Dota Deny System

[Moderator]

12th Dec 2015
IcemanBo: Too long as NeedsFix. Rejected.

Dota Deny System | Reviewed by Maker | 13th May 2013

NEEDS FIX

Update the description, explain what the system does and what it is useful for

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[Almia]

Ah. DotA Deny. Psshhh.

Lemme review this very simple system.

1) Leaks
2) Very Simple(as stated by me)
3) No setups even though lots of constants.
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If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions) If - Conditions (Life of (Target unit of issued order)) Less than or equal to ((Max life of (Target unit of issued order)) x (2.00 / 3.00)) Then - Actions Else - Actions For each (Integer A) from 1 to 3, do (Actions) Loop - Actions Unit - Order (Triggering unit) to Hold Position Wait 0.10 seconds

I see what you did here. If you just set the comparison to Greater than,you won't be messing with else.

5) Wait?

Votes for NF.

 

[defskull]

I wonder what is NF ?
Null Failure ?

 

[Almia]

Needs Fix

 

[zv27]

Integer A poor solution
For each (Integer A) from 1 to 3, do (Actions)
As far as I know, should be 10 not 3 [Dota has 10 players]
wait 0.10 poor solution
and post trigger man...

 

[Almia]

^ You are wrong. He is not referring to the players. He wants to delay the attack.

 

[Maker]

The description is lacking, it doesn't tell what the system does.

Waits are inaccurate, that 0.1 seconds wait will be 0.2-0.3 seconds in single player, possible more in multiplayer. Thus the unit will act in an unfavorable manner for upto 0.6 seconds.

The system is quite simple so it might not get approved.

 

[gorillabull]

The description is lacking, it doesn't tell what the system does.

nothing needs a description if its based on a dota resource u ever heard of omnislash XDp:

 

[Almia]

Btw,this is not very exact to DotA's,simply because their deny system allows to deny heroes that has buffs of Doom, Venomous Gale, Shadow Strike, Viper Strike and Poison Nova and the hero's life must be less than 25%

 

[Doomlord]

It is more or less a presumed universal rule that Dota resources don't need proper descriptions. You see the name, you get what it does simultaneously.

I can't open the map so uhm, does this support reduced XP gain or just a way to kill an ally unit when its HP drops below a certain rate? Oh and also is there a method to stop units from attacking if denial isn't available yet?

 

[Maker]

nothing needs a description if its based on a dota resource

It is more or less a presumed universal rule that Dota resources don't need proper descriptions.

We can't enforce rules if they are not the same for all spells and systems. The rule is that spells and systems must have adequate descriptions.

What is adequate then you might ask? It must state what it does. "Lulz copied from DotA!" isn't an adequate description.

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/submissions-414/spell-submission-rules-230362/

 

[Doomlord]

We can't enforce rules if they are not the same for all spells and systems. The rule is that spells and systems must have adequate descriptions.

What is adequate then you might ask? It must state what it does. "Lulz copied from DotA!" isn't an adequate description.

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/submissions-414/spell-submission-rules-230362/

Yes you are correct. I am just pointing out a fact about Dota-esque resources that many newbies keep believing in.

Btw "Lulz copied from DotA!" scores

 

[Almia]

Anyways, I agree with Maker. This system needs description no matter what. So many Warcraft 3 Modders here haven't played DotA so they didn't know what DotA Mechanics are.

 

[xchan]

deny system is very easy to do actually, just stop the unit attacking a creep with high hp.. if you know what i mean

 

[Legal_Ease]

This announces any friendly kill. That's not a deny. To be a deny, a unit must be in danger of being killed by an enemy. There needs to be a condition regarding the threat. Something like "distance between deny_unit and unit owner by an enemy player less than 600" or something to make sure it actually functions.