Dark Times

[fr0ggE]

I played through the map a second time, and things were much faster/easier this time through. I was the human sorceress (instead of the elvish "move things around" mage), and I think she might be a bit more powerful than Mr. Move Things about. But then again, I was also min/maxing a lot more this time, since I knew the proper order to do things, and how all the in-game systems worked.

By the way, I didn't buy any "big items" this time, until very late. Instead, every time I got 500 gold or a purple soul thing, I immediately transformed them into a talent point at my stash, and I maxed talents points by around level 10-12. I even had one extra talent point at the end of the game (from reaching level 15), and still bought two "leet" items at the end.

--COLORS--
9. The "Dark Purple" used in several places (like for "experience" rewards) is too dark to read.

10. Similarly, the "Light Brown" used for Pendant of Water, and the other Amulet you get from the Kraken also is hard to see in game. The different colors are cool, but you should check them all carefully in game to make sure they both stand out and are legible

--ITEMS-- Overall, the user interaction with items has the most room for improvement.

11. Increase the selection size of items...they are hard to select and pick up sometimes

12. Don't drop items directly on top of each other (harder to pick up). Sometimes globes of health/mana which you don't want to pick up yet block you from picking up an item you want, because they are all overlapping. Maybe on monster/chest death, drop the items a random (small) distance from the dying monster's position instead of all right at its position?

13. Increase the "item acquisition range" a little bit. I don't remember if it's a global, or a specific unit property, but it would be much nicer if it was increased by 50 or 100 on your backpack unit. I think you backpack unit might be "following" your hero around, because lots of times I couldn't pick up an item if it was in front of me, but I could if it was behind me (because it was closer to the backpack). Players shouldn't have to think about this...increasing item acquisition range might make this all a better experience.

14. When you try to pick up an item which "you are already carrying one of these"...it currently just drops the item at your feet. Better than this, give this item to your "backpack hero" if he has space in his inventory. Much better user experience.

15. Since most classes can use only a small % of items, the user experience of item drops is kind of annoying. A ton of rusty daggers, swords, and armor you can't wear are dropping, and you want to be picking them all up and selling them. I would suggest adding a few "gems" or similar such item into the drop table...when you click on it, it gives you gold (+5, +10, +25, or something like that). This has the same effect as different types of items dropping that you can sell, but is a better experience, because you don't have to leave a bunch of stuff on the ground and are still getting the same benefit. To be clear, I still think rusty daggers and bows, etc, should be dropping, but maybe at about 70% of their current rate, and the other 30% is direct-to-gold.

16. Giving items to your "Stash" doesn't seem to work. Or maybe it does, but didn't work when I tried it. If this does work and I just failed, it's not easy enough yet.

--QUESTS--
17. You get several Quests for the "slums area" long before you can actually go there. Because one came from the Paladin next to a force wall, the first time I played through the game, I thought that the force wall was supposed to lead to the slums and that there was a glitch in the game. Even though it doesn't make a lot of sense to think the slums is through that force wall, it made sense in a way, because the first "clean out the zombies" quest you got from the guy on the right opened the force wall on the right. Since the Paladin is sitting in front of the force wall to the left, it makes sense to think it will open when he gives you his quest. My belief that there was a glitch with the slums area went on for 30-45 minutes before I actually got access to it, because I had all these slums quests, but couldn't actually go there yet. Maybe only turn on the slums quests once the slums are open? Or maybe, indicate in the quest log where the slums are. Or maybe have a guard tell you "Sorry, the slums are off-limits until further notice." whenever you walk near there, until they open up. You don't want your players to be confused.

18. When the "Village Elder" (Medivh model with a guitar) gives you the last quest (Gravekeeper?), he doesn't lose the EXCLAM over his head.

--MISSPELLING / GRAMMAR--
19. "Strength" is misspelled as "Strenght" in many places.

--GAMEPLAY AND HEALING--
20. It would be nice if there were more healers in the game. Running back and forth the church over and over again is a pain. One idea is to put a "village priest" in the Elven Encampment "square" right by the teleporter (where the shops are). Then, you can teleport there from any teleporter and get healed. Better user experience than teleporting all the way to the main town, then walking all the way down to the church, then walking all the way back up to the teleporter, etc.

21. Elixirs/Potions...do they exist ? There is a hint telling you to get one as soon as possible, because they make you more sustainable, but after playing through the game twice, I haven't seen one yet. Maybe adding these in will be a good solution for the "not enough healers" problem above. Another option is to drop health/mana globes slightly more often.

----Thank you so much for making this amazing map. I hope some of these suggestions are helpful. Most of them aren't actualy bugs, but are about improving the player experience.

 

[Veritas 117]

21. Elixirs/Potions...do they exist ? There is a hint telling you to get one as soon as possible, because they make you more sustainable, but after playing through the game twice, I haven't seen one yet. Maybe adding these in will be a good solution for the "not enough healers" problem above. Another option is to drop health/mana globes slightly more often.

You can purchase them in the alchemist shop. Go to the cauldron in the fireplace and buy them from that. They are really really handy. Especially if you save up for the one that replenishes both health and mana while boosting the max health and mana of your hero

 

[fr0ggE]

Ha! Didn't even think of checking that (although I did notice that the cauldron looked cool).


**EDIT:** Just played through again this morning as the Elven Archmage. Wow, the elixirs make a BIG difference! I saved up for the most expensive elixir and got it as my first item. After that I just walked through the Sunken Temple no problem. I died several times on different bosses, but I guess that's going to happen when you solo the game with a mage. Died like 3 times to the Gravekeeper, 3 times to the Ghost House, and (sadly) three times to the ghost boss in the Kobold Cave....I think I did that one out of order. Should have taken on the Kraken first, who I killed easily without dying. Only died once to the Skeleton King. As Darius I beat several bosses without dying.

Anyway, my comments about adding more healing to the game are wrong. The elixirs totally make up for that.

But: are elixirs supposed to be hard to find (like a kind of secret)? Or are they supposed to be obvious. I had no idea they were sitting there in the cauldron (which is very cool, btw). If you want it to be more obvious that they are there, maybe add a special effect to the cauldron, or something like that?

Amazing map.

 

[Lockheart]

Well. This is quite a long one. Imago and I chose to sit together for a proper reply. First of all thanks for your time frogge - now let's begin.

#1

You should remove the butterfly models from the map when they are "found". It's a little confusing to have butterflies still floating around (but not be clickable anymore). I'm guessing the butterfly model doesn't have a death animation and that's why it doesn't disappear?

You got a point. I think so, too. Imago says that they keep staying 'cause they don't got a death animation and together you and I convienced him to remove them due triggers. So this will be changed.

#2

It would be better user experience if you can hit escape during a "cinematic", ie when you are getting a quest. Many people read fast, and then have to wait around for the timer to end.

You can simply skip the cinematic with 'accept quest'. Most imporant details will be displayed or can be inside the Quest Log.

#3

If you accept a quest without first talking to the person, by mistake, there is no good way to get the quest description. Perhaps the Quest Log should contain a little more information?

The displayed text should show the most important details but it's true that I could add some more information to the Quest Log.

#4

A few boss fight seemed completely imbalanced, but then again I was playing single player (easy mode), and it's possible that you're just always going to die without a second player. Mostly I just died over and over again until finally wearing the boss down.

As you stated later you forgot to make good use out of the potions. Especially if you're playing as a solo wizard (or someone as squishy as wiz) you've got to expect some deaths during boss fights without enough sustainability.

#5

I played the Elf Wizard with "Light Grapple"...that is a very cool skill, but I think it could be improved, because it tends to miss a lot. For example, if you cast it on a unit from out of range, your hero walks up and casts the spell. You are expecting that you will cast from the edge of where it will hit, but the spell goes all the way up to the monster and doesn't grab him. I would suggest slightly decreasing the range. on the dummy spell, or slightly increasing the range on the trigger version, so that you are hitting monsters at the edge of your range. Also, many times I cast the spell point-blank on a monster next to me and it missed. I think maybe it should hit things in a "wider" area, just by a little.

Imago recognized this, too while testing him. If you cast the spell right infront of the enemy unit (you don't have to klick the enemy itself) Light Grapple flies straight and hits. However, the spell will get a "wider" hit area.

#6

This is the biggest "bug": "Saving" doesn't seem to work very well. I have this same problem in my map, actually. When you load a saved game, lots of things break. My hotkeys no longer work correctly, it makes a "map pinged" noise every time I select a unit, etc etc. I'm not sure what the best way to do this is...maybe a "load code", so that people are always starting the map from scratch and it's getting initialized correctly? Don't know.

Well to be honest I really don't like save-/loadsystems. We also think players should be capable of playing it in one turn without to save or load anyway.

#7

I'm sure many people have already told you this, but you need someone with better English grammar / writing to go through your toolips and quests, etc, and fix a lot of misspellings and grammatical errors. You map is very good, so I'm sure lots of people would be happy to help in this way (for example, I would).

Yea, it's true, Imago didn't care enough while creating the triggers. We'll make sure to improve the textes later.

#8

Inside the Kobold Tunnels, in the area behind the forcewall (with the ghosts and skeletons), there is a place where you can walk through the pathing blockers. It is near the far right wall (past the path that goes down to the bossfight), slightly above where the train tracks disappear into the rubble.

Fixed.

#9

The "Dark Purple" used in several places (like for "experience" rewards) is too dark to read.

Purple will be changed together with the things mentioned at #7.

#10

Similarly, the "Light Brown" used for Pendant of Water, and the other Amulet you get from the Kraken also is hard to see in game. The different colors are cool, but you should check them all carefully in game to make sure they both stand out and are legible.

Amulets color will remain, however. Feel free to tell us what's your opinion on a better color code if you want to.

#11

Increase the selection size of items...they are hard to select and pick up sometimes.

Unfortunately we can't. We tried and it didn't work. Maybe we'll try to fix it one more time.

#12

Don't drop items directly on top of each other (harder to pick up). Sometimes globes of health/mana which you don't want to pick up yet block you from picking up an item you want, because they are all overlapping. Maybe on monster/chest death, drop the items a random (small) distance from the dying monster's position instead of all right at its position?

Good idea. Maybe.

#13

Increase the "item acquisition range" a little bit. I don't remember if it's a global, or a specific unit property, but it would be much nicer if it was increased by 50 or 100 on your backpack unit. I think you backpack unit might be "following" your hero around, because lots of times I couldn't pick up an item if it was in front of me, but I could if it was behind me (because it was closer to the backpack). Players shouldn't have to think about this...increasing item acquisition range might make this all a better experience.

It indeed is a global and it's fixed now.

#14

When you try to pick up an item which "you are already carrying one of these"...it currently just drops the item at your feet. Better than this, give this item to your "backpack hero" if he has space in his inventory. Much better user experience.

One more good idea mate. It's planned anyway to improve to bagpack some more. It will be changed.

#15

Since most classes can use only a small % of items, the user experience of item drops is kind of annoying. A ton of rusty daggers, swords, and armor you can't wear are dropping, and you want to be picking them all up and selling them. I would suggest adding a few "gems" or similar such item into the drop table...when you click on it, it gives you gold (+5, +10, +25, or something like that). This has the same effect as different types of items dropping that you can sell, but is a better experience, because you don't have to leave a bunch of stuff on the ground and are still getting the same benefit. To be clear, I still think rusty daggers and bows, etc, should be dropping, but maybe at about 70% of their current rate, and the other 30% is direct-to-gold.

True. Hm. Seems like our to-do-list is getting longer and longer. So much useful ideas. ♥

#16

Giving items to your "Stash" doesn't seem to work. Or maybe it does, but didn't work when I tried it. If this does work and I just failed, it's not easy enough yet.

Woopsie seems like the currently hosted version isn't really up to date anymore by now because the stashing space is removed already as it was automatically selling your items.

#17

You get several Quests for the "slums area" long before you can actually go there. Because one came from the Paladin next to a force wall, the first time I played through the game, I thought that the force wall was supposed to lead to the slums and that there was a glitch in the game. Even though it doesn't make a lot of sense to think the slums is through that force wall, it made sense in a way, because the first "clean out the zombies" quest you got from the guy on the right opened the force wall on the right. Since the Paladin is sitting in front of the force wall to the left, it makes sense to think it will open when he gives you his quest. My belief that there was a glitch with the slums area went on for 30-45 minutes before I actually got access to it, because I had all these slums quests, but couldn't actually go there yet. Maybe only turn on the slums quests once the slums are open? Or maybe, indicate in the quest log where the slums are. Or maybe have a guard tell you "Sorry, the slums are off-limits until further notice." whenever you walk near there, until they open up. You don't want your players to be confused.

We will think of something.

#18

When the "Village Elder" (Medivh model with a guitar) gives you the last quest (Gravekeeper?), he doesn't lose the EXCLAM over his head.

This is only because the map is unfinished by now. His quest will proceed.

#19

"Strength" is misspelled as "Strenght" in many places.

Unfortunately we are aware of it. When I recognized it and told it to Imago most of the textes were done already. You should have seen his face back then.
May be changed with the last polishing but I kind of like the idea to let it remain since it became a running gag to me.

Lastly we are really greatful for the things you stated as most of them are really useful.
I also want to drop a big thanks (and a "Hiiii-mate~") to you Veritas for answering frogges question.

We promise you an awesome comming update.

 

[fr0ggE]

Thanks Lockheart and Imago! It's great that you guys are so responsive and open to suggestions.

Let me know if you need any help with spelling/grammar/tooltips/quest descriptions, etc. I would be happy to take a bunch of screenshots and make suggestions, but only if you guys want the help. Now that I've played through the map a few times, I just "accept quests" and don't really read things anymore, so it doesn't affect me. I think it would make the biggest difference for new players seeing the map for the first time, and give them a better first impression.

So, I'm happy to help, but only if you guys want the help.

Question: does the "secret" you get for doing all the quests happen in the beta? I have yet to see it, and I'm pretty sure I've done all quests.

Update: I tried loading a saved game with some other characters, and didn't have the same problems. So, it was just the "Kinetic" and just one time, with the weird "Load Game" bugs. So this might not be a problem after all. And as you say, I understand the game is designed to be multiplayer, and thus "beat in one play through". So it doesn't matter anyway.

Keep up the excellent work!

 

[fr0ggE]

Just played through the game again as the Phoenix Mage. Oh man, he kicks a**! His spells look awesome, and have great flavor. On easy mode I only died one time, to the Skeleton King, and I was very very close to beating him. I think if I'd popped my ultimate at the beginning (before leveling up), and thus gotten to cast it twice, I would have beaten everything without a death. My strategy this time was to get three potions on him (health, mana, and the purple one for both), so I can live through boss fights. His AOE is so good, I was able to get through all boss fights without dying

Also played through with Rosalind on easy mode, and she was really good, too. Didn't die with her until Skeleton King, either.

Anyway, here are some more bugs / things to potentially fix. As always, just suggestions, everything is up to you:

1. The cooldown doesn't display on the mana potion...I thought it might be because it shared a base item or a cooldown group with the healing potion or something like that, but no, even when you just have the mana potion, no cooldown displays (it has the correct cooldown, but you can't visually see it)
2. Phoenix Wave hotkey is broken on the Phoenix Mage--> it's set to (C) instead of (W)
3. When you select some certain heroes, the backpack is put in F1 slot, and hero is put in F2 slot. Not a big deal, but might be worth fixing.
Correct Heroes: Nasyl, Varan, Darius, Faralda, Felian, Larra, Farion
Reversed Heroes: Rosalind, Lazarus, Lockheart, Naisha, Sylvie, Arianna <--- fix these
4. Small detail: when you go through a door and your hero is teleported/moved to a new location on the other side, perhaps you should also change the hero's facing angle, so that he is facing forward. Currently, he is frequently looking backwards because he keeps the angle he had when entering.
5. On some of the ultimates which move units around, like the Phoenix one, or Whirlpool, or Darius' Ultimate, sometimes the enemy units get pushed past pathing blockers and out of the "play area", and then can disappear or become hard to kill. This matters for things like zombies and necromancers where you have to kill them all (zombies especially, because killing all 40 is necessary to unlock the Old Mausoleum with the skeleton king). Maybe have more zombies than exactly 40, so if this happens, you can still fulfill your quest requirement?
6. disbutton missing on "Info" inside your bag --> turns bright green on f10

PATHING BLOCKERS MISSING:
- In Mine, where there are the two ghosts (top right) in front of some boulders. Can walk through the boulders.
- At end of bridge into the Slums, you can walk through the "ruined tower" and slightly left of that, as well, into the water, and then out through the giant boulders
- The north wall of the haunted house
- the stream right before the gravekeeper, you can walk through the top boulders (north) above you.
- you can walk through the tree in the center of the gravekeeper area
- you can use movement abilities (like rosalinds) to jump over force walls and get access to off limit areas. I used this to explore the (final?) area with the liches. Very cool! I suspect you won't fix this, as it's kind of impossible to.

 

[fr0ggE]

Another one: Felian's Ravens don't teleport/move with him when he goes through doors. Not a big deal because when he casts his spells, they always teleport to his location.

 

[Lockheart]

Thank you once more for your input, especially the missing pathing blockers. Most of the things are already fixed in the comming version. But there are some things like the one with Felians Ravens, they do follow him even if you don't cast after entering a new area. The thing is they have to travel across the map since they are not affected by the teleport. So you would just have to wait a few seconds or, as you said, cast a spell.

For now we are rather busy but things go well so far. Right now we don't need further input as we first want to complete some other things first. I hope you enjoy the map. A rating is appreciated. Unfortunately I can't tell you the release date of the new version but hopefully it's gonna be done soon enough. Bye for now.

 

[Veritas 117]

I see the newest update is out. I'll be checking out soon and giving a review. (Even though I already know I'll like it)

 

[Kazeon]

have I rate this map? btw hive is pretty broken that only give 4/5 for this job..

oh, I haven't >.>
I must say this is decent for 5/5

 

[fr0ggE]

Just played through the new version with Faralda. Great job, guys!
There were many improvements, and I enjoyed the newest version a lot.
However, inevitably several things were broken, and so I made a big list:

**EDIT: changed bugs 1 and 2**

1-2. After most of the "TALK" cinematics, your hero starts running in some direction. I let my hero run without issuing a new order, and he ran all the way to the Sunken Ruin and through the door. I think there is there some "move order" accidentally getting issued from many "TALK" quests now. I looked in the trigger editor and couldn't find it, though. This bug causes not just your hero to move somewhere, but many of the unselected heroes. Many of them run to the kobold mine and kill half the kobolds for you. I see Naisha, Lazarus, Rosalind, Lockheart, and Ogami right at the entrance, and further in to the mine, Silvie.

3. **edit this only happened the first time I played the new version, and it hasn't repeated again yet** It still gives the old butterfly quest, and a new "bottle" quest, but I couldn't find any butterflies anywhere, nor bottles. Also, I'm pretty sure these quests didn't show up on my quest menu.

4. you can mouse over and see Bloodreaver through a grate near the start of the sunken ruin

5. **EDIT: I read the change log and it's intentional to give you more things to interact with in the environment** Fir trees around the world pillars inside the sunken ruin can be attacked and destroyed. I don't love this new change, because you are alerted that there are several secrets to find, and I think many players will assume there is some secret linked to these destructibles...unless there is! In which case, I haven't found it yet.

6. **EDIT never mind, it's fine** health regen on the zombies feels a little too fast. with level 10 faralda, she is doing no almost damage with just her attack in the slums area. But perhaps that's because one of the zombies had a health regen buff on it? I couldn't tell if it did, or not, but I read about this new buff in the bestiary, so maybe that's it. I definitely like the idea of health regen on the zombies, but I feel like it's too fast (at least in single player).

7. after unlocking the secret area with the explosives, when I walk back through the doorway (where the boulders were), there is a pathing blocker missing and I was able to walk up and under the grate in the main area

8. in the maiden of pain fight, most of the pairs of Seductive Witches after the first pair were spawned "out of bounds" in the grates where they were mostly invisible. Maybe they are supposed to "jump in" to the playable area, but they weren't all doing it. Or maybe they are supposed to stay under the grates...but I think probably its not quite working the way it's supposed to yet.

9. Both chests in the final dungeon don't open

10. Ambrosia Quest - level 15 requirement is too high. At least in single player mode, you only get to about level 13-14 by the gravekeeper, having killed everything and gotten all quest rewards...this means you can't do the Ambrosia Quest until you are most of the way through the final dungeon, at which point it's backtracking and many players will miss it. I think level 10 is better for Ambrosia, or maybe level 13?

11. after you kill bloodreaver, none of the tooltips on your abilites display anymore. It also gives you so much XP you hit level 30 (not sure if that is intentional or not).

Very cool update! I think that once some of these bugs are fixed, this will definitely be the best version yet! This map just keeps improving

 

[tulee]

Hi Lockheart, do you have any suggestion as to what is the most difficult difficulty for a single player with the possibility of winning? Basically, i will play solo, but i want a really good challenge but with the chance of being able to win

 

[Imago_]

Hi tulee, it depends on which hero you choose. As a mage I would recommend you to select difficulty very easy. Agi and stregth based heros may even have a chance on difficulty normal! My favorite character is felian, if I play it solo. His healing abilites are quite useful, if you are on your own Have fun!

 

[tulee]

Hi tulee, it depends on which hero you choose. As a mage I would recommend you to select difficulty very easy. Agi and stregth based heros may even have a chance on difficulty normal! My favorite character is felian, if I play it solo. His healing abilites are quite useful, if you are on your own Hafe fun!

Thanks for your reply

 

[Lockheart]

Cheers for over 1000 (1010) downloads! All of you out there enjoy this map.

 

[syphie]

Hi, there's a bug with Gravekeeper. I played Arianna who has ult "curse" and i think one of the zombies killed another zombie so the second wave never spawned. We were stuck dying over and over vs invul Gravekeeper >_>

 

[Lockheart]

Hi, there's a bug with Gravekeeper. I played Arianna who has ult "curse" and i think one of the zombies killed another zombie so the second wave never spawned. We were stuck dying over and over vs invul Gravekeeper >_>

As far as I'm aware of Gravekeeper should be bugfree and you don't have to care if one of the zombies on the ground dies earlier or not.
Do you maybe still have the replay? Well, but we will check this.

 

[Veritas 117]

I also had this problem with Felian. The gravekeeper became invulnerable and the second wave never happened. I figured it had something to do with saving the game. I saved right before the fight. I tried loading the saved game but I got an error so essentially lost my progress :/ I haven't had time to try it again, but I'll let you know if it happens again.

 

[syphie]

As far as I'm aware of Gravekeeper should be bugfree and you don't have to care if one of the zombies on the ground dies earlier or not.
Do you maybe still have the replay? Well, but we will check this.

Replay attached. The boss is reached at 42mins.

 

[Lockheart]

Replay attached. The boss is reached at 42mins.

Wrong replay attached. It says it belongs to Tkok-Eastern_3.2.2.
Did you save and load to syphie? If yes and the problem occours because of that please remember what I keep saying over and over again: Do not save and load.

Because it worked perfectly for Imago and me all the time and this boss hasn't been changed so I really wonder how it could happen. If you still have the correct replay of a bug, feel free to upload it and tell me if you used save/load.

Oh and... happy eastern guys!

 

[DarkSider684]

I had the same problem too. The gravekeeper became invulnerable and just ran arround. I didn't save or load anything.

 

[Lockheart]

I had the same problem too. The gravekeeper became invulnerable and just ran arround. I didn't save or load anything.

It's absolutly normal that the Gravekeeper becomes invulnerable since it's his phase, but this phase should end.

Unfortunately it seems like some of you have trouble with the Gravekeeper.
I just did some testing and I played with Arianna as it was stated she was used, too when the problem occoured.
Please check this image and you will see that for me the Gravekeeper worked perfectly fine.

Image

So please, if it happens to you that the Gravekeeper won't work send me as many details as you can, however a working replay file would be even better.
Sorry guys but since this problem didn't happen to me even after several rounds of playing I'm a little confused.

If it's just a matter of saving/loading then try to avoid it.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Such problems with Gravekeeper didn't occur with me. Yes, he turned invulnerable but then he became vulnerable once more.
And, as all people, I cannot save/load
Soooo bad, I can't complete it in one sit
Oh, and I need help with the awkward quest of the barkeeper. I found only two kegs!!! (One at a shop and one at ghosthunter's home)

 

[Lockheart]

Hey friend. Well if you say you can't play it in one sit - I say you can. How about a game with the creator?
Do you use garena or something comparable and are you interested in? If so, we could schedule a date and beat the §%!"$ out of the creeps.
Just let us know. Oh and glad to know it worked for you.

 

[Shadow Fury]

I play on gameranger and I've already played with a friend. But playing it with the creator would be amazing! Knowing all secrets, we'll finish it in half a sit

 

[Lockheart]

Sure thing! Imago and I are up for it.
Send me your contact details and we will add you.

Everyone who always wanted to play with the creator and/or me, the assistant (hurrhurr) feel invited to ask us.

 

[Ardenaso]

The map is good for me, everything is cool and nice but I would like to state a few things:

1. The Paladin's "Kill every risen dead" is bugged. I finished the quest but once I turned that to the quest giver, I didn't receive any reward and the quest isn't yet valid as "completed".

2. As I progress through later stages, the cursor became "stiff" and when I hover it to buttons, the tooltips won't show.

3. On the second part of the butterflies (The Missing Butterflies), the butterflies from the first quest should be gone already to avoid confusion.

4. I was a bit disappointed when the game is quickly finished when I turned in to the ship captain. I thought that the widow's husband's bloody note would have any use if I went to Azeroth to meet with her.

Anyway, the game is still good. 5/5 from me, but please check those problems.

Edit:
5. As the Wolf Rider Archer, inside the Old Mausoleum, she can leap to anywhere, eventually cheating the boss fight and the riddled chamber.

 

[sonofjay]

Arianna the Archmage's 'Crystalization' have a [W] hotkey tooltip. [E] hotkey still works though.

 

[syphie]

Sorry, I didn't know lastreplay wasn't auto saved
We just completed the game with different chars, no bug on gravekeeper this time.

2 issues:
1. "last boss" can be encountered if you run through wall after the sewer / whirlpool boss.
2. Chests in area leading up to last boss don't open.

 

[Valenvai]

Awesome map. I really really enjoyed it!
I wish I could make maps like this: balanced, with well-made custom terrain and scripted enemies.
You really inspired me today!

I only found one glitch: before entering the "evil temple" (is this Mausoleum?) to the right side of the entrance you can walk through the doodads and reach "the void".

I found almost everything except Ambrosia and the last Keg of Beer.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Balanced is not a word I would use for this map. I played a game with Imago, the creator of Dark Times, and I found that there is unbalance :/
That elf with the ability Nature Command can damage greatly enemy creeps AND even heal allied heroes. I wonder if the rest of the abilities are so strong.
This is why I can't still raise my rating to 5 even if I really want to

 

[Valenvai]

I was refering mostly to the fact that the battles are tuned correctly. It's neither a hack-and-slash nor a struggle to stay alive. Carefuly calculated numbers for hit-points, damage and upgrades.

But I agree with the hero you mentioned. That's the one I picked and he seems quite strong. At least compared to the human archer I tried.

 

[mifagufi]

Amazing map! One of the best i have played.
I finished it and killed almost everything in it , unfortunatly i have no ideea how to find kobold boss !
can anyone help me or at least give me a hint about it !

 

[Lockheart]

Hallo guys. It's been a while. Hope you're doing fine.
Let me answer your messages. (It's really getting time for that *caugh*)

@Len Kagamine: First of all: The Paladins Quest works as it always did. The Tooltip problem is solved along some other fixes and changes for the comming patch. Let me tell you this: There is a use for the Bloody Note. But it has nothing to do with the widow. We're both happy that you enjoyed the map.

@Syphie: Hey ho, the chests in the last dungeon simply are not filled yet. Maybe later. Maybe they'll remain as decoration. Let's see what Imago_ is going to do with it.

@Valenvai/Shadow Fury: First of all, thanks for your kind comment Valenvai. Imago and I both played you're maps, too, but that was a littler longer ago. You can find Ambrosia to the north west of the Gravekeeper. There's a dungeon you can enter once your lvl 15 and got the Quest out of Stonehelm.

About balancing, please all of you notice the following: This is not a Player VS Player game, so there shouldn't be any reason to think of unbalanced heroes. It's simply because each hero has it's own play style and as some are rather the support, some other are great damage dealer. At hero selection you can see what hero fits to which role. So if you want to play a hard round why not pick a not so strong hero then? If you want it smooth, pick some heavy DD - simple, not? The balancing Hero VS Creep is rather good imo. Some herostat values have been changed, however.

Last but not least I must admit I am a little bit confused why you shouldn't increase your rating from 4 to 5 simply because you think one hero is stronger than the rest. This is a truely minor problem that can be changed quick. (Oh and it was already - comming in the next patch).

All of you, thank you for your time and keep enjoying this game.
An update may follow soon.

 

[felixng2012]

I had fun but when I tried to load my game the game crashed.
It said something about save file being corrupt.

Its a shame because I got the secret hero and made it quite far .

 

[Valenvai]

Me and my friend tried to play together today and after loading the game, while I was selecting difficulty my friend disconnected. We tried several times but he kept getting disconnects, at the same point.

Help...

 

[Doomguy80]

I haven't played this map recently but I must say you have done a great job getting a following Lockheart! I will do anpother review later if you want.

 

[Lockheart]

I haven't played this map recently but I must say you have done a great job getting a following Lockheart! I will do anpother review later if you want.

Funny thing! Just a few days ago I thought of you. No really.
I was wondering what happend with your card game map. So~ Hey pal. If you want to review this map feel free to.
I'ld be glad to read what you think of this map.

To all: Imago_ is taking a break at the moment because he is participating at the mini map contest.
However, we got already a new update done including a lot of fixes.
It's not published yet since there are still some things left we want to check first.

Pleace remember: Save/loading the game and a low hardware may lead to crashes.

 

[Doomguy80]

Originally Posted by Lockheart
Funny thing! Just a few days ago I thought of you. No really.
I was wondering what happend with your card game map. So~ Hey pal. If you want to review this map feel free to.
I'ld be glad to read what you think of this map.

To all: Imago_ is taking a break at the moment because he is participating at the mini map contest.
However, we got already a new update done including a lot of fixes.
It's not published yet since there are still some things left we want to check first.

Pleace remember: Save/loading the game and a low hardware may lead to crashes.

Don't worry about the Card Game just yet, I have paused my work on it to finish some of my older projects. Making the cards takes a lot of effort and I need to take a break from it for now.

 

[paulocanton]

Ahh, having a working save/load for this map would be awesome...was fun while it lasted tho

 

[Lockheart]

Ahh, having a working save/load for this map would be awesome...was fun while it lasted tho

May I ask you what disturbed you while playing the map?
Since a rating of 2/5 is really rather low, especially without an explanation how to improve in your opinion.

 

[Samaru]

Steps of amazement:
1: Oh this map has a really good explainive (is that a word) front page.
2: Choose a hero. Much variety, full skill preview. WAUW every character has a custom model portrait AND 3D portrait.
3: Enters game, speaks to the barkeeper. A HUGE amount of text. Which is nice but it is just too much.
4: Notice that you can skip the text and just get the quest with a 'what-to-do list'.
5: Walks out of the tavern. Fixed camera <3 Sees another house. Walks in it. And there it is: classic-style RPG shop + shop keepers with custom animations. WHAT?! How alive is the warcraft III comminuty?!
6: And finaly, the first combat feels really great.
And that was my first 5 minutes of the game. Show me the rest!

 

[Isdariel]

Couldn't load the map (loading screen stuck at the beginning) on two different computers. Have been waiting for 20min+ without any progress. Any ideas?

 

[Lockheart]

Couldn't load the map (loading screen stuck at the beginning) on two different computers. Have been waiting for 20min+ without any progress. Any ideas?

First time I read this.
Sorry, don't know what else it could be besides an os based problem.

 

[deepstrasz]

I played with a friend and when we load the game it always crashes. Tried two different save name files. We have the latest patch. What could be the problem?

By the way what editor do you guys use to open and save this map? I tried the World Editor but saving is impossible because it has too many doodads. I opened it hoping to modify something to fix the load game crash.

 

[Karassu]

This is one of my favorite RPG maps in Warcraft 3.

But man, you might wanna add tags to it, so that it's easier to search. If you will go to maps search, and type "Dark Times". Obviously because you didn't put tags. Go add some like "Dark, Times, Dark Times, RPG, 2P" or something like that.

And add a description to the map, I mean the pre-game description (when selecting the map in-game). If you can't think of some good description, then maybe just put the latest changes (changelog) there.

 

[Lockheart]

Thanks for the advice. I wonder why it can't be found for a rather long time by now. It has quite a lot of tags but it doesn't seem to work.

 

[robizeratul]

Thanks for the advice. I wonder why it can't be found for a rather long time by now. It has quite a lot of tags but it doesn't seem to work.

Is developement dead? i really like this map

 

[Doncha666]

cant play on windows 8..

 

[Armored Cat]

gravekeeper

may contain bad grammar

So we played with friend and we liked the map
characters are good
gameplay as far as we can say is good
everything is very good
gravekeeper around 2:14:00 is not very good

so we killed his zombies and tried to kill him but he stayed in his invincible form, we tried killing other zombies which i guess wouldn't help anyway.
is there a way to prevent this happen? is this a rare bug?