Conversation System

[Moderator]

12th Dec 2015
IcemanBo: Too long as NeedsFix. Rejected.

Very nice system, but it only works in single player.

 

[Magtheridon96]

This is outstanding and deserving of nothing less than a Highly Recommended.
Could you please post the triggers in the description though? :3

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Seriously, if you can improve the triggers, I'd nag Bribe to rate it 5/5 =P (It's not always about the triggers, but sometimes, the concept)

1- Instead of making it run specifically for Player 1, you should give it the ability to run for multiple players.
2- In the Conversation NCD trigger, the wait can be removed
3- This should also be able to support multiple units per player :/ (Since this system is going to be used for RPG maps only, I'm guessing a unit array variable supporting one unit per player would be fine. You could take it a step further and give it support for multiple units. )
4- Instead of 0.02, use 0.03 for the periodic trigger
5- All the variables like Conversation and the like should be arrays so that it could support multiple players.

Yes, I still rated it 5/5 even though the triggers needed an improvement.
Is there a problem? I loved it.

 

[Kithraya]

This is outstanding and deserving of nothing less than a Highly Recommended.
Could you please post the triggers in the description though? :3

edit
Seriously, if you can improve the triggers, I'd nag Bribe to rate it 5/5 =P (It's not always about the triggers, but sometimes, the concept)

1- Instead of making it run specifically for Player 1, you should give it the ability to run for multiple players.
2- In the Conversation NCD trigger, the wait can be removed
3- This should also be able to support multiple units per player :/ (Since this system is going to be used for RPG maps only, I'm guessing a unit array variable supporting one unit per player would be fine. You could take it a step further and give it support for multiple units. )
4- Instead of 0.02, use 0.03 for the periodic trigger
5- All the variables like Conversation and the like should be arrays so that it could support multiple players.

Yes, I still rated it 5/5 even though the triggers needed an improvement.
Is there a problem? I loved it.

1- I didn't thought about the other players, because I thought, that no one will use this cinematic based system in multiplayer map, but ok.

2. Haha ... this is doing nothnig, but I'll kill it.

3-1

4- For me no difference. Just prove, this make a difference.

In total, you told me some improvements, which every average triggerer can do for himself, but ok, maybe i update something. ;D

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I tested it as other players then red and it works.

 

[Bribe]

I also recommend 0.03 and not 0.02 because 0.02 is doing 50% more activity when you can get the same visual effect with just 0.03.

More activity than necessary is a waste of processor performance.

 

[Kithraya]

Heh, this can handle no 5, but 6 maximum sentences. Just add Text_Line[6].

 

[Deleted member 177737]

You finally uploaded it, yay!

 

[Magtheridon96]

Trolltip:
Instead of registering events like that, you could create a new trigger that runs on Map initialization and loops from 1 to 12 to add the events to both triggers:

• Init
  • Events
    • Map Initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • For Each (Integer A) from 1 to 12, do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Trigger - Add Arrowkey Press Down event to the first trigger for Player (Integer A)
        • Trigger - Add Arrowkey Press Up event to the second trigger for Player (Integer A)

Now you can leave the Arrow Key triggers with no events

 

[maddeem]

Looking at your map thread and I saw this in there lol. Btw maggy it's more effecient to add the events manually (the map doesnt have to cycle through integers and reduces map load time) even though its way easier doing it that way xD

Sadly about this system though is that it requires a enormus amount of triggers to do a simple conversation, I don't really have any suggestions on how to improve it, but I'll think about it.
I would definately want to see this improved/approved though.

 

[Kithraya]

Looking at your map thread and I saw this in there lol. Btw maggy it's more effecient to add the events manually (the map doesnt have to cycle through integers and reduces map load time) even though its way easier doing it that way xD

Sadly about this system though is that it requires a enormus amount of triggers to do a simple conversation, I don't really have any suggestions on how to improve it, but I'll think about it.
I would definately want to see this improved/approved though.

Heh... you think, that I didn't thought how make it more...short?

IMO, there is not that big amount of triggers. Completely it is easy to add new qustions/answers. And maybe on this map conversation algorithm is simple , as you say (every answer comes down to the same set of questions), but a little time and you can do really extensive talk with many options.

I had an idea, to create the base of contents (separate, one trigger), which other trigger (answers) would take contents from base and show in correct order. I mean, you could program the whole talk in one trigger using integers and basic calculations. And everything would happen with only two triggers.

Approved?
This is 3rd day, but.. essentially, I don't care about it. I uploaded it, because few persons asked me for it.

Thanks, anyway.

 

[Bribe]

I've not had time to open this up in World Editor, so no, I can't approve it yet.

I am usual at work when you see me online at The Hive.

Keep in mind we are all volunteers here. No one is getting paid.

You can try to message Pharaoh_ or Maker, if they have some time to test this.

 

[Losam]

Great job, I found interesting this system reminds me RPG You can choose your destiny.
He won my vote. thumbs_up
Stay with God!

 

[sonofjay]

Will you add more of your system in the future?

Well this system is epic 5/5, can't wait requiem to be finish

 

[Kithraya]

I've not had time to open this up in World Editor, so no, I can't approve it yet.

I am usual at work when you see me online at The Hive.

Keep in mind we are all volunteers here. No one is getting paid.

You can try to message Pharaoh_ or Maker, if they have some time to test this.

It's ok.

I was moderator of the other several polish sites like that (heh... most of them are already dead), so I know that is a pure voluntarism.

Will you add more of your system in the future?

Perhaps, after release.

 

[Maker]

First of all you should add importing instructions into the map file.

Then you could create an initialization trigger where you set Color end and color start.

You shouldn't set initial size for the player group array. If you set the initial size to 12, then 12 player groups are created. Then you create groups over them when conversations start.

As far as I can tell the Interlocutor_CPU should also be arrayed so the system is MPI.

When you run Ending trigger, you turn off Up and Down arrow triggers. What if another player is having a conversation?

I think you could make the example triggers not leak locations

 

[Kithraya]

First of all you should add importing instructions into the map file.

Added.

Then you could create an initialization trigger where you set Color end and color start.

Yea, let's make this useless trash.

As far as I can tell the Interlocutor_CPU should also be arrayed so the system is MPI.

Isn't it a constant variable?

When you run Ending trigger, you turn off Up and Down arrow triggers. What if another player is having a conversation

This really doesn't have anything to things, so it was off by Conversation[Player_ID] = False too . I know, using "multiplayer" word was bad. I meant system just works, for each player, regardless of whether we are playing the red, blue, pink or brown on user's map. Previously I uploaded version only for player 1.

Rather, I had no intention of making it for lan games, where 12 people could talk to a computer in the same way, as it's not meaningful. By far the system will occur only in single-player RPG maps. But as you can see (arrays = 12) I tried it, but now I changed it.

I think you could make the example triggers not leak locations

Maybe I forgot to clean something. If you are experiencing what leaks, be just nice and show where, but please note that this map is set to enable this conversation all the time, so I don't know if some location cleaning is necessary.

 

[Maker]

Isn't it a constant variable?

No, it isn't.

Trigger

• Activated Talk 01
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Begins casting an ability
  • Conditions
    • (Ability being cast) Equal to Use [E]
    • (Casting unit) Equal to Hero
  • Actions
    • Set The_Interlocutor_CPU = Knight 0000 <gen>
    • Set The_Interlocutor_CPU_Name = Guard
    • Wait 1.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Send transmission to PlayerCinematicGroup[Player_ID] from The_Interlocutor_CPU named The_Interlocutor_CPU_Name: Play No sound and display Hello!. Modify duration: Set to 1.50 seconds and Wait

If a unit of another player starts a conversation during that wait, then the interlocutor_cpu will be the wrong unit.

Rather, I had no intention of making it for lan games, where 12 people could talk to a computer in the same way, as it's not meaningful. By far the system will occur only in single-player RPG maps. But as you can see (arrays = 12) I tried it, but now I changed it.

The system can be MPI, so I'd like to see it made MPI

Maybe I forgot to clean something. If you are experiencing what leaks, be just nice and show where

• Unit - Move The_Interlocutor_HERO[Player_ID] instantly to (Center of Partymember1 <gen>)

 

[Kithraya]

No, it isn't.

Trigger

• Activated Talk 01
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Begins casting an ability
  • Conditions
    • (Ability being cast) Equal to Use [E]
    • (Casting unit) Equal to Hero
  • Actions
    • Set The_Interlocutor_CPU = Knight 0000 <gen>
    • Set The_Interlocutor_CPU_Name = Guard
    • Wait 1.00 seconds
    • Cinematic - Send transmission to PlayerCinematicGroup[Player_ID] from The_Interlocutor_CPU named The_Interlocutor_CPU_Name: Play No sound and display Hello!. Modify duration: Set to 1.50 seconds and Wait

If a unit of another player starts a conversation during that wait, then the interlocutor_cpu will be the wrong unit.

Heh, no, it is. I said in previuos post, that this is for single player, so another player can't do anything during that wait.

The system can be MPI, so I'd like to see it made MPI

Unkindly. xC
Can be ≠ must. I like niggle people too, but without exaggeration. And there is no such rule in Spell section.

• Unit - Move The_Interlocutor_HERO[Player_ID] instantly to (Center of Partymember1 <gen>)

Oh, that old one, thanks. Fixed

 

[Maker]

Can be ≠ must. I like niggle people too, but without exaggeration. And there is no such rule in Spell section.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/faq/spellrules/#faq_spelllang

Spells must be free of bugs, leaks, unreasonable lag, and must be fully multiinstanceable.

And as this system can't be MUI, then it must be MPI at least.

 

[Kithraya]

... as this system can't be MUI, then it must be MPI at least.

Where is this PostScript in rules?

Whether this is maybe from Bible of Moderators?

Forgive me, my friend, but I have no intention of
remaking half the system, because someone has such desire.

As if someone said: make Requiem to play opponents.

Forgive I don't have the desire to make this and there is no such rule. No, unless the PostScript that it finds there.

 

[Bribe]

Under "Performance":

Spells must be free of bugs, leaks, unreasonable lag, and must be fully multiinstanceable.

If it works only for single-player, it fails the criteria for "multi-instanciable".

Normally I would not quote rules, but since you are insistent that "multi-player-instanciable" is not in the rules I do have to use a quote here. Please do not make us do that.

 

[Maker]

Where is this PostScript in rules?

Whether this is maybe from Bible of Moderators?

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Forgive me, my friend, but I have no intention of
remaking half the system, because someone has such desire.

I don't make up rules, nor have I created these rules. I just enforce them. Currectly the system does not meet the standards of The Hive Workshop (it is not MPI). I have to set the spell to Needs Fix state.

It is a good system, and I hope you will make it MPI.

 

[Kithraya]

Bleh... ok, I will do this MPI.

 

[Magtheridon96]

Btw maggy it's more effecient to add the events manually (the map doesnt have to cycle through integers and reduces map load time) even though its way easier doing it that way xD

Adding the events manually does the exact same thing but my alternative is faster because in this case, it does half the number of iterations.

 

[maddeem]

Adding the events manually does the exact same thing but my alternative is faster because in this case, it does half the number of iterations.

Shhh you know too much