It reminds me of people that say "I don't do drugs, they are bad." while holding a cigarette and a beer.
I'm known for saying "I don't do drugs, drink beer, or smoke" while raiding in world of warcraft to 3am.
It reminds me of people that say "I don't do drugs, they are bad." while holding a cigarette and a beer.
No shit. Really? Source please.In the US, the time in which drinking was at it's peak of use was when it was illegal - along with the dangers associated with it, without standards things like moonshine could be sold (not legally of course) - after it became legal again the popularity and amount of alcohol addicts decreased over time.
Same as weed. Did you know George Washington grew marijuana?The only difference between beer and drugs is that beer has been traditional for thousands of years thus that holds up in law today.
Spend two seconds looking. The cannabis family didn't evolve just recently, and neither did people find out it had interesting properties just recently either. Same as coca, as someone else pointed out. Tobacco too. Oh, and how ancient are opiates?Prove it.
Are you honestly citing morphine as an alternative to marijuana? Do you realize that morphine is a hard drug? It is unquestionably physically addictive, hard addictive, with possibly fatal withdrawal symptoms?Weed provides hardly any benefit, and if you really need it for medical purposes, they invented morphine and their equivalents for that.
Such offices already exist. Regulating drugs isn't a new thing. Need I ask that you explain the exact mechanics that would make the legalized state of marijuana so expensive, so that your argument can be properly debated?Yet another big-government bureaucracy that would be built up to...
Has anyone said that?People who think legalising it is going to usher in this new world order of awesome rainbow flavoured peace and love.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but my breed isn't like that.The most psychoactive cannabinoids chemical in marijuana that has the biggest impact on the brain is tetrahydrocannibol, or THC. THC is the main active ingredient in marijuana.
Weed is used in food too, seriously, they sell alot of food with weed in Amsterdam for instance.
There is no scientific proof that weed causes brain damage, it can only mess up your lungs, but the same can be said fir cigarettes which are legal, alcohol (strong alcoholo 40% +) even when drunk in moderation wrecks your liver and kidneys.
Wait, you mean there is weed in my cooked egg here? D;
Let's try and sum this up:
- Elenai is a conversative evangelical roleplayer.
- Alcohol is drugs.
- You are talking way too serious, take a sip of this shit.
- Weed is considered fine according to European standards and bad by the US of A (however, only Elenai supports this).
- Don't involve chemistry in this topic, this aint Medivh Tower.
Brb, got stuff cooking.
Spend two seconds looking. The cannabis family didn't evolve just recently, and neither did people find out it had interesting properties just recently either. Same as coca, as someone else pointed out. Tobacco too. Oh, and how ancient are opiates?
Are you honestly citing morphine as an alternative to marijuana? Do you realize that morphine is a hard drug? It is unquestionably physically addictive, hard addictive, with possibly fatal withdrawal symptoms?
Such offices already exist. Regulating drugs isn't a new thing. Need I ask that you explain the exact mechanics that would make the legalized state of marijuana so expensive, so that your argument can be properly debated?
hakeem said:Spend two seconds looking.
Has anyone said that?
Elenai said:Secondly: It is done under medical supervision, as it should be: Not recreational with a doctor's excuse like weed.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but my breed isn't like that.
Yeah, that's right. I knocked it up a notch. You want to talk cannabis? Let's talk cannabis. The whole family of plant. Breeds and all. Link whatever studies and factual science you like, and we can start ruling out the breeds that turned up negative results, and accepting the breeds that brought up positive results. Provided those studies even knew to note the breed they used. If they even knew which breed they used.
I can assure you that nobody is fully informed on this subject because such knowledge is impossible to obtain by a solitary individual.
Summary: Marijuana is way less dangerous than alcohol, yet it's not that good for us and you shouldn't smoke it unless you want to spend the next 150 years sitting on your ass smoking weed.
Jesus used marijuana to heal people
Several studies have reported that moderate drinkers -- those who have one or two drinks per day -- are less likely to develop heart disease than people who do not drink any alcohol or who drink larger amounts. Small amounts of alcohol may help protect against coronary heart disease by raising levels of "good" HDL cholesterol and by reducing the risk of blood clots in the coronary arteries.
...then we get into bureaucracy, regulation...taxes...ugh...
Technically, if it affects you, it affects the people around you.
No matter your age, your parents will likely be worried; you'd annoy people like me to the point of ridicule; you'd likely lose friends, and your remaining friends would be worried, etc.
I applaud the most sane post in this thread.When it comes down to it, whatever you do to yourself is your own fault - as long as your not affecting other people, then in the large scope something like weed isn't terrible. Perhaps the problem here is not whether it should be legal or not, but if social smoking (like in public places) should be illegal (In the same way that you can't be drunk in public). The problem I see with this is that pot smoke could spread through ventilation, thus you would have a problem in an apartment - you'd be affecting other people.
I never lost friends because of being high. And if my friends would start to dislike me because of weed, they should end their lame lives asap :3
Perhaps it doesn't grow well in Egypt?I have yet to see an Egyptian hieroglyphic wall featuring scooby-doo and the rest of the gang...I do however, see alot of references to wine, and beer.
That is because one needs heavy supervision and the other does not.It is done under medical supervision, as it should be: Not recreational with a doctor's excuse like weed.
There is nothing basic about a complex system of our own fabrication. It is fully logical that cannabis did not evolve recently and that we didn't just recently discover it has interesting properties. "Everything legal needs expensive regulation," on the other hand, is not intuitively understood. Are there expensive-to-maintain regulations in place for the legal product rubber cement?This is an area of basic economics, basic government, and basic market.
I was debating whether or not to say, "And no, it is no implied," in my previous post. I can see I was wrong. No, nobody is saying legalizing it will make the world a happy and peaceful place. The argument is that nobody needs to go to jail because they consume or produce weed.It is definitely an underlying keynote.
Making it illegal does not remove the poison. No, it does not, and if you think so, you fail miserably to see the world around you. No substance has ever gone away because it was illegal. Making it illegal removes the ability of the people to be responsible with it. How can we teach "safe sex" if sex is illegal?On an alternate note, Cultural Poison, remains poison none the less, you remove poison out of a system, you don't legalise it.
Yes, I like that it appears that way too. Despite that in a previous post in this thread I identified myself as someone who does not smoke.I really like how fiercely you appear to be defending "your breed"
Right. However, Russian Roulette is more dangerous because bullets to the head are usually fatal, and you don't know where the bullet is. If you knew where the bullet was, you could stop while you're ahead is still intact. With weed, you can stop before you do real damage.Playing Russian Roulette is okay too...just as long as you don't get shot...
Right?
Everyone thinks it, anyway. Also, as someone pointed out earlier, there are more ways to consume marijuana than smoking it.Almost everyone knows that smoking causes cancer, emphysema, and heart disease; that it can shorten your life by 10 years or more.
How some artificial sweeteners got past the FDA is a matter of downright corruption. I would gladly make some of them illegal. Though I would not make alcohol illegal.If you are banning alcohol, then why not ban coffee as that also is a drug or why not artificial sweetner as that is closly related to a neurotoxin.
I pick the side that has food to eat."Ban food, it makes you fat."
One side of the extreme.
"Lets bottle urine! Because if water is drinkable, so should urine! Urine can be drank you know without harming you! People dying of thirst in deserts do it all the time and live perfectly normal lives!!!"
The other side of the extreme.
This would be the one to handle it in the context of the hypothetical legalization method you assert.http://www.atf.gov/ regulates tobacco, alcohol, firearms, and explosives.
Elenai said:I have yet to see an Egyptian hieroglyphic wall featuring scooby-doo and the rest of the gang...I do however, see alot of references to wine, and beer.
Hakeem said:Perhaps it doesn't grow well in Egypt?
Hakeem said:Everyone thinks it, anyway. Also, as someone pointed out earlier, there are more ways to consume marijuana than smoking it.
Argument against smoking.Smokers pollute the air around them
Argument against government funded health care. What you are literally saying with that is that the people should not pay for the self-inflicted harm that arises from tobacco abuse.and waste tax money on medical care (far more than their smokes ever give in return as tax).
Argument against spitting on the street.Chewers would spit it all over the streets.
Of course you don't know. You've read the Bible as it is and not as how it was. The Bible has been changed over the years. Especially the time it was translated from Hebrew to other languages so not only priests could read it. Things like what you should eat (Jesus was a vegetarian) and how you should act and tons of more stuff.No he didn't. I would certainly know.
Coffee isn't bad at all, lol. It greatly reduces the chance of cancer, more than anything else. The only bad thing about coffee is that your teeth will look ugly after a while.If you are banning alcohol, then why not ban coffee as that also is a drug or why not artificial sweetner as that is closly related to a neurotoxin.
If only you people would realise how silly you sound.
Chewing tobacco is seriously dangerous on your mouth health. The chemicals make great mutagens so cancer of the mouth is highly likely.
Tobacco needs to be banned peroid from personal consumption. Smokers pollute the air around them and waste tax money on medical care (far more than their smokes ever give in return as tax). Chewers would spit it all over the streets, and honestly it would look horriable cities.
Problems such as...? As far as I know, it's just another plant in terms of growing it.It's an unavoidable fact that it will cause a lot of problems to grow.
It really can't. Just like it can't do without alcohol. While any given individual may not need it, the probability is 1 that there will be a community doing it.[It] is a risk that society can do without.
Problems such as...? As far as I know, it's just another plant in terms of growing it.
Dangerous driving, suicide, cancer, mental disorder, physical deterioration, any other negative effects of mind-altering substances
Of course you don't know. You've read the Bible as it is and not as how it was. The Bible has been changed over the years. Especially the time it was translated from Hebrew to other languages so not only priests could read it. Things like what you should eat (Jesus was a vegetarian) and how you should act and tons of more stuff.
Also, marijuana and other drugs were very common at that time.
marijuana and other drugs were very common at that time.
Of course you don't know. You've read the Bible as it is and not as how it was.
I didn't say you didn't know YOUR GOD, I said the Bible has been changed and/or translated incorrectly over the years. A good example is the story about Jesus turning water into wine. You know what wine was back in the days Jesus lived? It was what we now call lemonade. Seriously.You see...this bothers me quite a bit for the following reason...You are telling me I don't know how MY GOD is, who he is, or how he acted, based on a worthy text, and you are telling me that you know him, how he acted, and who he was? Based on literally nothing?
He was a vegetarian. It doesn't say so in the Bible, but in plenty of the books the were removed and/or not included in the Bible. Also, you can eat fish and still be a vegetarian. Vegan and Vegetarian are two different things.He wasn't a vegetarian by the way...That is plain idiocy, he ate fish, lamb at the passover meal, he perfectly fulfilled The Law, and that includes the celebrations that involved the consumption of meat. I'll trust the Bible, over your fallible, and error filled fancy.