Chaos Orcs Race (opinion and ideas needed)

[Flame_Phoenix]

Chaos Orcs Race by Flame_Phoenix
This race is in my project CCFE. To see it in action go to:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=95094&prev=search=ccfe&d=list&r=20

Based on:
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=93188


Basically I need ideas for:
- Bloody Aura (Building ability)

I need Icon suggestions for:
- Fel Fury Upgrade/ability
- Fire Forge Upgrade/ability
- Ward longevity upgrade

Buildings

See buildings and description

Main

- Model: Orc Great Hall
- Icon: Orc Great Hall
- Funtion: Can gather resources and evolve to 3 tiers.
- Units:

- Fel Orc Peon​

- Researches:

- Chaotic Rage
- BackPack​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1​

Fel Orc burrow

- Model: Orc burrow
- Icon: Orc burrow
- Funtion: Increases food. Can load peons to defend itself.
- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1​

Fel Orc tower

- Model: Orc tower
- Icon: Orc tower
- Funtion: Basic defensive unit that attacks enemies
- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1
- Upgrades:

- Fire Forge
- Incenerating arrow
​

Corrupted fountain

- Model: Blood fountain
- Icon: Blood fountain
- Funtion: Sells items for the race. It is also a requirement for some units.
- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1
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Fel Lumber Mill

- Model: Orc Lumber Mill
- Icon: Orc Lumber Mill
- Funtion: Serves as a drop point for lumber. Also has upgrades for the Fel Orcs.
- Researches:

- Bloody Aura
- Melee attack
- Melee armor
- Ranged attack
- Ranged armor​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1​

Chaos Barracks

- Model: Orc barracks
- Icon: Orc barracks
- Function: Trains basic warrior for the Chaos Orc race
- Units:

- Fel Orc Grunt
- Fel Berseker
- Chaos cart​

- Researches:

- Inner Flame
- Inner Burn
- Driver License​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1​

Altar

- Model: Centaur Altar (needs birth animation)
- Icon: Demon Portal
- Function: Trains and revives heroes
- Units:

- Summoner
- Chaos Warchief
- Chaos Blade Master
- Chaos Leader​

- Researches: none
- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 1​

Possession Lodge

- Model: Orc Spirit Lodge
- Icon: Orc Spirit Lodge
- Function: Trains casters and also has upgrdas for them
- Units:

- Chaos Warmage
- Fel Seeker​

- Researches:

- Chaos Warmage Adept training
- Chaos Warmage Master traning
- Fel Seekerk Adept training
- Fel Seeker Master training
- Skeletal Unholy strenght
- Ward Longevity
​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 2​

Chaos Bestiary

- Model: Orc Bestiary
- Icon: Orc Bestiary
- Function: Trains medium units with abilities for fast attacks and support. Also trains the shop unit.
- Units:

- Fel Orc Rider
- Fel Chaos Kodo beast
- Fel Dragon Rider​

- Researches:

- Devil's Speed
- Battle Transe
- Throw spear​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 2
​

Chaos Dragon Roost

- Model: Red dragon roost (need birth, train, and death animations)
- Icon: Draon Roost
- Function: Trains the ultimate unit for the Chaos Orcs. Also has upgrade for it.
- Units:

- Red Dragon
​

- Researches:

- Fel Fury
​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 3
​

Corruption Core

- Model: Power Generator (lack birth, train and death animations)
- Icon: Power Generator
- Function: Trains a corrupted spirit wyvern and is a requirement for Dragon Roost. Also has abilities for the unit it trains.
- Units:

- Corrupted Wyvern Spirit
​

- Researches:

- Hell Gates​

- Abilities: Bloody Aura
- Tier 3
​

Units

See units and description

Fel Peon

- Description: Can harvest gold and lumber and it can also build structures. Can learn Greave ability and get inside burrows.
- Model: Fel Peon
- Icon: Fel Peon
- Abilities: Chaos Rage​

Fel Grunt
- Description: Strong melee unit made to counter the Orc grunt but to be weaker in long term. Can learn Chaos Fire and Greave.

- Model: Fel Grunt
- Icon: Fel Grunt
- Abilities:

- Inner Flame
- Chaos Rage​

Fel Berseker

- Description: Chaos Orc ranged unit. It is strong and has a great attack. Can learn Inner burn and Drive Cart.
- Model: Units\Demon\ChaosOrcRange\ChaosOrcRange.mdl
- Icon: Replaceabletextures\Commandbuttons\BTNDiabloCar.blp
- Abilities:

- Inner Burn
- Ride Cart​

Chaos Cart

- Description: A siege unit for Chaos Orcs, just like the catapult.
- Model: Countraption machine
- Icon: Countraption machine
- Abilities: Get in (allows mix Fel Berseker with this unit)
​

Chaos Combination

- Description: A mix of the Chaos Berseker with the siege unit. This new unit is very good against buildings and air units, but weaker in melee combat.
- Model: Units\Other\DiabloCar\DiabloCar.mdl
- Icon: Countraption machine
- Abilities: Get Out (allows to separate the units again)
​

Fel Rider

- Description: Counterpart of the Orc rider, fast and deadly, specially good to harras. Can learn Devil's speed.
- Model: Fel Rider
- Icon: Fel Rider
- Abilities:

- Devil's Speed
- Chaos Rage​

Fel Kodo Beast

- Description: Counterpart of the Orc Kodo Beast. Weak as a ranged unit, but excelent in support. Has devour and can learn Battle Transe.
- Model: Fel Kodo Beast
- Icon: Fel Kodo Beast
- Abilities:

- Battle Transe
- Devour​

Fel Dragon Rider

- Description: A flying unit expert at making ranged assaults against other air units. It is also a good anti-caster. Can attack both ground and air units. Has Mindful Spear ability and can learn Throw spear.
- Model: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=48430&prev=search=Fel%20Orc&d=list&r=20
- Icon: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=110098&prev=c=121&r=20&d=list&page=5
- Abilities:

- Mindful Spear
- Throw Spear​

Chaos Warmage

- Description: Ward casting unit made to be a dark counter of the Orc witch doctor. Can first cast "Draining Ward" which drains hp from enemy units near the ward. Can Learn "Soul Ward" and "Dark Stick".
- Model: Orc Warlock
- Icon: Orc Warlock
- Abilities:

- Drain Ward
- Soul Ward
- Dark Ward​

Fel Seeker (need better name)

- Description: Spellcasting unit made to be an alternative to the xaman. Can first cast "Firebolt" which damage and stuns enemy units for a short duration of time. Can learn "Burn" and "OnFire".
- Model: Fel warlock
- Icon: Fel Warlock
- Abilities:

- FireBolt
- Burn
- OnFire​

Corrupted Wyvern Spirit
- Description: It is supposed to be as usefull as the undead ghost unit but it should be a born scouter.

- Model: Spirit Wyvern
- Icon: Spirit Wyvern
- Abilities:

- Invisibility
- True Sight
- Hell Gates​

Red Dragon

- Description: Might Air unit that has devour and is magic immune. Can also learn Drafon ability 1. (do you think that a flying unit with 3 abilities is too unbalanced? I think it is =S )
- Model: Red dragon level 10
- Icon: Red dragon
- Abilities:

- Devour
- Fel Fury
​

Upgrades and abilities

See upgrades and description

Backpack

- Icon: backpack
- Description: Allows some Fel orc units to carry items
- Tier: 1
​

Chaotic Rage

- Icon: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=116106&prev=t=14&r=20&d=list&page=6
- Description: Everytime a Fel Grunt, Fel Rider or a Fel peon attack an enemy unit, they have a chance to cause the attack in Chaos form to the enemy. The chance to attack in Chaos form is 1% per 2% of hp missing.
- Tier: 2​

Bloody Aura

- Icon: Need one
- Description: Creates an aura around chaos buildings. Units within this aura will have bonuses (need ideas).
- Tier: depends on the awesomeness of the aura​

Inner Flame

- Icon: turn on immolation
- Description: Allows Fel Grunts to make a powerfull roar that will increase their armor depending on the number of allied Undead or Chaos units nearby. Maximumm armor bonus is 5.
- Tier: 2​

Inner Burn

- Icon: turn immolation off
- Description: Allows Fel Bersekers to make a powerfull roar that will increase their attack depending on the number of allied Undead or Chaos units nearby. Maximumm attack bonus is 7.
- Tier: 2​

Driver's License

- Icon: Load unit
- Description: Allows Fel Berserker to ride a Chaos Cart, thus forming a new unit with a siege attack against buildings and stronger against air. It is however weaker in combat.
- Tier: 2​

Chaos Warmage Adept training

- Icon: Tome Book 1
- Description: Allows Chaos Warmage to cast Soul Ward. Soul Ward summons a skeleton from a corpse eveytime a unit dies near it. Also and increases their attack, mana and mana regeneration.
- Tier: 2​

Chaos Warmage Master traning

- Icon: Tome Book 2
- Description: Allows Chaos Warmage to cast Dark Stick. Dark Stick decreases enemy units max hp by 2% and slows their movement speed by 20% as well.Also and increases their attack, mana and mana regeneration.
- Tier: 3​

Fel Seekerk Adept training

- Icon: Roar item 1
- Description: Allows Fel Seeker to cast Burn. Burn burns all enemies in the target AOE for 3 hp/sec and decreases their armor by -2. If a unit that is being burned dies, it will explode and the effect of Burn will go to all enemy units near it. It also dispells magical buffs.
- Tier: 2​

Fel Seeker Master training

- Icon: Roar item 2
- Description: Allwos Fel Seeker to cast OnFire. OnFire gives allies units +3 damage, increases hp regeneration, a fireshield that damages enemy units by 7 hp/sec and a fire AOE attack as well.
- Tier: 3​

Skeletal Unholy strenght

- Icon: Champion Orc skeleton
- Description: Upgrades the skeletons summoned by Soul Ward, making them stronger. Their life time does not change.
- Tier: 2​

Ward Longevity

- Icon: (need one)
- Description: Increases the life time of wards from the Chaos Warmage
- Tier: 3​

Devil's Speed

- Icon: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=56290&prev=r=200&d=list&page=9
- Description: This ability gives the caster bonus movement speed according to the number of allied units that are Undead or Chaos Orc and that are near the caster. Each unit gives a 5% bonus to speed. The max speed bonus is 33% of the casters curent speed. When using this ability, the caster also become able to walk through units. When doing so, if the unit is enemy it will be slowed by 33% of the caster's current speed for 5 seconds. Lasts 30 seconds.
- Tier: 3​

Battle Transe

- Icon: SelfMade
- Description: Allows the Fel Kodo beast to have an aura that increases allied units hp by 3% and attack speed by 5%.
- Tier: 2
​

Mindful Spear

- Icon: (need passive Icon)
- Description:: When the Rider damages a unit, it poisons the mind of the unit, making it lose 4 mana per second (it is like poison ability but with mana. The chaos orcs like dispelling and anti-caster abilies, so this is a good one). If a caster with Midful spear casts a spell, he also loses adition 5% of his mana. When targeted on Summoned units, it poisons thier sould making them take 33% extra damage from all sources. Lasts 30 seconds.
- Tier: none, comes with the unit​

Fire Forge

- Icon: not decided yet
- Description: Allows Chaos Orc towers to be surrounded with fire. If an enemy unit gets to close to the tower, it will start burning, losing 7 hp/sec.
- Tier: 2
​

Burning Arrows

- Icon: Priestess of the Moon Fire Arrows
- Description: Allows Chaos Orc towers to fire burning arrows, causing targets to burn for 10 seconds, losing 7 hp/sec.
- Tier: 2
​

Fel Fury

- Icon: Need one
- Description: Gives the dragon a chance to set a unit on fire when he attacks one. The chances of doing such an attack are 1% per each 2% of hp missing. A unit on fire will lose 10 hp/sec.
- Tier: 3
​

Hell Gates

- Icon: Portal
- Description: Opens a Gate between the Spirit's position and the nearest Possession Core with Hell Gates upgrade ability made. The Gate takes 10 seconds to summon. If during the summoning the spirit or the gate die, the spell is canceled. Once the Gate os opened it will last for 20 seconds and it will allow allies to travel instantly from one end point to the other. Once the gate is opened the Spirit is sacrificed to mantain the Gate.
- Tier: 3
​

Credits

All this awesome ideas would not be possible without the imagination of:

- Trillium
- Hijax
​

 

[Aeroblyctos]

A lot of stuff. Perhaps too much? Well you should organize your text a little better. Use for example hidden tags and different font sizes. Anyways... You are still doing your project which is a good thing. I wish you luck once again and your game seems to improve after every version. An excellent mark of a quality map. Reputation added.

- Description: Allows the Fel Kodo beast to have an aura that increases allied units hp by 2%.

I would like to know how you have done this ability.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Aeroblyctos my friend, long time no see.
Thanks for your constructive comment, in deed I think I will do what you suggest.

As for the ability ... it is not done yet (I am going to add it for Beta 2.0b) but I know how to do it. However the Ability is in vJass ... I am afraid your GUI campaign will not support it =S

I will be sure to send you a PM once I finish that ability.

I am also happy to see you are now in 3a. Too bad you will soon end the project =S
rep++ for the sake of good old times.

EDIT EDIT EDIT

Ok guys, 1st post updated, let me remind you that I will give rep++ to good ideas =D

 

[Hijax]

upgrade: Burnin' down the house: all buildings attacked by some chaos orc units catch on fire, dealing damage to anything near them.

 

[Gyrosphinx]

No crossbowman?

But anyways, cool stuff

 

[Trillium]

Dragon Ability (guess it all based on original warcraft histroy):
Gift of Alextrasza - the dragon unleashes a great wave of pure life energy, filling all friendly units caught in the area of effect with great strength (+ 15% damage). However, Chaos Orcs and Undead also take 50 damage per second, due to their unholy origins. Lasts 10 seconds. (channeled perhaps?)

i think it will fit with your 'less hp, more dmg' style of chaos orcs


Corrupted Spirit Wyvern ability:
Redemption - the spirit wyvern unleashes the fel energies coursing through its 'body', dealing XXX damage to all nearby units; the spirit wyvern becomes non-corrupted and is healed to full health. however, the flow of energy drives the creature insane, making it hostile to anyone.

kinda camicadze ability, good for stealth operations

Fel Seeker -> Chaos Ascendant/Chaos Aspirant

Bloody Aura - increases the chance to enter Chaotic Rage by 30%. each time a unit affected bu the aura deals Chaos damage, he is healed for (Y-unit's max hp).
y ~ 500-1000
kinda supposed to be a good defensive aura + makes peons a formidable defensive force

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

upgrade: Burnin' down the house: all buildings attacked by some chaos orc units catch on fire, dealing damage to anything near them.

I suppose this could be some sort of independent upgrade for buildings, like the Nerubian tower from the undead or Cold Tower. I think this would fit for a real nice Tower Ability, since it would finally add a decent defensive structure to the race.
Good idea.

No crossbowman?

The race has a ranged attacker, the Fel Berseker. It's projectile is kinda sucky, but I intend to change that xD

Dragon Ability (guess it all based on original warcraft histroy):

So, in a 1v1 game, this would most likely get you killed xD I don't think such an ability would be a good idea, besides all ultimate units have a passive ability =P
You are correct in one thing though -> I want the Chaos Orcs to be a "less hp + damage" race, however the dragon the control is also meant to be evil, not pure =S

Redemption - the spirit wyvern unleashes the fel energies coursing through its 'body', dealing XXX damage to all nearby units; the spirit wyvern becomes non-corrupted and is healed to full health. however, the flow of energy drives the creature insane, making it hostile to anyone.

Goo idea, however having in mind this unit is also invisible I think that it would be a little unbalanced to have an army of invisible wyvern exploding and killing enemies ... I mean, enemy players would get really frustrated and angry, they would simply die for no reason.
Besides I am not sure if Neutral Hostile invisible unit attack ...
Maybe I should make the Wyvern visible and give it a melee attack?

kinda camicadze ability, good for stealth operations

Orcs have Kamikaze units (bat) and Undeads have stealth units (ghosts) so this is really the perfect middle term I need to find.

Bloody Aura - increases the chance to enter Chaotic Rage by 30%. each time a unit affected bu the aura deals Chaos damage, he is healed for (Y-unit's max hp).
y ~ 500-1000
kinda supposed to be a good defensive aura + makes peons a formidable defensive force

Increasing the Chaotic Rage, although an excellent idea, would only affect a small portion of the Chaos forces. My problem here is that I need something that provides a bonus to the Chaos Orcs (and Ud maybe) in a special way and that fits the tactic of the race good.
Making peons a good defensive force would make the Chaos Burrows useless... I am trying to avoid that so far xD

All, thx for the ideas. rep++ to all people who helped.

 

[Trillium]

ofc, dragon remains corrupted, but he still reatins some of his natural powers, doesn't he?
anyway:
Tainted Blood (passive) - dragon's blood becomes a vessel of dark power. every time dragon is hit, there is a (dmg dealt/10)% chance that he will deal XXX damage to all enemies in 200 radius (both ground and air) and steal XX life from them.


wyvern's damage should be not too high, maybe with 'liquid fire'-ish component, to make it good for disrupting enemy forces. maybe even reduce the damage even more and add some cursing/slowing/weakening component.

neutral hostile wyvern should be visible, non-corrupted and with attack


ok, maybe this:
Bloody Aura - focuses the fel energy coursing through the blood of corrupted friendly units, giving thrm a 5% chance to avoid fatal damage. when a unit avoids fatal damage, he automatically enters Chaotic Rage

 

[Coolty44]

Bloody Aura - All chaos orc buildings eminate their ancient demonic orgins, giving them increased attack damage and faster movemnt. Increases their bloodlust until they leave the area of which the aura is from.

Basicly, adds bloodlust (like the shamans) until they leave the area around the buildings. It could aslo maybe effect other races aswell. I think this would be great for a race thats pretty much war, as it adds to the lore in a way.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

ofc, dragon remains corrupted, but he still reatins some of his natural powers, doesn't he?

Not in my map xD

Tainted Blood (passive) - dragon's blood becomes a vessel of dark power. every time dragon is hit, there is a (dmg dealt/10)% chance that he will deal XXX damage to all enemies in 200 radius (both ground and air) and steal XX life from them.

This looks like a perfect spell for a Tank hero. If you see CHims, Gryphons, frosts or Taurens, you see they all have some sort of special attack mmmm I am looking something similar for a dragon but it seems too hard ...

wyvern's damage should be not too high, maybe with 'liquid fire'-ish component, to make it good for disrupting enemy forces. maybe even reduce the damage even more and add some cursing/slowing/weakening component.

neutral hostile wyvern should be visible, non-corrupted and with attack

Let me see if I understand, a spirit Wyvern is invisible, flying and can see invisible units. Using a Kamikaze ability, he does a weird effect to all units near him, gets full hp, and then he goes hostile. Having in mind we are talking about spirit I don't think Fire is an answer, I think that Ethereal is... I fear this can be unbalanced... I mean, not even wisps nor ultimate spells from heroes can attack a player in such an unpredictable and fearsome way...

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ofc, dragon remains corrupted, but he still reatins some of his natural powers, doesn't he?
anyway:
Tainted Blood (passive) - dragon's blood becomes a vessel of dark power. every time dragon is hit, there is a (dmg dealt/10)% chance that he will deal XXX damage to all enemies in 200 radius (both ground and air) and steal XX life from them.


wyvern's damage should be not too high, maybe with 'liquid fire'-ish component, to make it good for disrupting enemy forces. maybe even reduce the damage even more and add some cursing/slowing/weakening component.

neutral hostile wyvern should be visible, non-corrupted and with attack

ok, maybe this:
Bloody Aura - focuses the fel energy coursing through the blood of corrupted friendly units, giving thrm a 5% chance to avoid fatal damage. when a unit avoids fatal damage, he automatically enters Chaotic Rage

Your problem is that you are always using Chaotic Rage, which can only affect 3 units of the race. I need something more general, perhaps another crazy ability that can be applied to most units and with special effect to CO and UD.

@Coolty44:
I am looking for something more original xD

Thx for the suggestions guys ... but I am missing something here mmm

 

[Hijax]

Fiery Soul: Whenever a chaos orc unit takes damage, it has a X% chance to enter a Burning Rage, increasing all damage dealt and taken by Y%.

Spreading Fire: Whenever a chaos orc unit gets whithin 50 of a unit in a state of Buring Rage, that unit enter burning rage too.

Fuel for the Fire: Instead of taking Y% more damage, all units in Burning Rage loses 1% of their max hp each second. This damage is added to mana.

suggestion for the wyvern: its invisible, ethereal, all that shit. it cant attack. then you can make it go berserk, becoming hostile to everybody and able to attack. simple as that.


upgrade:
Channel Corruption: fel seekers can channel their inner corruption to a berserk wyvern, taking control of it again. this costs then 50% of their max life and 50% of their max mana.

 

[Trillium]

ok, you didn't catch up =))

when wyvern makes that kamikadze move, it changes to different unit, with no invisibiloty, but with attack and all that kind of things


'bout chaotic rage: i meant that while under the effect of Bloody Aura any friendly unit of any race, be it human, night elf, undead, fel orc or a hired kobold, any unit can enter Chaotic Rage


ok, different set of abilities:

Wyvern:
Chaotic Funnel - sacrifices the wyvern, using its spirit energy to create a temporary rift in the reality.
Generally it gives the nearest Corruption Core a waygate ability, with the exit regian being right under the wyvern. the wyvern in shape of Chaotic Funnel is invulnerbale, but the whole effect lasts only 10-15 seconds. only one Chaotic Funnel may exist at any given time. and of course it kill the wyvern after it expires.

dragon:
Fel Fury - increases dragon's attack damage by ((% of hp missing)/2)%. same percentage of damage also goes spalsh and dragon has ame percednt chance to deal 1.5 damage on attack.
i fear this one is too hero-ish too =)

aura:
Bloody Aura - gives a 10% chance to avoid fatal damage - simple as that, and without chaotic rage component =)) though the percent may be too high

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Fiery Soul: Whenever a chaos orc unit takes damage, it has a X% chance to enter a Burning Rage, increasing all damage dealt and taken by Y%.

The Orc berseker already has an ability that does this =S

suggestion for the wyvern: its invisible, ethereal, all that shit. it cant attack. then you can make it go berserk, becoming hostile to everybody and able to attack. simple as that.

Mmmm..... I kinda fear this thing ...
I know, I could make the "berserk" thing be a tier 3 upgrade. That would balance things I guess.

'bout chaotic rage: i meant that while under the effect of Bloody Aura any friendly unit of any race, be it human, night elf, undead, fel orc or a hired kobold, any unit can enter Chaotic Rage

I still don't get what you mean when you say "Enter Chaotic Rage". You see, Chaotic Rage is some sort of improved and balanced critical strike, it gives the user a chance to deal more damage on attacks. My brain just interprets this as "A unit enter Critical Strike"... how I am supposed to make a unit enter critical strike? lol...

Chaotic Funnel - sacrifices the wyvern, using its spirit energy to create a temporary rift in the reality.
Generally it gives the nearest Corruption Core a waygate ability, with the exit regian being right under the wyvern. the wyvern in shape of Chaotic Funnel is invulnerbale, but the whole effect lasts only 10-15 seconds. only one Chaotic Funnel may exist at any given time. and of course it kill the wyvern after it expires.

In deed, this would be a better idea for a unit which main purpose is to be a scout. However, having in mind the unit is invisible, wouldn't it be too unbalanced? I mean, you could simply carry one of those units to the back of a base, and then rape it totally mmmm without even giving a chance to the player of defending himself. Humans can do this sort of tricks, but it takes an invisible unit and a level 6 archmage to do it.

Fel Fury - increases dragon's attack damage by ((% of hp missing)/2)%. same percentage of damage also goes spalsh and dragon has ame percednt chance to deal 1.5 damage on attack.

I think this mix would be nice: Gives the dragon a chance to set a unit on fire when he attack one. The chances of doing such an attack are 1% per each 2% of hp missing.
What do you think?

Bloody Aura - gives a 10% chance to avoid fatal damage - simple as that, and without chaotic rage component =)) though the percent may be too high

I think this is too defensive for a race that is offensive born mmmm

I think I made need an "equivalent" idea for Chaotic Rage. With such an idea, I could make the buildings aura really nice.

 

[Trillium]

ah, from description i thought that CHaotic Rage was a short buff =)) my apologies

then maybe put a limit to the amount of units that can pass through Chaos Funnel? then it will be more of a diversion tool, than attacking

yeah, your variant of dragon ability is better =)) mine is too complicated =))

btw, what kind of aura would you like to see? is it limited to base only?

 

[Hijax]

The Orc berseker already has an ability that does this =S

You could still add spreading fire. and maybe an equivalent ability for fel seekers.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

yeah, your variant of dragon ability is better =)) mine is too complicated =))

~Technically my ability will be more complicated than yours xD I will most likely add your Critic strike effect with AOE too lol

then maybe put a limit to the amount of units that can pass through Chaos Funnel? then it will be more of a diversion tool, than attacking

I was thinking -> to open the gate it takes like 10 seconds. Although the wyvern is still invisible, the Gate is not. If during the summing of the Gate, the Wyvern or the Gate die, they both die and the spell stops.
Also, this would be a tier 3 ability and to be used, you would have to upgrade the Building as well, so it does support portals. (you make 2 upgrades, one upgrade allows your units to use the spell, the other allows the buildings to have a portal entrance or exit.)
By curiosity, what happens if there are no buildings that can support portals? Should I simply stop the spell with a nice error message, or should I do something else?

btw, what kind of aura would you like to see? is it limited to base only?

Yes. Did you played the UD campaign where Undead try to steal a scared book and kill 3 mages that have a protective aura? It will be something like that.

You could still add spreading fire. and maybe an equivalent ability for fel seekers.

Fell Seekers already have an ability (offensive) for that effect.

 

[Trillium]

what 'bout smth like Thorns aura for buildings? not too original, but meh =))

EDIT: the damage of tharons may scale with amount of building's hp lost - less hp, more dmg

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

what 'bout smth like Thorns aura for buildings? not too original, but meh =))

You didn't play the Ud campaign did you ? xD
The aura itself affect units. In this case it would affect UD units by making them lose 3 hp/sec, moving slower and turning them purple.

 

[Trillium]

i did play UD campaign =P
maybe same but with mana burn? smth like this:
Bloody Aura - burns 2 points of mana per second, dealing 1 point of damage per point of mana burned. If target has no mana, it still takes 1 point of damage per second. Also, every time an enemy unit is healed, he gets damaged for 100 damage.

i know it is situational, but i can't think of anything more original than that atm.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

MMm Trillium you are making me considerate my options ... You see, the "Aura" ability idea will also be used in my other Race, the HIgh Elfs. The HE are a defensive race (contrast with CO) and so I would like to have 2 opponent auras. My main idea would be:
- HE damage enemy
- CO gives bonus to allies ...

But I don't know ... what is more "offensive" ?? An aura that helps your units, or an aura that kills your enemies?

 

[Trillium]

well, maybe make the HE aura smth like
Blah-blah Aura - puts a curse (i know it doesnt suit HE, but cant think of a better word atm) dealing 50-100 damage over 10 seconds to all enemies within the aura's range and reducing their movement and attack speed to 50%. ticks every 10 seconds.

and if you want a buff-type aura for CO, then maybe this:
Bloody Aura - each 10-15 seconds refreshes all CDs of all allies within aura's range (and disples all harmful magical effects from them). Also grants them a 5-second buff, causing them to deal Chaos damage with their normal attacks.

the part in italic is optional =)))

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Nice ideas I must say ... however my question was far more simple...
DO you think this aura (Chaos) should affect allies in positive manner, or should affect enemies in negative manner?

 

[Trillium]

dunno... don't see much difference here =))
ihmo, will it fit Chaos Orcs, or not, depends mainly on name/icon/model/description =))

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Ok, to celebrate the release of CCFE Beta 2.0b I upgraded the description of the race. I also added new section, credits to honour those who helped me from the start.

I also have new requests =P

About the aura, I still need ideas. For me it is not about the icon nor the description is about finding a good ability to fit the race's overall strategy...

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Amy ideas for building aura?
I was thinking about using Splash Damage with something else, but I don't know what =S

 

[Trillium]

Bloody Aura - grants all nearby allies a chance to deal chaos damage on attack, based on percentage of their lost health. stacks with Chaotic Rage. doesn't stack with itself.

=)))))

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

LOOOOL, this is the other suggestion xD
I was thinking of: Gives units a chance to deal an attack with splash damage depending on their hp BUT ... I think that is a crappy modification of Chaotic Rage ... Any suggestions?

Off-topic:
Soon ... Devils Speed will be unleashed and true power will come !! MUAHAHAHHA
For those you check the Devils Speed ability in the techtree ... I can say version 2.c will have it. Kodo updates will also enter the stack and I may add the flying unit (but without abilities).

 

[Trillium]

Bloody Aura №5*10^3,5 - whenever a unit affected by Bloody Aura dies, all other units affected by Bloody Aura get healed by 10% of dead unit's total hp. (Friendly targets only ofc)

will work as a perfect defensive ability for a race focused on low hp. during an attack on a base, a chaos orc will surely die now and then, prolonging the lives of his allies. in grave situation, when most defenders die, the will still remain a small force with alot of hp.
tha aura may or may not count in dying enemy units as well. that's a question of balancing imho.

to keep the chaos orc style, the healing may not be applied to targets with 50% or more hp.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

MMMmmmm, you really can't think of anything with splash right ?
Anyway, I am going to take advantage of a part of your suggestion... to make up something different. Already have some ideas xD

Thx !

 

[QirajiLord]

Perhaps an option for combining splash damage and the on-death effect would be something like:

Bloody Aura: Friendly units that die under the effects of Bloody Aura burst, dealing X% of their maximum health as damage within Y Range, and reducing nearby enemies armor by Z for S seconds.

(Ran out of easy variables <.<) Anyways, I'm not sure how much you are playing with the idea that Chaos Orc blood is seriously messed up, but I could see this being a possible way to prove the point.
WARNING: Chaos Orc blood is volatile, and may cause gory explosions of contaminated organisms. May also stain/corrode clothes.

Also, that website you linked to has some great thoughts about the race. Thanks for sharing it with me.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

lol. I have a very different idea of the Chaos Orcs. Many people link them with Sacrifice, I personally link them with Fire and Rage, and I think that has a huge reflection on the way I make my techtree.
My problem with this aura is that I want something that is permanent, that can affect all units and not depending on a certain event. Such an idea is quite hard to find for me ...

Anyway, CCFE 2.0c is now released, please check the update and enjoy the changes ! =D
To commemorate I also updated this thread.
=D