C&C Generals: Zero Hour

ROMICH UA · Sep 27, 2008

What general is the best in this game? Tell what general in your opinion is the strongest in this game.

donut3.5 · Sep 27, 2008

SWG is the most imbalanced, by far. Power through the roof, extremely powerful defenses, and of course, powerful and cheap offense via superweapons.
As personal favorites, I like infantry and demo general. With the demo general, terrorists on motorbikes = win. With infantry, loading up a bunch of troop crawlers becomes damn near unstoppable.
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ROMICH UA · Sep 27, 2008

swg general has only offence by particle cannons. but it need too much time to build them.his defence is really cool? but it almost useless against china.they have nuclear cannons and hell cannons which are firing on a long distances where defenses couldn't reach them.i really like nuclear and tank generals.chine really rules =)

donut3.5 · Sep 27, 2008

They don't take too much time to load, and nuke/inferno cannons are pretty bad at defense if you just rush a few rocket troopers out.
Tank is good, a little overpowered IMO, as massing emperor overlords seems to be the strat people use. Still, they have nothing on Jarmen Kell.
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Steel_Stallion · Sep 27, 2008

I didnt play generals much. But I remember my only strategy that worked as china

Mass those tanks and give them speakers. Lol

ROMICH UA · Sep 27, 2008

i think it's not hard to defend nuclear annons whith 3-5 gattling tanks.they are good against infantry.I don't using imperor overlords very often. i prefere to build 1-2 overlords with speakers and many batlle masters.

Mechanical Man · Sep 27, 2008

I think that nuke general is more overpowered than SWG. Those battlemasters are pwnage (=pure ownage). They are faster and good against infantry. GLA against him is just gg

ROMICH UA · Sep 27, 2008

gla demolition general is good against nuke general.just build demo trucks or bikes and those powerful hordes of batlle masters are destroyed.

LordDz · Sep 27, 2008

donut3.5 said:
SWG is the most imbalanced, by far. Power through the roof, extremely powerful defenses, and of course, powerful and cheap offense via superweapons.
As personal favorites, I like infantry and demo general. With the demo general, terrorists on motorbikes = win. With infantry, loading up a bunch of troop crawlers becomes damn near unstoppable.
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Ma personal fav: Demo General

Small rush tac:

Build 2 barracks, 1 supply,
research capture buildings, send out 2 rebels to cap, then build 5 Terrorists on each Barrack.

Then when your supply is done, get a Tank Factory, build one radar, then 2 technicals. Load up with terrorists and go supply hunt! :grin:

ROMICH UA · Sep 27, 2008

LordDz said:
Ma personal fav: Demo General

Small rush tac:

Build 2 barracks, 1 supply,
research capture buildings, send out 2 rebels to cap, then build 5 Terrorists on each Barrack.

Then when your supply is done, get a Tank Factory, build one radar, then 2 technicals. Load up with terrorists and go supply hunt!

My tactics for demo general is to build 10 demo trucks and BLOW UP the enemy base...damn i'm genious :smile:

donut3.5 · Sep 27, 2008

Demo trucks are pretty expensive to mass though, the reason why I favor terrorists on motorbikes. Fast, cheap, and still pretty destructive, as they explode twice (one from the terrorist, one from the bike)
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LordDz · Sep 28, 2008

donut3.5 said:
Demo trucks are pretty expensive to mass though, the reason why I favor terrorists on motorbikes. Fast, cheap, and still pretty destructive, as they explode twice (one from the terrorist, one from the bike)
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Cheap?
Naah..

Technical + Terrorists are cheaper

. As even if the car explodes, the weapon will be alive.

donut3.5 · Sep 28, 2008

Err? Last I remember, motorbikes are more inexpensive than technicals..
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The_wand_mirror · Sep 28, 2008

I love the toxic general (Was he called like that), he rocks. i like GLA more than any other faction anyway =p

donut3.5 · Sep 28, 2008

Toxin general is terrible IMO. Only effective against infantry, really.
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Squiggy · Sep 28, 2008

Chinese Tank general > rest
Scud storm > rest

donut3.5 · Sep 28, 2008

SCUD storm was hilarious when there was the infinite attack bug..
You could select a terrorist and a SCUD storm and order them to attack the same spot, and the SCUD storm would shoot out a never ending stream of missiles.
Epic win.
But then they fixed it D:
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Mechanical Man · Sep 28, 2008

donut3.5 said:
Toxin general is terrible IMO. Only effective against infantry, really.
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Yes, he was funny, but those toxins weren't really dangerous, infantry was useful only garrisoned in buildings or vehicles.

TheDivineBoss · Sep 28, 2008

Mine favorite and best G were the NukeG and the AirPowerG.

ROMICH UA · Sep 28, 2008

donut3.5 said:
SCUD storm was hilarious when there was the infinite attack bug..
You could select a terrorist and a SCUD storm and order them to attack the same spot, and the SCUD storm would shoot out a never ending stream of missiles.
Epic win.
But then they fixed it D:
--donut3.5--

terrorist+SCUD...interesting.i heard about SCUD+Ctrl button but it didn't work.i'll try to do this way.

ROMICH UA · Sep 28, 2008

TheDivineBoss said:
Mine favorite and best G were the NukeG and the AirPowerG.

air force general is good, but he have no tanks. for exsample tank general have great tanks, but he has planes too.they are just mor expencive.

The_wand_mirror · Sep 28, 2008

donut3.5 said:
Toxin general is terrible IMO. Only effective against infantry, really.
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If you play him well you can do great damage in large area's lol. It indeed it very anti-infantry but when you just mass toxic you deal enough damage to tanks to destroy them quickly.

VGsatomi · Sep 30, 2008

Westwood/EA was never really well known for proper balancing. RA2 was ungodly horribly imbalanced. The original Generals was actually very well balanced. The new implementations with zero hour into the "original armies" made it even more balanced....however the "generals" themselves....well...not so balanced. Some generals were badly overpowered against certain other generals. Thats why I only play in the "original armies only" lobby.

Generals was a good games, but had way too many bugs. Even the 10 year anniversery versions has problems with recording and reading its own replay files, unable to save, frequent disconnects online....just sad to see...
-VGsatomi

The_wand_mirror · Sep 30, 2008

VGsatomi said:
Some generals were badly overpowered against certain other generals. Thats why I only play in the "original armies only" lobby.

Well that's also with WoW... Warriors for example can't compete with a Pally... and Rogues have not a good chance against Hunters... etc.

TheDivineBoss · Sep 30, 2008

Ít's called the ''Rock, Paper, Scissors'' tactic. Often used in Strategy games.

ROMICH UA · Sep 30, 2008

VGsatomi said:
Westwood/EA was never really well known for proper balancing. RA2 was ungodly horribly imbalanced. The original Generals was actually very well balanced. The new implementations with zero hour into the "original armies" made it even more balanced....however the "generals" themselves....well...not so balanced. Some generals were badly overpowered against certain other generals. Thats why I only play in the "original armies only" lobby.

Generals was a good games, but had way too many bugs. Even the 10 year anniversery versions has problems with recording and reading its own replay files, unable to save, frequent disconnects online....just sad to see...
-VGsatomi

I think this is not a disbalance. In Star Craft units were very different so players had to use strong sides of every race, not every unit. And i guess Star Craft is one of the best strategies in the world.

VGsatomi · Oct 1, 2008

Starcraft was also one of the more balanced RTS games. It did not have nearly the gross imbalances Generals had....well...minus the 1 minute zergling rushes on small maps....but on large, long games, no side had a real advantage or disadvantage against the other....which was why it, as you say, was one of the best strategy games in the world.

TheDivineBoss said:
Ít's called the ''Rock, Paper, Scissors'' tactic. Often used in Strategy games.

True, but the result of that is one side winning over the other not because of skill, but because what one player happens to be....losing by default, so to speak. When only 2 sides are playing and one is the rock and one is the scissor....what's to be done? It should never be like that- not in competitive gaming, at least. Skill should ALWAYS be the only determining factor- not imbalance or luck.

Well that's also with WoW... Warriors for example can't compete with a Pally... and Rogues have not a good chance against Hunters... etc.

Any yes, WoW pvp is very similar....some classes/specs are completely helpless against others....which was why I really disliked WoW PVP.

Zombie · Oct 1, 2008

Generals is a really fun game, I enjoyed it 10 times more than Tiberium Wars. Yeah, it's really unbalanced against bots, but I don't think it is against player. When I played against my friends via LAN, we always spammed super weapons. Super weapon spam vs. Super weapon spam was pretty much balanced, even against a Super weapon general. When we limited the super weapons we always built unbreakable defences, so the game would never end. It was better with unlimited superweapons.

Btw, I recommend you try Shockwave mod. It's like a whole new expansion pack to ZH, with over 100 new units and buildings. I downloaded it about half a year after getting bored with Generals, and I played it for another 3-4 months. It's awesome.

ROMICH UA · Oct 1, 2008

zombie2279 said:
Btw, I recommend you try Shockwave mod. It's like a whole new expansion pack to ZH, with over 100 new units and buildings. I downloaded it about half a year after getting bored with Generals, and I played it for another 3-4 months. It's awesome.

Project Raptor mod is cool too.It makes generals even more disbalanced :gg:

there are tonns of new units and changed standart units. There are even two new armies: militia (kind of rebels against gla.they have no Superweapon and weak tanks, but they have great infantry that is even more numerous then chinese infantry) and Boss (she uses the best units of every army in the game.she was in Zero Hour but she was locked )

Vicboy · Oct 1, 2008

I loved the Commander in Chief (The Reborn Mod was pretty popular in my place)

I would just mass super weapons and defenses...

My classmates banned me from using him... But, I still owned them anywayz...

ROMICH UA · Oct 1, 2008

Damn...I have too bad internet connection to download some really good mod. The only mode that I have is Project Raptor (downloaded it from the net for free =)) )

RoughneckLeader · Oct 2, 2008

How about that Rad Alert Mod that I saw? Its for general's; hell, I think I actually saw it on the Red Alert 3 site...

It's still fun I find. I haven't triad any mod's yet.

Vicboy · Oct 2, 2008

RoughneckLeader said:
How about that Rad Alert Mod that I saw? Its for general's; hell, I think I actually saw it on the Red Alert 3 site...

It's still fun I find. I haven't triad any mod's yet.

That mod was really disappointing...

Very laggy and not loyal to the Red Alert spirit...

Mechanical Man · Oct 2, 2008

The problem is was rly bad balanced. Wtf, rocked launcher costs $400, in original game costs $300 where he's still overpriced. Of course, it cannot dig himself. And vehicles retained the old prices too, even the ability doesn't work like in RA2, usually is much crappier. And the campaigns pretty much sucked.

Vicboy · Oct 2, 2008

He said em all...

Like the mind control became the damage infantry ability???

Mechanical Man · Oct 2, 2008

I think it was something to disable the vehicle.

Vicboy · Oct 2, 2008

Both, anywayz, its very crappy and we all agree on it...

I need mods... The ones that work on 1.04... Cause I can't update...

Septimus · Oct 3, 2008

Squiggy said:
Chinese Tank general > rest
Scud storm > rest

Well, tank general partically useless again super weapon general. The main weakness of tank general is he does not have any long range artillery, if alexis alexander build her fortress at top of the hill with a narrow entrance. There would be no way the tank gain access to her base unless by unload it via helicopter.

LordDz · Oct 4, 2008

Septimus said:
Well, tank general partically useless again super weapon general. The main weakness of tank general is he does not have any long range artillery, if alexis alexander build her fortress at top of the hill with a narrow entrance. There would be no way the tank gain access to her base unless by unload it via helicopter.

Except that she one hits any aircraft with her missile defences.

Vicboy · Oct 4, 2008

LordDz said:
Except that she one hits any aircraft with her missile defences.

Not jets...

just helis... which already is insane...

Mechanical Man · Oct 4, 2008

Jets too, but they are faster so it can't destroy them so easily, especially if having laser defences.

TheDivineBoss · Oct 4, 2008

Yeah, she had the best anti-air/tank defense you could find. First time I threw in the cavalry (I was the Airforce General), I sended like 50 King Raptors and only 8 returned.

Mechanical Man · Oct 4, 2008

King Raptors are actually good against those turrets, you just have to focus them (3 would be enough i think) on one turret and you're done.

LordDz · Oct 5, 2008

Vicboy said:
Not jets...

just helis... which already is insane...

Septimus said:
Well, tank general partically useless again super weapon general. The main weakness of tank general is he does not have any long range artillery, if alexis alexander build her fortress at top of the hill with a narrow entrance. There would be no way the tank gain access to her base unless by unload it via helicopter.

Vicboy · Oct 5, 2008

Super Weapon general isn't the best in my opinion...

She's just a defense builder...

Also an annoying Alpha Aurora spammer...

I'd just get infantry general against her.

Joe-black-5 · Oct 7, 2008

my personal best are china infantry and gla stealth
i played generals for to long its very popular in my country

Originally Posted by Squiggy
Chinese Tank general > rest

Lol china tank dont stand a chance vs china infantry 2 or 3 rocket men cab destroy the over lord tank

ROMICH UA · Oct 8, 2008

Joe-black-5 said:
my personal best are china infantry and gla stealth
i played generals for to long its very popular in my country

from what country are you?

ROMICH UA · Oct 8, 2008

Vicboy said:
Super Weapon general isn't the best in my opinion...

She's just a defense builder...

Also an annoying Alpha Aurora spammer...

I'd just get infantry general against her.

I'm agree with you.

TheDivineBoss · Oct 9, 2008

Joe-black-5 said:
my personal best are china infantry and gla stealth
i played generals for to long its very popular in my country

Originally Posted by Squiggy
Chinese Tank general > rest

Lol china tank dont stand a chance vs china infantry 2 or 3 rocket men cab destroy the over lord tank

Ever heard about ''roadkill''?

donut3.5 · Oct 9, 2008

TheDivineBoss said:
Ever heard about ''roadkill''?

Ever hear about heavy tanks having a slow acceleration and being blown to pieces before getting anywhere near the troops feet?
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