a big sticking point with the Blood Elves & kinda the theme behind his whole persona (even the tooltip; didn't the site/manual say "Blood Mages... ignore the water & frost magicks of their brethren in favor of the more demonic fire... magicks", or something?).

Anyway. Really sounding better.


This line made me lawl. : )

Eh, I felt like "War Wagon" just did not have the Dalaran feeling to it.

There is no pleasing you with the "Thaumaturge" is there? -.-
Well you know what? He is just a badass like that; say, an enforcer of fire magic. He learned it so he could stop others from learning it, and to know for what to search for if it is suspected that a mage is using fire magic.

 

[Kyrbi0]

There is no pleasing you with the "Thaumaturge" is there? -.-
Well you know what? He is just a badass like that; say, an enforcer of fire magic. He learned it so he could stop others from learning it, and to know for what to search for if it is suspected that a mage is using fire magic.

Lol, don't worry about 'pleasing me'. Just had to point it out; I wouldn't be me if I left it alone. : )

 

[D1vergent]

Looks nice.

 

[Wa666r]

Well thank you. I try to keep them nice and shiny.

 

[Dusthoof]

all rase is awesome! 5/5! but maybe you can creat Tauren rase? and maybe can creat all rase in one map?

 

[Cristopher]

nice map man.... but the first time its a little weird xD

 

[Wa666r]

nice map man.... but the first time its a little weird xD

why so?

 

[Cristopher]

because... all the units its so different! and the hero too... but its very cool

 

[Wa666r]

because... all the units its so different! and the hero too... but its very cool

That's how custom factions work, my friend. I have multiple; enjoy.

 

[Cristopher]

i know! i love all your maps!!!! good job! and... do you make map for Burning Legion? because i love so much the burning legion!

 

[Wa666r]

i know! i love all your maps!!!! good job! and... do you make map for Burning Legion? because i love so much the burning legion!

No Burning Legion, the closest thing would be the Illidari.

 

[Cristopher]

after that... or after a time... can you do Burgning Legion? xD