Coming of the Horde 23.9b

[TheBronze]

Battleships and such become available when Stormwind falls. Once it falls, you can build all ship types freely. The Horde has no access to naval units until Stormwind falls also.

 

[Darxy]

Why is Brann's projectile speed so slow? It makes no sense for a bullet to fly slower than an axe or javelin...
It is just annoying to waste an autoattack because unit already dies before 2nd shot is shot which cancels the 2nd shot and making delay in Brann's damage output.

 

[TheBronze]

Why is Brann's projectile speed so slow? It makes no sense for a bullet to fly slower than an axe or javelin...
It is just annoying to waste an autoattack because unit already dies before 2nd shot is shot which cancels the 2nd shot and making delay in Brann's damage output.

Brann and Derek's projectile were temporarily changed in order to implement multiple orbs. It actually doesn't fly slower than other projectiles, it flies the same speed.

The delay will be fixed in the next version that will be released this coming week.

 

[MogulKahn]

I see you are wokring hard on this map! Great job mate!

 

[nhs325]

Oh, you might want to fix the weird bug that prevents me from making the horde-specfic item (the one that can summon an aly), maybe cause the ingridients matches with the alliance-spe fic item.
Really good, high replay value, good heroes, but you can add more upgrades for the troop, please? Thank you.

 

[TheBronze]

Thanks for the report!

 

[EredarArbeiterYU]

You should have made NPC factions have proper names even tough they just stand there not doing anything. Like they should not be called Player1,Player2,Player3. instead give them proper names like "Lordearon Alliance", "Frostwolf Clan"...
I like the map, just that one thing bothers me.
Edit: also a small detail the description read "The Burning Legion invades the lands of men again" But actually this is the first time the Burning Legion invaded the lands of men their first invasion, War of the Ancients, was not actually against the humans, it was against the Night Elves and their other allies which did not include humans.

 

[Hardtime]

You should have made NPC factions have proper names even tough they just stand there not doing anything. Like they should not be called Player1,Player2,Player3. instead give them proper names like "Lordearon Alliance", "Frostwolf Clan"...
I like the map, just that one thing bothers me.
Edit: also a small detail the description read "The Burning Legion invades the lands of men again" But actually this is the first time the Burning Legion invaded the lands of men their first invasion, War of the Ancients, was not actually against the humans, it was against the Night Elves and their other allies which did not include humans.

You've been here a few weeks or even just days and you're telling him what to do? You've got guts. But please don't be a know-at-all even going as far to the War of the Ancients. Technically, it isn't just called the "land of men." This isn't the Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings. Humans may have a high population but that doesn't mean they own the lands.

Oh, and it's only possible to give proper faction names to the Alliance side of the map since they control one kingdom each but for the Horde, there are numerous possible clans that could be used as faction names. If you name one faction "Blackrock Clan" while he was controlling Ner'zhul, that would be weird so I think it's best if things stay this way.

 

[EredarArbeiterYU]

You've been here a few weeks or even just days and you're telling him what to do? You've got guts. But please don't be a know-at-all even going as far to the War of the Ancients. Technically, it isn't just called the "land of men." This isn't the Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings. Humans may have a high population but that doesn't mean they own the lands.

Oh, and it's only possible to give proper faction names to the Alliance side of the map since they control one kingdom each but for the Horde, there are numerous possible clans that could be used as faction names. If you name one faction "Blackrock Clan" while he was controlling Ner'zhul, that would be weird so I think it's best if things stay this way.

I was suggesting I have not ordered him to do anything. Oh sorry, is there a rule that states that I must have and X number of posts before I am allowed to express an opinion or to suggest something to someone?? No there isn't so shut up. I've had an account on Hive like 5 years ago and I was active, I just of course forgot what the username was so I created a new one.
"Technically, it isn't just called the "land of men." This isn't the Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings. Humans may have a high population but that doesn't mean they own the lands." I am not sure what you wanted to say but it looks like you just confirmed that which I already said, that it IS the first time that the Burning Legion invades the "Lands of men" (through their proxy, the orcs).
I did not get to play all the orcish factions, but I am sure that for the brown player, when you start, you get the message telling you which clan you are and what you should focus on (aiding the Burning Legion invasion...), and the undead can simply be called Burning Legion, that leaves just two other orcish players/clans, and if he isn't sure which spot is which clan, then they can simply be named "The Horde". there, it's still better then "PlayerX".
In my experience I know that good map makers and developers like to hear feedback and suggestions from players, if I thought that the map is bad I would not bother suggesting anything, I however think it's a great map, and I also suggested the simplest possible thing so not to bother him too much; I have no idea what provoked you to start bashing me.
I'd say you've got guts, acting like you are some kind of an overlord of this site and forums who decides who can and who cannot speak. But then I remember that acting like an asshole over the Internet is easy and does not require any guts at all, just a douchebag personality is enough.

I like this map, I hosted it on Tunngle a few times.

 

[TheBronze]

Thank you for the feedback. I'll look into renaming the players. The Orcs have clan names currently, based on the colors from WC3. Brown is the Blackrock Clan (Red in WC2), Light Blue the Stormreaver Clan (Blue in WC2), and Dark Green is the Bleeding Hollow Clan (Dark Green in WC2).

As for the Legion, well COTH is about what might have been, and there were Demons (known as Daemons in WC2) that cross over the Portal, so they are represented by a fully fleshed out faction,

 

[Gigapuddi]

First at all, great map! It is fun, even after the 100th match. But there is one thing that bothers me, i think i already read a complaint on diplo about it, that Kilrogg needs to be nerfed. Well, i like to play Horde far more than Alliance and Kilrogg is one of my fav. Heros but i have to admit, his ulti is way to strong. All you need is lifesteal + cleaver and you are able to take down armies with just Kilrogg. While this is a fun thing to do when you are in the Horde faction, it is a pain in the ass if you cant keep him in a stun/hexlock when you are part of the Alliance. Another point about that Hero is his Skillset, the combination of spells matches the Char. but i never skill either bladestorm nor that stabbing thing, before maxing the Stats and Frenzy. The bonus hp dmg and armor from Stats are by far more useful than bladestorm+stabbing thing. Since frenzy + crit are the core abilities to wreck havoc upon my enemy it is sad that the 2 other spells are kinda useless later on. The Bladestorm lacks the ability to generate hp from lifesteal thus making you easy to get shot down. Also, the dmg output is far to low compared to the amount of dmg and attention you get while spinning.
One lats point i want to mention, is the combination of the crit ulti + that shiny sword item with +60 dmg and a crit chance (20% i guess). Is it normal that the item crit only triggers when the ulti does? I always get either the 40% crit or 2 crits messed up with their crit sign. Does the damage multiple from both crits? Just smth i noticed.

Keep up the good work! It is an awesome map!

 

[EredarArbeiterYU]

An explanation on how to get those powerful items would be most helpful (in the game too), I really don't know how to get them, I see their requirements, but where do I get that stuff, and where does my hero have to be to buy them?

 

[TheBronze]

Thanks for the comments.

Gigapuddi
Killrogg got some nerfs in 18.5. Bladestorm is useful early game for dealing damage and makes Killrogg invulnerable to magic so he can escape or remove buffs. Debilitating Strike is particularly useful if he gets into a duel with an agility Alliance melee champion, as it greatly reduces their attack speed. It is also useful for prevent enemy heroes from running away.

Only one critical strike can hit at once.


EredarArbeiterYU
As for building items, there are item shops that look like racks of weapons and armor in each Alliance base, and the Horde and Legion can use Peons and Acolytes to build them.

If you are having difficulty finding them, play a game as the Horde and build them, then you'll be able to recognize them easily.

 

[WarLord69]

Best map ever.5/5

 

[BoLteX]

You lagged the heck out of this map.The last good version is 18.4.The rest of them were pure lag.Like 3 of the players would drop in the beggining.You ruined the map.Better change it back lol.Still best map ever.

 

[TheBronze]

I've played all the versions of 18.5+ multiple times and haven't received any additional lag or desync issues. In fact, I haven't seen desyncs in COTH in many games, and most games have had 12 players right until the end.

In fact, I don't see why that would change based on the triggers I added, I didn't do anything drastic.

I'll ask around, but I'm guessing you just played with a poor host or hosting bot.

 

[BoLteX]

I played your map like 150 times.And the only thing that was lagging the whole map last versions was Zula'Hed(Far Seer) and everyone would ban him in every game for that.But now since you started updating some things really lagged the map.First i hosted the new version,but it was too laggy for all the players,even with the latency changed,so we rehosted version 18.4(last unlagged version).

 

[TheBronze]

Thanks for the report, try hosting with www.makemehost.com and see what happens. That is what I use to host because I have not suffered those issues at all.

I'm making a thread on my forum about this to seek more information: http://www.diplomunion.com/index.php?forums/coth/

 

[MogulKahn]

When to expect those new Alliance heroes?

 

[TheBronze]

Here is what to expect:

18.8 - some bug fixes and minor changes, coming this week.

18.9 - (if required) more bug fixes and minor changes.

19.0 - Full re-terrain of the map elminating the use of Blizzard cliffs. Coming sometime in October (?)

19.1+ - Additional heroes will added two at a time. Coming after the release of 19.0.

 

[MogulKahn]

And what heroes we can expect? I mean names?

 

[TheBronze]

I'll only release the name of one at this moment... Sylvanas for Quel'Thalas.

 

[Leo Akastenix]

Warlocks in my opinion, needs a demon summonig ability!
Cleric needs Inner Fire
Magus needs Tornade
Conjurer needs Water Elemental
Mounted Mage needs Faerie Fire
Necrolyte needs Raise Skeleton Orc(s)
Azeroth could have a seperate base named "Northshire Abbey", instead of an ordinary church

Add regions for spec effects like when a city is destroyed, use triggers to create fire at the regions.Makes it nicer!

 

[MogulKahn]

O, nice to hear that! So she is going to have Trueshot Aura as her ultimate?

 

[TheBronze]

Add regions for spec effects like when a city is destroyed, use triggers to create fire at the regions.Makes it nicer!

Already planned.

Definitely going to take your other suggestions into consideration, thank you!

 

[MogulKahn]

I was testing some things and I have found few bugs, like when you use those axes (Q) with Zul'jin, you send ogres into the air, infinitely! Also with Zuluhed the Whacked, those shadow wolves didn't exploded, they just attacked, dealing 0 damage. Also with his ultimate, Raider stood there, attacking every nearby enemy unit, dealing no damage.
Also, I have to ask what was the reason behind Zuluhed the Whacked to have "wolf" based skill set, when he was pretty much dragon slaver?
Also, you need to add "Channeling" into description to every channeling spell, like Medivh's Q. And in Maim's description it is Draenei, not Drenei.

And, if I can suggest to you to change those duplicate skills on some heroes. It is not big deal, but like that you can improve quality of your map, even more!

 

[TheBronze]

Thank you for the detailed feedback.

I'm actually going to be swapping out Zuluhed for Fenris Wolfbrother (using the Thrall model), keeping the spells the same. Fenris makes a lot more sense with those spells, Zuluhed will return in a later version with Dragon-ish spells.

Zuluhed has some bugs in the latest version that I've fixed for 19.4 which will come out soon.

Thank you for the report with Zuljin's Q, I'm going to look into that. Also thanks for the report of the spelling error and channeling missing from Medivh's Q. I think all the channeling spells have that listed, but if you see any that don't please let me know.

What spells are duplicated between heroes? All heroes have a unique skillset in COTH.

Thanks again for the feedback.

 

[MogulKahn]

New map is great. Just to tell you, you forgot to change text on that "Magic Swords" or whatever passive ability on Riders of the Storm. And I need to ask you why are they fel orcs?

 

[TheBronze]

Thanks. Why Fel Orcs? I was running out of model options for them ingame. I don't want to use a custom model for them because I'm saving space for heroes. If you any suggestions for better models, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[kykeka]

Clearly this game needs 20 variations of raiders in all the colors of the rainbow.

 

[TheBronze]

Clearly this game needs 20 variations of raiders in all the colors of the rainbow.

Or just two.

 

[MogulKahn]

I am interested in playing this with other people. Where do you play guys, and I would like some guides how to play Alliance and Horde, what items to build on specific heroes, what is the specialization of each hero etc. Can someone help me?

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

I am interested in playing this with other people. Where do you play guys, and I would like some guides how to play Alliance and Horde, what items to build on specific heroes, what is the specialization of each hero etc. Can someone help me?

Most of us (the people I know own and I) play this on battle.net via makemehost.com / makemehost.com/games.php. Dunno the clans for it, but most of the strategy clans are probably familiar with the map so you could seek them out.

Without battle.net I'm not so sure, but you can use ENTConnect to connect to ENT B.net games and some 3rd party servers. http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/multiplayer-clans-arrangements-726/where-play-how-host-272895/

 

[TheBronze]

I am interested in playing this with other people. Where do you play guys, and I would like some guides how to play Alliance and Horde, what items to build on specific heroes, what is the specialization of each hero etc. Can someone help me?

You can find games at http://www.makemehost.com/games.php. Then start up Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne and logon to Battle.net. Once you are online type (don't copy and paste) the game name from Makemehost.com and you'll join up.

You can also use makemhost.com to host games, and if you type in Coming of the Horde in the map box, you'll find it: http://www.makemehost.com/

If you have never played COTH with 11 other players, then you are in for a treat.

 

[history47]

New To Hive and need help.
How do I make it so the CPU works on the horse and my allies? So far, when I put in computer players, they just sit there and do nothing.

 

[TheBronze]

COTH doesn't have artificial intelligence and was designed to play on Battle.net with 12 players.

You can find games at http://www.makemehost.com/games.php. Then start up Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne and logon to Battle.net. Once you are online type (don't copy and paste) the game name from Makemehost.com and you'll join up.

You can also use makemhost.com to host games, and if you type in Coming of the Horde in the map box, you'll find it: http://www.makemehost.com/

 

[Hardtime]

Personally, I think you should re-do most of the terrain instead of adjusting smaller trigger/balancing details like this. Also maybe you could add a wee bit more custom hero models and compress it a little more. Just my personal opinion though.

 

[TheBronze]

Personally, I think you should re-do most of the terrain instead of adjusting smaller trigger/balancing details like this. Also maybe you could add a wee bit more custom hero models and compress it a little more. Just my personal opinion though.

The map is compressed probably more than any other map on B-net. There are so many custom heroes/skins/ect. Either way, this hopefully won't matter with the coming improvements to B-net.

Anyway, what do you think I should re-do regarding the terrain? I have no problems adjusting the terrain, it just went through a major overhaul.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Hardtime]

The main reason I dislike the terrain is because it seems so unrefined. Maybe you could get Forsaken to help you out a little with the terrain? I've always considered remaking or creating a similar map to this but with the terrain that's on par with Azeroth Wars or Dark Ages of WC Maybe you could use WE Unlimited or JassNewGen to remove the limits you have to deal with in the standard WC Editor? If you need help or anything, I'd be happy to oblige.

 

[Ash]

I'm really happy to see this project is still ongoing. IMO you should consider applying for hosted project. It's a really fun map.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

I'm really happy to see this project is still ongoing. IMO you should consider applying for hosted project. It's a really fun map.

Ash ^^
http://diplomunion.com/index.php?forums/coth/

Not that there can't be two places, but saying there's already one.

 

[TheBronze]

The main reason I dislike the terrain is because it seems so unrefined. Maybe you could get Forsaken to help you out a little with the terrain? I've always considered remaking or creating a similar map to this but with the terrain that's on par with Azeroth Wars or Dark Ages of WC Maybe you could use WE Unlimited or JassNewGen to remove the limits you have to deal with in the standard WC Editor? If you need help or anything, I'd be happy to oblige.

Have you played recently? I did an overhaul of the terrain using NewGen, which of course removed the limits. Check it out, I think it looks better personally than Azeroth Wars, though I am very biased =)

If you have any specific areas that you think could be improved, please let me know. If Blizzard increases the map size limit then I'll be adding more custom textures for the tileset which should significantly improve the map.

Here is a few before and afters, though these are older shots now, and the terrain has improved more since this:


Lordaeron Before:



Lordaeron After:




Stromgarde Before:



Stromgarde After:




Mountain Pass Before:



Mountain Pass After:




Quel'Thalas Before:



Quel'Thalas After:

 

[Ash]

Ash ^^
http://diplomunion.com/index.php?forums/coth/

Not that there can't be two places, but saying there'such already one.

Meh.

 

[MogulKahn]

Meh for?

 

[Bazinga]

COTH-Replay

Hello everybody.I'm asking can you guys send me replays of COTH because on youtube there are only 3 vids and i just love this mod so much!
[email protected]

 

[Bazinga]

COTH-Replay

pls send me replays!!!

 

[MogulKahn]

Go on th official site, there is plenty of them!

 

[Hardtime]

I'll check your map out again, don't mind if I do haha

 

[EredarArbeiterYU]

I played as Kul Tiras and noticed this one bad thing. I was not able to build a shipyard at a location that I wanted even tough it showed it as green (right on the south beach of Kul Tiras island) so I placed a few meters to the side BUT the real trouble is that it somehow managed to block in all ships that I would build! So I made a few ships and to my horror they were all stuck/bugged inside the building or between the building and the land. Please make it somehow easier to place those shipyards without being stuck (either make the Shipyard smaller or better yet make it so that I can build it inside of shallow water, orrrrrrrr remove it's collision size or make that size a lot smaller). ;c And also I was not able to destroy my own shipyard cause all units would refuse to attack it.
Also my game suddenly lost control and keyboard stopped working (and then the game just quit and sent me to scorescreen for no reason ;p)... but that happens when I use Bandicam I think to record....

 

[TheBronze]

Thank you for the report.