Elementals

[Wazzz]

A discussion created for the Elementals because Misha was too busy to make one

Anywayz, here goes discussion about such a peculiar race that seems to remain slightly unmentioned in Warcraft itself. So, I hope to hear some awesome ideas

 

[Misha]

Great

now..... should we get all elementals in one race or separate into each own element?

 

[Wazzz]

I would like them to be both. I shall explain what I mean.

The separate elements are sub-races, creating a whole race. Therefore, they are separate in their own way, but come together to form an alliance. This, in my opinion, should be done with the Elemental Lords.

Now, a question for you. When you speak of particular units, how much will you want them to be doing? Will you, for example, specify abilities, models/icons, stats, etc.? I guess I'll find out soon (I will try and do everything you ask, so don't hesitate to )

 

[Misha]

First the buldings C: the shouldn't just lay around... some should move, some should float on water, some should fly and only some, should stay where they are.

fire, earth, water and wind (moving, staying, floating and flying)

 

[Misha]

heroes: Firelord, jigrael's lightning elemental and someone's earth elemental. (http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=47927&prev=search=earth%20elemental&d=list&r=20)

 

[Wazzz]

A flying building would be awesome, shall I have it actually flying?

Mind you, I remember someone made all different Elemental Planes models, but I s'pose you won't want them to be used, as they wouldn't fit the role you want played too well.

I'm sure I'd be able to find suitable models for that

Heroes should be np, what about a Water one too?

And shall this race be in melee form, or campaign? That is to say, shall it be melee compatible or in the form of, let's say, the Naga? Well, I s'pose with 4 buildings producing units, it should be melee compatible. That means there will be more upgrades, too (I love a challenge ).

 

[Misha]

yes, actually flying and only targetable by flying or ranged (wind buildings)

...i don't know of any elemental planes or do you mean the lore

3 heroes should be fine... because there are soo much water elementals, i should use 'em as brute force.

.....i am not sure of that because i still need to think up buldings.. which will be quite a few.

 

[Wazzz]

Yeah, I'll make it melee compatible, just for the challenge. Also, if it's melee compatible, it could be much better for using in a campaign (could be a lead race played by the player just like in a melee campaign ;D).

Well, I'm not entirely sure if they're here on the hive, but I've seen models of the different planes, wasn't bad models, small filesize, but I don't think they'd suit our purposes . I don't think I have them anymore, either

Well, there'd be an altar, a town hall, a food production building, a tower and a lumber mill (possibly use unit producing buildings as that) to go. Also, what will the final unit be? Will it be a specific element, or a new element? I have an idea, but that's for my project, and you might have a better idea.

 

[Misha]

i think of incorporating number requirements into elemental units.. like... you can't make advanced fire elementals without 3 firechargers (towers) and so on... i want to make it challenging to play C:

 

[Misha]

water elementals should function like acolyte workers and build an entangled (disguised haunted) gold mine (funny eh)
(and they should also gather lumber)

 

[Wazzz]

Okay, can be done.

I'll see about the multiple building requirements, often wondered about it and wanted to use it, so now I'll find out

So, there are already 8 buildings lol, perhaps I'll make the various towers upgradeable from a base tower?

 

[AIagremm]

Here is the info of elemental plane(which has some really intersting information that can be used for our race)
Phoenixes, elemental Salamanders and Revenants are elemental creatures.
We must have portal buildings(and some other).
We should also remeber that they were the servants of Old Gods.

 

[Misha]

nope no tower upgrades. but they will have inpact (again numbers) no advanced buldings without certain element towers C:

 

[AIagremm]

I recomend to read about the planes of Elemental Plane.
I liked the part about the flying fortress.

 

[Misha]

hmm... elemental planes.. maybe just for names. i have my own things C:

 

[AIagremm]

I dont mean that you have to use that name.
We are the race creators! We can change whatever we want!

 

[Misha]

yup.. but the names are the last of my concerns right now C:

when am i gonna see a wip pic with random ingame models?

 

[Wazzz]

Prlly not too soon, I haven't been free for a bit, I'll see what I can do though

As for no tower upgrades, I find that a little awkward because the Worker unit would run out of spaces for all the various buildings it will need to be able to build, which would be bad

So, a quick run-down of the buildings. There's the four different Element ones, the 4 different towers (that I think will need to be Tower Upgrades), an Altar and a Main building and then there'd be others that I won't go into yet (Lumber mill-ish thing, item shop, food prod.). Also, I was thinking instead of having a food prod. building, should it be the tower's that are required for different elementals? That would be cool, so I'll see what you think

 

[AIagremm]

Tower of Fire Essence? ^^

 

[Misha]

well .. the upgrades might be a nice idea after all.... startin' with nonfiring crystal tower that may upgrade to some of the four elemental towers. (just i don't want to call 'em towers)

buildings:
Main building
Crystal for food that can upgrade to "elemental towers" that too double as food
earth,water,air,fire buildings
Shop? i doubt they would need a shop. Hey, the've come with a vengance to reclaim what was theirs and have no time for shopping spree Cx
Goldmine: entangled (disguized haunted)
research place

and i think self-processing wood gatherers would be neat C: Like wood consuming lava spawn ^_^

 

[Wazzz]

Perhaps not double the food, it would be fair to even leave it the same.

Instead of towers, how about Annex or something like that?

Hm... Haunted Gold Mine, eh? What confuses me is how it determines what is mining it. I'm just wondering what stops Acolytes using them. I'm not sure

Self-processing wood gatherers? Like Wisps? Only... better?

 

[AIagremm]

Entangled gold mine model is strange... for the elementals.
Like the idea about discuised haunted gold mine, but we need to think of something that is more... elemental

 

[Misha]

i have my own ideas and thou shall do as i tell thee

well.. i give thee the liberty to chose between small food towers and a large elemental crystal for food.

and about mine... haunted goldmine WITH an entangled gold mine model. (that suits perfectly for a non-moving earth elemental building. keep that in mind) and custom water elemental workers shall harvest like acolytes.

about wood... i think a custom lava-spawn with a "return lumber" ability in him should do nicely... i've tried that and it worked greatly

 

[Wazzz]

Hm... sounds alright
So, the lava-spawn... does that return lumber like Peasants and Orcs, or like Wisps? I will do as you wish, though

I think the 'food towers' should be large crystals for each element using the Frostmourne model with different colouring (it would work ) with about 8 food for each (as you need them to advance). Oh, and there'll be tiers, won't there? That would work so well .

I'm thinking the first tier units shall be Air, then Water and Fire, and finally Earth. Air will be flying (an upgradeable ability), Fire shall be siege, Water casters and Earth the tanks

 

[Wazzz]

Well, that's what I planned for my race, you might have different ideas (I hope so, too )

 

[Misha]

simply add "return lumber" and "harvest" (ghoul) to custom lava spawn and don't worry

Yes, your ideas are good too :3 about upgradable flying.. well no.. fire buildings may have upgradable moving. but keep units as they are. flying wind units

about crystals.. i'd rather go with elemental efects strapped to 'em than coloration...

 

[Wazzz]

Whut? That second line made little sense . I'm talking about you make an upgrade, and it allows the 'Take Off' ability on Air Elementals and Storm Elementals (Or whatever they will be ), which is like the Gargoyle's Stone Form ability in reverse

Yea, I'll see about elemental effects should be right

 

[Misha]

ah =] i thought you meant buldings... =]

yes, that might be nice =]

 

[Wazzz]

Sweet
It was my original idea for my own Elemental race (and still is ), but I give you loan of that one lol XD

I also have some other ideas for units, but this is not my race, it is indeed yours . I am but the hands . BTW, any units you want me to make, or should I try going for a WIP of the buildings first?

 

[Misha]

Well.... try to find various wind elementals and somewhat crystal doodads for building attachments... and then show me a WIP pic of buildings and units..

then i'll add more

 

[Wazzz]

Mkay
BTW, found the Elemental Planes models, here on the hive, too
I'll use them in the WIP and let you decide whether or not you like them

 

[Misha]

very well Wazzz ?=3

 

[Misha]

I'm adding combining of two elementals into storm and hurricane elementals, Via NE hypogryph mount ability =] hope you can do it Wazzz.

 

[Wazzz]

Only those two? Kk, thought you meant the whole race
I was thinking you'd want me to make it so that you have the four basic elementals, then you combined them in different ways to get more units

So, which ones do you want combined? I'm more than capable of it

 

[Misha]

well get me a WIP race and i shall see =] but there will be wind house elementals that will morph =]

 

[Wazzz]

Well, the WIP won't be for a bit, I'm afraid I've commited to a bit already and have found myself rather bust, but it should take too long to make a WIP, so I'll finish it when I can

 

[Misha]

as long as you're actiually doin' it, i'm fine =]

 

[Wazzz]

Awesome

 

[Misha]

...any.... progress? oO

 

[Wazzz]

Not much yet, I've recently been able to revive an old project and am in love with its possibilities
I look forward to getting it complete so I can share it with the hive
As for the Elementals, I shall try and produce a WIP ASAP. Now, did you want me to include any units in the screeny? Or was it just the buildings? Which were the 4 different Elemental buildings, an Altar, the Crystal Things and a Town Hall. Were there any particular names you wanted for any of these buildings? Namely the Town Hall and the Altar. The Crystals will prlly be of the element as will the unit production buildings

 

[Misha]

i personally have named only the required fire tower as "firecharger" The rest is to Interceptor to figure out names as he kindly agreed to do

Yeah, a screenie with buildings and units in a base should be good. and don't forget to use good attachments.

 

[AIagremm]

And how does the altar and town hall look like?
I can help with the names, if you tell me.

 

[Misha]

well altar should be circle of power with some cool atachments :3

and for townhall tier1, tier2 and tier3 i'd like to use something that loks like a pyramid. with graveyard ability with: First tier: 3 crystals around; Second tier: 4 crystals around; Third tier: 5 crystals around.

manageable?

 

[Misha]

.. and Alagremm when Interceptor gives me names, you too are free to type some of your C: Then i'll make a namelist of what i find nice.

 

[Wazzz]

Well, the reason I ask for a name in particular is so that I know what I'm trying to create it to look like
Circle of Power with cool attachments... that could work well
I'll use the Graveyard ability for that one

So, something pyramid like... I'll look at imports, too, but I'm thinking either the Nerubian Ziggurat or that Sunken Ruins doodad that looks similar

Mind you, there's this, but I it's an actual pyramid, and I don't like it for this particular project . Anyway, here it is, you might have bad taste, after all Misha lol:
Pyramid model

As for the idea with the Crystals... well, I gotta be honest with you... I love it! XD

 

[Misha]

about pyramide model..... i was talkin' about something simmilar to Protoss nexus model by Killst4r C: but i am not sure of it's texture.... oO

should check it out......

 

[Misha]

Warning: Epic pic :)

WHOOPSIE This model is a bit too much

I know..... let's go with nerubian ziggurat C:

 

[Phoonix]

no it's EPIC!

 

[Misha]

EPICLY too much.

i'd rather go with nerubian ziggurat

 

[AIagremm]

Its epic all right.
but its texture is too... protossy.
Nerubian zikkurat is better