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Very pleasing to the eyes, I think the tileset is one of the best in Warcraft. <3
It does not break any of the melee requirements.
The layout's cool and it's quite a lot of fun to play.
However the archway placement near the marketplaces is a bit off (they're not quite on par with the pillars)
And the passage overall is very small.
This is quite a big map for 1v1, but still fresh.
Final note: Add some trees to the bonus mines in the center.​

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[UndeadImmortal]

The terrain... it is purely made in epicness!

Oh and, you forgot to set the category in your map.

 

[Remixer]

Thanks for pointing out category missing, fixed.

 

[Forsaken]

very cool your maps, but this is the better terrain
just love the terrain <3

 

[Remixer]

very cool your maps, but this is the better terrain
just love the terrain <3

Other my maps has been made in 1-1,75 hours. So this map took three times more time and I assume you can see it in results.

 

[Arrr]

Mhh! I enjoyed it!
The only thing is that.. it's so difficoult moving throught those small bridges >.<
Anyway, they are a feature of the map, aren't they?
Good job

 

[Remixer]

Mhh! I enjoyed it!
The only thing is that.. it's so difficoult moving throught those small bridges >.<
Anyway, they are a feature of the map, aren't they?
Good job

Yes, they are part of the map's feeling and theme. I was thinking same when I was making the map so it led me to make the Goblin Laboratory.

Thanks for feedback.

 

[PKCrafty]

When I first started the game and saw the terrain I thought I was playing diablo 3. It looks like you even edited the texture on the palm trees. One of the best terrain I've seen in awhile. You should make RPG maps with that skill.

This map has perfect symmertrical lining. Which you need this have to a well balanced melee map.

I would like to see two of the market places to be goblin merchants, having 4 marketplaces is kinda imbalanced to begin with.

Another thing is the level 10 dragon turtle at the natural mines is a bit ridiculous hehe. Especially when starting gold amount is only 7500 and the natural is only 5000.
I'd suggest removing the level 10 turtles, or making starter gold 10k and the natural mine 7.5k or 12500 start gold and 9500 natural. That way if you do keep the turtles you can actually have some gold left to stay in the keep instead of not being to expand quickly on your natural because it is imba!

Other then that I really do like this map, it reminds me alot of RPG games. I like how lively you made the map with netural Naga and Mur'gul spread around the map.

I rate this map 5/5 and [color=green2]+rep[/color]!

 

[Remixer]

Map Updated!
Map has been updated, due to feedback the amounts of gold in the turtle goldmines has been set to 7500 gold instead of 5000. Also the base goldmines gold amount has been set to 10000. Also added 2 Goblin Merchants, however Market places has not been changed. Also added 2 orange camps to guard the Goblin Merchants. You can also see down archs under the bridges now.

 

[-Kobas-]

Map Review Depths Temples Created by Remixer ; Uploaded by: Remixer Terrain pathing is horrible, even if we avoid trees, there are still too many errors here. For example, hero can be spawned and blocked between doodads and tavern. Conecting whole map with just bridges is bad idea, huge army won't be able to move easy from once place to another, positioning creeps into right place in fight will be problem, not to mention huge number of spawned units for example if you play as Undead and focus on Rise Skeletons (Necromancer) and Spawn Skeletons (Item) abilities. Expansions in map middle are somehow bad, there is no enough lumber and large bricks tile will limit build-able area for your structures. Human towers are more suitable here than Undead ones because of smaller pathing ground for example. Terrain is often plain and empty, you should add more environment doodads, some lightning doodads and special effect doodads. The way you used Naga as Neutral Passive is magnificent, really nice idea, but again you made mistake and placed few Murlock like units near taverns. I fond this bad idea, because you have almost same units as neutral hostile just few points away near Goblin Merchant. Item drops are more or less fine. Do not drop level 7 or level 8 artifact by level, drop artifact by class, so there is chance for both levels to drop equally (Good for Macrura, bad for Turtle). You should drop artifact items so many times, you have players in your map, it means in your case max 2, this is more or less "rule" for small sized maps, you don't want to spam 2 many legendary items like this one, melee map isn't AOS or RPG, there is no need to overpower hero too much. I suggest increasing playable map area by simple reducing camera borders even more, this will fix lumber resource supply in map center located expansions. Keep the level of Ruined Pilars and Statues, but drastically increase number or shrubs, rocks and other such like objects. Add some effects to naga units. Remove 4 Marketplaces, this neutral building is useless in such small maps. I think, I covered everything, if not you can always check my melee map tutorial for few more instructions. Finally I hope, this critics didn't scared you much, keep working. Note to moderators, suggested map rating: 2/5 Lacking (in current state) With improvements above and maybe few more unique things like Naga Neutrals and you can possible score 4/5 Recommended. Much love, -Kobas-.

 

[Remixer]

Ancient Ruins Saga is getting a new map soon. This time 2 player map called 'Ancient Warfield' or 'Ancient Snakecrown' depending of which one you vote for.

 

[PurgeandFire]

This is a pretty solid map. I like the number of goldmines, and the number of creep camps is a good amount. The terrain is also lovely.

The dragon turtle creep camp felt a bit strong, though. Also, the pathways are too narrow.

This is an old map, but I just felt like commenting on it. It was a fun map to play overall.

 

[deepstrasz]

-not really nice using Murlocs from the same set (Sunken Ruins) as both hostile and passive units
-Amulet of the Wild dropped by the leader of the mob defending the Goblin Laboratory. A powerful unit summoning pillaged from a medium threat hostile group
-the middle looks interesting. Too bad players can't get their land units through there

 

[Remixer]

-not really nice using Murlocs from the same set (Sunken Ruins) as both hostile and passive units
-Amulet of the Wild dropped by the leader of the mob defending the Goblin Laboratory. A powerful unit summoning pillaged from a medium threat hostile group
-the middle looks interesting. Too bad players can't get their land units through there

Indeed. I changed the neutral murguls to naga units/murlos and they should have spell immunities (except murlocs).
Also changed item drops. Yes, the middle is a tease =)

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Map Review Depths Temples Created by Remixer ; Uploaded by: Remixer Terrain pathing is horrible, even if we avoid trees, there are still too many errors here. For example, hero can be spawned and blocked between doodads and tavern. Conecting whole map with just bridges is bad idea, huge army won't be able to move easy from once place to another, positioning creeps into right place in fight will be problem, not to mention huge number of spawned units for example if you play as Undead and focus on Rise Skeletons (Necromancer) and Spawn Skeletons (Item) abilities. Expansions in map middle are somehow bad, there is no enough lumber and large bricks tile will limit build-able area for your structures. Human towers are more suitable here than Undead ones because of smaller pathing ground for example. Terrain is often plain and empty, you should add more environment doodads, some lightning doodads and special effect doodads. The way you used Naga as Neutral Passive is magnificent, really nice idea, but again you made mistake and placed few Murlock like units near taverns. I fond this bad idea, because you have almost same units as neutral hostile just few points away near Goblin Merchant. Item drops are more or less fine. Do not drop level 7 or level 8 artifact by level, drop artifact by class, so there is chance for both levels to drop equally (Good for Macrura, bad for Turtle). You should drop artifact items so many times, you have players in your map, it means in your case max 2, this is more or less "rule" for small sized maps, you don't want to spam 2 many legendary items like this one, melee map isn't AOS or RPG, there is no need to overpower hero too much. I suggest increasing playable map area by simple reducing camera borders even more, this will fix lumber resource supply in map center located expansions. Keep the level of Ruined Pilars and Statues, but drastically increase number or shrubs, rocks and other such like objects. Add some effects to naga units. Remove 4 Marketplaces, this neutral building is useless in such small maps. I think, I covered everything, if not you can always check my melee map tutorial for few more instructions. Finally I hope, this critics didn't scared you much, keep working. Note to moderators, suggested map rating: 2/5 Lacking (in current state) With improvements above and maybe few more unique things like Naga Neutrals and you can possible score 4/5 Recommended. Much love, -Kobas-.

This is the best comment written! I wanted to tell the creator the same thing but you already did it! ^_^

 

[Vel (Tien-Yun) Wu]

Is this map getting a rework anytime soon? Altho it is true that you can see some of its elements getting carried over to Ancient Falls which is in my opinion a much more enjoyable map (gameplay wise), this one has an interior feeling that is just too unique to give up on.

I consider myself bad at aesthetics, so I'd only suggest strategic changes. Ever considered putting a Fountain of Mana in that shrine area populated by neutral Naga? A similar element is seen on the old Blizzard map. (8)The Crucible.

 

[Remixer]

Is this map getting a rework anytime soon? Altho it is true that you can see some of its elements getting carried over to Ancient Falls which is in my opinion a much more enjoyable map (gameplay wise), this one has an interior feeling that is just too unique to give up on.

I consider myself bad at aesthetics, so I'd only suggest strategic changes. Ever considered putting a Fountain of Mana in that shrine area populated by neutral Naga? A similar element is seen on the old Blizzard map. (8)The Crucible.

For now no revamp for this map is planned

 

[Vel (Tien-Yun) Wu]

For now no revamp for this map is planned

Alright, then.

What is the map currently undergoing revamp, if you can give a hint??

 

[Remixer]

Alright, then.

What is the map currently undergoing revamp, if you can give a hint??

I'm currently working on a series of 5 brand new melee maps that will together form the Project - [Dusk].

No melee map is currently under revamping, but the three highest priorities are (8) Queen's Garden, (4) Forged Thunder and (2) Blood Shores.

 

[Vel (Tien-Yun) Wu]

I'm currently working on a series of 5 brand new melee maps that will together form the Project - [Dusk].

No melee map is currently under revamping, but the three highest priorities are (8) Queen's Garden, (4) Forged Thunder and (2) Blood Shores.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeally?

The very idea of "Dusk" sound intriguing already. Hope to see your new releases soon.
I agree that the three you listed as high priorities are less exciting than most of your other creations.
But seriouly. Dusk! I can't wait to find what such a project could bring about.

 

[Remixer]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeally?

The very idea of "Dusk" sound intriguing already. Hope to see your new releases soon.
I agree that the three you listed as high priorities are less exciting than most of your other creations.
But seriouly. Dusk! I can't wait to find what such a project could bring about.

You need to understand that Project [Dusk] is merely the name of the project, and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual maps.

The thread of the project is most likely going up this week so you can read more information there. For now all info that is public of the project is this header:

and whatever conclusions you can make from the name of the album.

 

[Vel (Tien-Yun) Wu]

You need to understand that Project [Dusk] is merely the name of the project, and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual maps.

The thread of the project is most likely going up this week so you can read more information there. For now all info that is public of the project is this header:

and whatever conclusions you can make from the name of the album.

Hmm. This looks to be a theme quite different from your [Ancient] project which is all about tropical beauty and Sunken Ruins
The fact I am way more excited about this than Diablo3's Necromancer DLC means you're doing a damn good job, Remixer