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Astaroth Zion's Knight Attachments Rework

Discussion in 'Modeling & Animation' started by Astaroth Zion, May 29, 2016.

  1. Astaroth Zion

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    Greetings fellow hivers,
    I am updating my whole knight's attachment set with team colored versions and fixing some old issues with some models. Thus to produce the best and most usuful resources possible please give me your oppinions (and requests) regarding the set.

    Current WIP: 1
    Current Image
    All set pieces include in both versions A (metal) and B (Golden) and their team colored parts include the following: Helm , Shoulder Pads, Chest Plate, Gauntlets, Shield and Boots.

    Metal Versions (A):
    • Tier 1A: basic gear with some plate armours and chain mail for hands and feet.
    • Tier 2A: improved gear with fully closed chest plate, also includes chainmail reinforcements for the chest plate and helm. Hands and feet have metal reinforcements to their chainmail.
    • Tier 3A: advanced gear with fully closed chest plate, most gear pieces are done with thick plate with few remaining chain mail at key high mobility places.

    Golden Versions (B):
    • Tier 1B: basic gear with some plate armours and chain mail for hands and feet. (Golden border to denote rich owner)
    • Tier 2B: improved gear with fully closed chest plate, also includes chainmail reinforcements for the chest plate and helm. Hands and feet have metal reinforcements to their chainmail. (Golden border to denote rich owner)
    • Tier 3B: advanced gear with fully closed chest plate, most gear pieces are done with thick plate with few remaining chain mail at key high mobility places. (Golden border to denote rich owner)

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    Older Versions
    Original 2014 version
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    TO DO LIST

    1. Separate metal versions from regular metal golden.
      • Metal Helm Tier 1A
      • Metal Helm Tier 2A
      • Metal Helm Tier 3A
      • Metal Chest Tier 1A(Uploaded, pending approval)
      • Metal Chest Tier 2A
      • Metal Chest Tier 3A
      • Metal Pauldrons Tier 1A
      • Metal Pauldrons Tier 2A
      • Metal Pauldrons Tier 3A
    2. Update textures of Golden Set to the a metallic one.
      • Golden Helm Tier 1B
      • Golden Helm Tier 2B
      • Golden Helm Tier 3B
      • Golden Chest Tier 1B(Approved) Link Here
      • Golden Chest Tier 2B
      • Golden Chest Tier 3B
      • Golden Pauldrons Tier 1B
      • Golden Pauldrons Tier 2B
      • Golden Pauldrons Tier 3B
    3. Add team colored alternatives to both Metal and Golden versions.
      • Metal Helm Tier 1A
      • Metal Helm Tier 2A
      • Metal Helm Tier 3A
      • Metal Chest Tier 1A(Uploaded, pending approval)
      • Metal Chest Tier 2A
      • Metal Chest Tier 3A
      • Metal Pauldrons Tier 1A
      • Metal Pauldrons Tier 2A
      • Metal Pauldrons Tier 3A
      • Golden Helm Tier 1B
      • Golden Helm Tier 2B
      • Golden Helm Tier 3B
      • Golden Chest Tier 1B(Approved) Link Here
      • Golden Chest Tier 2B
      • Golden Chest Tier 3B
      • Golden Pauldrons Tier 1B
      • Golden Pauldrons Tier 2B
      • Golden Pauldrons Tier 3B
    4. Create new items for the set
      • Simple Kettle Helmet (requested by SNIper of DARKness)
      • Kettle Helmet with Chainmail (requested by SNIper of DARKness)
      • Fabric Cape (suggested by Mr.Goblin)
      • Leather Cape (suggested by Mr.Goblin)
    5. Create templar cross patters with team color for the biggest pieces of the set.
      • Metal Chest Tier 1A
      • Metal Chest Tier 2A
      • Metal Chest Tier 3A
      • Metal Shield Tier 1A
      • Metal Shield Tier 2A
      • Metal Shield Tier 3A
      • Golden Chest Tier 1B
      • Golden Chest Tier 2B
      • Golden Chest Tier 3B
      • Golden Shield Tier 1B
      • Golden Shield Tier 2B
      • Golden Shield Tier 3B

    Current Discussion: Best Team Color Pattern for Helmets
    Current Discussion
    Help me determine which team colored version is the ideal to submit with my resources as an alternative options. Some ideas I have are:

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    Option A: half the helmet with team color.
    Option B: one half of each half with team color (2 quarters).
    Option C: one horizontal stripe at the bottom of the helmet.
    Option D: one horizontal stripe at the middle of the helmet.
    Option E: many slim vertical stripes.
    Option F: other suggestion?

    EDIT 1 (11-June-2016): seems that option B is the most demanded. For now all helms with TC will have this pattern.

    Any comment is welcomed. (Also you can do request regarding this set or models that would fit this set).

    Added test map so you can see most of the the attachments in action, with a simple Item System to use the models.
     

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    Last edited: Jun 13, 2016
  2. JesusHipster

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    I'd vote for A or B.

    Those shields are so legit btw.
     
  3. Direfury

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    I can't help but feel like the TC versions were inspired by my Templar Justicar.

    This makes me happy.
     
  4. SNIper of DARKness

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    Firstly I think team colour is essential on any attachment (depends on purpose) especially those that are destined to be used by more units. As most attachments are made for the Villager and he doesn't have any team colour I think it would be fit for at least the attachments to have colour. You have done so incredibly, for that I applaud you.

    Regarding the helmet team colour, I think B fits the best, though I also like D.
    A suggestion, maybe have different patterns for the armour as well as that was actually quite a thing. What I would suggest is a variation of type A on a chestplate.

    *As for the requests.

    -A shield with a christian red cross. Your tier 1 (http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/team-colored-shield-227458/?prev=u%3DAstaroth%2520Zion shield fits the best as it is more simplistic. Here are some cross designs:
    http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/large/801508.png This is one of the most used design as it was simple for a Crusader to paint it on his shield.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/49/fc/f5/49fcf5e3b1cfc3fe5a77ed2dfe57de84.jpg and http://kultofathena.com/images%5CCN926719_2_l.jpg The last two were the ones that were more inclined to the dedicated crusader or Templar like (not necessary those but you get the point that those are more carefully manufactured)

    -I think the cross should be team coloured, making it more useful.
    Your chestplate could also be fitted with a cross making your shit more useful. Reference:
    http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=19807543

    *Kettle Helmet
    As I mentioned earlier, the hive really lacks helmets that are actually practical and realistic, the kettle helmet is the best choice to start changing this.
    Reference:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/05-289a.png/250px-05-289a.png
    http://imgsrv.roll20.net/?src=vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/b/be/Kettle_hat.jpg/revision/latest%3Fcb%3D20130711082241
    http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1087h.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/45/fd/2c45fd1f8d0c5c42463e2ed28bdc70f9.jpg

    I have many more ideas and suggestions but I don't want to over burden you, so it will all be revealed in time...
     
  5. Astaroth Zion

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    Thanks JesusHipster, btw I also liked (TC variant B) the most. Let me know if you have ideas of more attachments that could fit in set.



    Indeed I draw inspiration from many things including your awesome models, such variety you have.
    To complete the set I was thinking to add some attchments on with the "Templar Theme", any suggestion in that sense?



    Thanks, also for the record I am planning to release most of the attachments with a Team Colored version in the portrait.

    Yeah B patters seems to be the best for the helmets.
    Regarding the chest plate, simple big patters like the "A" one are pretty simple to archive. If you need that variation let me know to upload it here, just to not spam the Model Section.


    I like the idea, I will add it to the "TO DO LIST". Create a Templar Cross variant for the shields and the chestplates (on both metal and golden versions) and in all the tiers.
    Again to avoid spam I will upload those special variants in this thread.


    I like the shape and theme of that "historically more accurate helmet", so it will be also added to the "TO DO LIST". BTW I just got one question, I like to have multiple tiers of each attachments to show a kind of progression in the gear of the character, however this model seems like a stand alone.
    My idea would be to upload a simple one (Metallic and TC as potrait) and another with the extra chainmail for the neck, what are your ideas about the Tier thing on this Kettle Helmet?
     
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  6. SNIper of DARKness

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    Yes, if you could give it to me please do, also what about my other points?
     
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    I have edited the last post, I think that I have answered your other question (request). Let me know if I missed something.
     
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    Look at my Justicar's helmet and armor style. That breastplate and helmet would be a great start.

    Look up other sorts of Great Helms with things such as Moose, Elk or Deer Horns, aswell as tusks and such.
     
  9. SNIper of DARKness

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    I wonder if this kind of system http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/replaceable-banner-278853/?prev=r%3D20%26page%3D3 could work on a shield.
    That would be extremely useful, I don't have a clue on how it actually works but if it is what I think it is, then it would be the greatest thing.
    An Example would be to remove the Footman's shield and replacing it with the new custom one and being able to have Factions like Holy Roman Empire, Kingdom of France and Italy fighting and each faction would have their banner on the shield.
    It doesn't sound that impressing but it is.
     
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  11. Astaroth Zion

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    I have never used replaceable textures (from destructibles), let me take a good look at that banner.

    Edit: seems that is just uploading a custom texture, then each person can replace it with the desired one...
     
  12. SNIper of DARKness

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    So In other words is it possible to have multiple shields in a game? And could you have multiple textures without heavily adding to the size?

    But of course the most important question is: Could you find the time or will to do it?
     
  13. SNIper of DARKness

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    I see that the Team Coloured Golden Plate is already planned, along with many other team coloured items so never mind what I said about the plate.

    Anyway could I perhaps request some sort of "Tabard"?
    Maybe you could make use of HerrDave's Crusader tabard. The majority of the Medieval Armies used them and would be a very useful addition.
    I for one could find many uses for it if it would be Team Coloured, there's quite a lack in the more soft armour like Mail and such, and quite an abundance of chestplates and steel armour suits, so even a Mail vest would do wonders.