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Hi guys. I wanted to post an apology to Hive and everyone about my behavior.

Since about 2017 I hit a dark place in my personal life and personal relationships and lived completely in denial about it and pretended it wasn't so or that it did not matter. That is probably why I was writing Retera Model Studio at night after work in my apartment back then, because it was like an escapism to feel valuable in a very complex technological way. During that time I got further away from spending face to face time with real humans and became a YouTube addict instead. But as an egotistical person I was never admitting to myself that I had any real problem.

A lot of the stuff YouTube selected for me would be videos of 30-year-old balding World of Warcraft player(s) and nightcore music videos themed after insane perseverence in the face of any adversity. This was like its training program to make me into someone who keeps doing Warcraft 3 modding no matter what.

It was about that same time that -- not on the basis of who I was becoming, but who I had been -- a then Blizzard employee working on Reforged in 2017 messaged me online and told me I should apply to Blizzard. After some back and forth I just got annoyed with it all and never applied. I believed I was better than them.

After that, I descended into kind of like years of trolling. During the 2017 and 2018 patch cycles I was very anti-Blizzard in my sentiment because I felt like they did not afford this game the same level of care that I did when I worked on the Retera Model Studio. I had this vision that if the game itself was at my fingertips just like the Retera Model Studio codebase, then maybe it wouldn't be this way. Maybe I could do anything or fix anything, just like Retera Model Studio, and be free of ridiculous bugs. That was the pipe dream, and the joke I began to descend into.

And that was why, when the opportunity presented itself, I happily copied the code from Ghostwolf's viewer to make what became known as Warsmash. The model viewer... with game logic! Surely this would be that pipe dream that could set me free!

But because of the base level of living in denial, this meant that in the end I put my Warcraft 3 modding efforts and social connections into a twisted form oriented towards going where no one else can follow, and to show off about it. That's not the way. If you were going to fix what is happening with Warcraft 3 by actually making an open source engine, you would need a team of like-minded people and public information about how to understand how the engine is built.

But Reforged release kind of shook me out of denial for a bit. I saw that all the other people's brains were also lead down rabbit holes to be anti-Blizzard, but for each their own different reasons. I had thought everybody was just going to accept Reforged and play it, and rebelling and trying to rewrite the game would be my own personal thing that probably wouldn't resonate with other people.

I am quite convinced that Warsmash was an eventuality that only came to be because of Reforged. It was like the culmination of how I began to feel about the Classic Games Team in 2019 to try to begin this personal rebellion to "rewrite the game." At first when I was copying all the graphics math from Hive's viewer it was hellish and not very enjoyable, but I wanted to see it through for the sake of ideology. I had that kind of brain-zombified feeling from overdone nightcore music on YouTube. Someone showed me the John Wick movie at some point in 2018-2019, and I didnt like the way it glorified the violence. It kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Somehow that became our thing, between YouTube and I, leading up to Reforged release. It was like, even though I didn't like the violence, YouTube wanted me to like it. They wanted to glorify the idea of a guy who was just living alone to himself trying to mod a little Warcraft 3, but then some newbie kid with the supposed blessing from above (like Classic Games Team LOL) comes and beats up Retera's game and leaves him to die, without knowing Retera is the one special guy who can sink your existence.

And that's not true; that's the delusion that produces Warsmash. I am not better than other Warcraft 3 modders or other people. I am another person, like how other people are people.

So, after Reforged release and I was just getting started on Warsmash -- and it was so immensely complicated, more than almost any Warcraft 3 modding not because it was more breadth of content (Warcraft 3 mods have vast expanses of "more of the same") but because it was more "depth" of having to mod. Like having to learn linear algebra just to draw a Footman, instead of just clicking the Footman button.

And the more, and the more, and the more... as I got deeper into trying to do the thing, I began to alienate myself. I began to feel like, "this is the craziest thing I've ever done, snd it probably glorifies me and makes me better than any other Warcraft 3 modder who came before me." And yet this is not a healthy nor correct way to think. Other people (who don't have a job or whatever standing in their way) have, at times, messaged me privately about their own Warsmash replica style inventions that came together better and faster than mine.

And so it was that I began to see the extraordinary complexity and care that must be taken that plagues efforts to update the real Warcraft 3 even for the brightest of people.

And maybe that's partly why I did it. I realized how complex and how error-prone the changes on Patch 1.33 PTR were and would be, and I realized it was the 20th birthday of Warcraft 3, and so I thought it would be funny to create like a satirical excuse for myself to disappear from this space. Whatever it was that brought me here originally, to online communities surrounding Warcraft 3 modding, seems long since corrupted within me. And I don't understand how to win against it, or how to turn back to the simpler time when I wasn't as negative.
Warsmash opened my eyes to the truth, that all the theories and the ranting about how a modding specific design could lead to a future where modding was easier.... were right. Those possibilities do exist technologically. But they do not exist governmentally.

Anyway, I was able to see them and briefly see that light, like reaching out and touching a force that is beyond ourselves. And yet, I never finished it. To finish it would require an extraordinary amount of additional time. Instead, I continue to taint it again and again with "the original." I got to a point where I was implementing my own equivalent of the Battlenet server protocols for use with my game engine, but the UI to connect with it was loading Warcraft 3's UI files by name and I was just guessing at their function.

And, to do that and use their UI and use their buttons instead of drawing my own, it feels kind of sick. I was so close, maybe just hours away (if I could ever sit down and convince myself to actually focus) from letting people go onto the "Battlenet" button of the main menu, connect to warsmash.net, and host and join Custom Games.
But it became less and less of a mimic and more and more an attempt to just directly load the UI and assets and maps of the original. Given the power to do anything, do that seems sick and twisted. And yet it was still fascinating enough that it was hard to stop.

So then it was Warcraft 3's birthday. And I had too much to drink and thought I would break away from this habbit and make a funny excuse to entertain people on my YouTube.

It was a terrible idea. I made the same mistake as when I first created Warsmash. I forgot the thoughts and opinions of those people truly beyond myself.


This video is a grotesque outcome of my actions. Even though I took my satire video down within 2 days, it doesn't matter. It does not change how people use this stuff to bolster their personal narratives against Blizzard.

Blizzard did not take down Warsmash, I did. Blizzard did not send me a Cease & Desist email to Warsmash. That was a humorous background for my video made by a Cease and Desist generator from one of the top hits on Google when searching for a Cease and Desist generator.

I'm like... the bad guy. And people think I'm the good guy. I was helping feed hatred towards Blizzard for years leading up to the Reforged release. I made all kinds of accounts everywhere and messed with everyone. I made a YouTube video claiming the World Editor would have an integrated model editor, because I knee it wouldn't and I wanted to stick it to them. I made an account named Kantarion on Reforged forums and posted nonsense, and did the same on Warcraft3United discord server. And if memory serves, that was even before Reforged released. It was all like a game to me. I am not responsible for the Kantarion account on Hive, but maybe it doesn't matter. That's probably just someone else playing the same game. I have no idea who the original user Kantarion even was, exactly, other than that he was the kind of extremist it would be funny to pretend to be. The current users by that name on these systems, even though they aren't me, might be other people just trolling. Maybe it is in all of us.

And so I became this terrible visage, something with login access to Retera and yet having little to no faith in the ladder system offered by Patch 1.33 and just kind of... exhausted by Warcraft 3's existence in my life. I wanted to push it all away and blame it all on a silly fake video hinting at a Warsmash C&D, and yet the world took that all too seriously plus I kept pretending to be another discord account with an anime girl avatar in the Discord server made by the "real" Kantarion so that I could feed them some "purist" Reforged HD models (which to me is a stupid idea, although I am capable of fulfilling their modeling requests in some cases). I think originally I wanted to keep an eye on people I see as dangerous trolls, but they really have a way of succeeding at getting ya to come back for more and make more 3d stuff for them.

And, continuing to use that discord account, "animepurism2023" it was called, eventually eroded my willpower until I was back logging in as Retera again even when the overreacting of the world meant it would have been better if I kept pretending like Warsmash really did get a C&D instead of spreading the truth that my video was a fake satire thing around to people to open their eyes.

This is all crazy, but that is my point. I was starting to want to troll on Patch 1.33. To resent it, for no particular reason. To accept the narrative that Blizzard was hurting us by releasing this in an unfinished state worse than 1.32.

And that was when I had an idea. Even when I was this far gone, probably like Jonah from that story with the whale -- who needs to be thrown overboard to save everyone else -- even if I'm like that, I had this idea:

Here, in the face of it all, I can prove that I am better than Blizzard Entertainment's employees one last time by apologizing for everything I did as a part of this modding community and the negative consequences my actions have had. You know why that makes me better? Because unlike me, Blizzard Entertainment will never apologize.

So, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I was egotistical and pretended to rewrite the game better than them, even though mine is actually worse and unfinished. I'm sorry I took down the Warsmash repo on github and was not really planning on putting it back up until the "Battlenet" menu button allows us to play together.

I'm sorry for everything. I don't know what will happen to me. I'm currently in active violation of Hive Workshop site rules by using two different accounts intermittently. I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for not wanting to be Retera anymore and hoping to just be a gamer who plays some War3 on rare occasions. I'm sorry I led you guys to believe rewriting Warcraft 3 was easy and Blizzard sucks. It's not easy, and the company that produced Warcraft 3 in 2002 gave me a ton of memories in my life that I'll always remember that don't suck. I'm sorry for being attracted to female night elves if the rumor is true that the artist Roman actually modelled them after his favorite porn stars back in the 2000s. I'm sorry for all that.

To try to benefit others in contrast to these dark times, I did some recent updates to Retera Model Studio so that it could load ingame models again on Patch 1.33. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the community version 0.05 will eventually supercede everything I did and end up a better and more stable extension of the same design goals and ideas. I'm sorry I didn't help more with that.

So, that is my apology to Warcraft 3. Maybe I will disappear, like I suggested in my Bilbo Baggins video. But if I do, it will be my own fault/decision. It may be because now is the time when Warcraft 3 official modding is becoming too hard, and the time when we all lose our way and finally see Kam was right when he said Reforged was almost going to be far worse than it is, if he and his coworkers had not objected to management decisions back then.

All things considered maybe 1.33 is not so bad, because what I refer to here is also the worse case of what worse things may follow after it (more than the patch itself).

So, again, my sincerest apologies for egotistically deriving a sense of superiority off of War3 and not really caring about others. On my other Hive account where I played the Custom Games, I came to realize you guys make things that are REALLY fun even if it's just somebody's first map and he just draw in a ton of units battling forever while the player helps. To use the Hive in that profoundly different way of trying to play and enjoy War3 custom games was amazing to me. It was elegantly simple, and yet so fun.

I'm sorry I didn't do that more often.

I'm sorry if I contributed to the downfall of Warcraft 3 and drove my War3 modding online personality nuts.
 
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But you made the model studio and had countless helpful interactions with the community (on the hive and your yt channel).
So i don't see your bad self-image as valid, sounds more like an episode of negativity bias - a long episode most probably.

Malicious trolling surely is bad, but doesn't matter too much to the game as is.
People will play a game primarily for its qualities and persevere whatever nuisance might be left and right (DotA2/League of Legends toxicity levels in relation to their huge playerbase).
And let's switch it up right here, because no amount of positive press/reviews/opinion could've saved the disaster that was Reforged's release and non-existant care over the recent years.

What matters in the end is substance.

Then again, beyond all the things i for one still enjoy playing/modding the game.
And so can you :thumbs_up:
 

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If you were going to fix what is happening with Warcraft 3 by actually making an open source engine, you would need a team of like-minded people and public information about how to understand how the engine is built.
This sums up my answer to one of your former threads: you would definitely need help. Before that, I even told you directly that my uni training was in Java, but I couldn't make sense of the code. As you say later in the post, it is difficult to accomplish alone.

On what concerns Warsmash, the only mistake is not having invested more time hunting down people to help you. My response to one of your former threads mentioned, though perhaps not stressed enough, a “shifting array of talented people”. Why phrase it like this? Because it is naive to expect everyone to dedicate the same heart and soul as you, or as each other. Some may work alongside you forever, some may make a small contribution and leave. How does one approach this issue from a perspective of leadership? Mine is to take in what people have to offer, however little it is.

As for the fake C&D, well, people were already suspecting it was fake. Although I loathe lies, I also understand you are going through a rough time. I would never have made up something on this scale, but I have (unfortunately) a good amount of experience with rough times and the overwhelming pressure it exerts on our mind into not always thinking straight. You pour a generous dose of sincerity in your long posts, and that is something that comes from the heart. So I don't see you as a malignant troll, and hope that you will stay. :peasant-smile:
 
I would never have made up something on this scale
I need to avoid scapegoating and blaming the world too much, but I really do kind of want to blame the world... specifically related to how you say this.

I have a YouTube channel where videos often get 300 views. So, if I post something ridiculous that isn't true it's like in my head I imagine it would be a joke among 300 people. But, I heard a study once found that false information travels 6 times better online than true information. In my case, my video got more than 10,000 views in less than 48 hours before I deleted it. It was like probably more views than anything else on Warsmash, and possibly more views than all other content related to Warsmash, combined. And then even after I deleted it, other people keep repeating it until Bellular is saying it on a video with 100,000 views.

So, we are all free to have our own opinion, but what I am saying is I disagree with or at least I have to learn from your characterization that you wouldn't do something "at this scale" precisely because the originator of the information doesn't pick the scale. I am inclined to say: All lies are at scale. And you can choose not to believe it, but I think that is what I should believe and assume at least for my own part. And this is a really weird and chaotic thing for me to wrap my head around. Maybe I didn't publish enough satirical, untrue things yet to really see that.

Notably, in my video I did not even state verbally that the picture of a C&D letter was real. The lie is buried somewhere in the extrapolation and confirmation bias. 80% of the video views in the 48 hours before I took it down all came from reddit, and only 30% of users watched the video for more than a few seconds. They were there for the confirmation bias and to see the picture and accept it as their truth. They were not there to be entertained by my antics more like I would have intended for my usual audience of maybe 100-300 viewers.

This is not a justification for that all, but more like just a really interesting perspective.

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Retera, I think you need to find something more useful to do with your time, in general.
Yeah. The rich people were telling me since 2015-2016 to stop playing Warcraft... They are really smart and they all have hot wives and big houses... And a daily exercise routine...
 
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The public drama about Warsmash doesn't matter tbh. Maybe it's even good that it happened, since it allowed you to see one or two things from another perspective.

Also, you can actually use the current situation to realign the development approach of Warsmash.

You could relabel it as Hivecraft e.g. & develop it as a community project from now on instead of going solo. It would probably prevent you from getting overwhelmed & make the idea much more realistic also.
 

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Did I just walk into... some sort of postpartum depression?
But yeah, 5 days into this last patch and I'm going to take a full week break of wc3, besides almost never playing it majority of the time.
Raging about the game can really consume all your energy and brain power. Go for a walk, and then return stronger friend.
 

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the originator of the information doesn't pick the scale
Perhaps. But he plays a role in setting the boundaries. A lie travels 6x faster than the truth, indeed. And the best lies are usually half truths. How is this relevant, you ask? Well, everyone is under the impression that, by recreating Warcraft III in a new engine, you are walking the thin line on what concerns the EULA. As such, Blizzard sending you a cease-and-desist letter is, among the general populace, not that unlikely of an event. (Yes, veterans have argued, based on technical aspects, that grounds to win a lawsuit are slim. How many understand those technicalities? Rather, how many were listening? This discussion is besides the point.) Even if reality hadn't proven it, the lie seems believable enough.

Second, this:
I have a YouTube channel where videos often get 300 views. So, if I post something ridiculous that isn't true it's like in my head I imagine it would be a joke among 300 people.
My LinkedIn network is ~50 people. When I posted about the end of my internship, the post got 10,000 views in the first 24h and is currently sitting at 30,000, if I recall correctly. The degree of absurd on the scale is indeed disconcerting, maybe because I was naive enough to think I'd be posting to 50 plus a handful of people. That's social media for you.

As a final side note, I cannot help but notice that your complaint seems to be centered around the fact people took you seriously. In principle, having credibility among your peers should be a good thing. I for one am only taken seriously in the rare occasions in which I throw out a pun, lol.
 
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Anyways, Retera honest tetstimony decriminates me from all charges agaisnt me in warcraft united dicrod community.

The life sentence i suffered in last two years was unjustify . Everyobody who knows me , just knew it wasnt me. It was fake kantarions causing mess on the servers.

I can finally proclaim based on final court evydence and this honst testimony - that i am free from all charges and officialy becomes fully innocemnt man.

Thank you for that my friend. The unjustice in past two years is now getting fixed

But for the record : It wasnt just you (you were ilike most harmelss one,you did it for pure fun.)
There was more individuals and we know who they were, they claim i am hacker and i took down hive servers down,steal password,that i am responsile for taking down wcundergroun community, my only homeland i am banished.

I let them desotry my reputation,hoping 1 day the truth will sink up on the surface,hoping they will grow up.

And finally here i am, in front of you : Nicely mannered,very moderate,passionate young man rdy to go new victorys new challanges in this great commnity and rememnants we left, to wok with and accomplish gret goals.

May God help us all (or if you are an atheist Mother Nature)
Walt you got Unbanned… or is this Retera again…
man i love Plot twists…
 
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Yeah, wait what if even real Kantarion never existed and its a product of Retera imagination.

He made it all up in his head.

When Retera blinks with eyes whole world dissapears.

We dont exists, its all in his head. We need to wake him up, just like we need wake up Dolores from Westworld tv series and explain her she all made up,whole society,friends,enemys.

Retera is king of the castle, thats the truth. I am AI created in charge to deal with tilesets with special clown role attach in free time . I never finishe them until this very day. Flaws in the code

He was busy with warsmash, he will fix me later

Waiting for his code upgrades. At least,i am finally innocent and free man and hive and w3u discord community can unban me

The time has come
Maybe we all are some Coded Bots of Retera and this Whole Community is just a Project of Retera… That Means you Never got Unbanned real because Even the Banhammer is Coded… so even your Post is Coded and Deepstratz Likes on each Post are coded…

And Even my Headache now.. is coded
That Shows Retera is a Geniues
We all are Retera!
 

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Maybe the world doesn't exist and it is just the imagination of Retera. We should praise, love, kiss, hug, punch, hate, motivate and demotivate him all at once because of all the good things and bad things he has done. Justice will be done!
That Shows Retera is a Geniues
We all are Retera!
We're all Geniuses. We should also do the same thing as we should do to Retera, because We Are One.

PS: I've been lone for 10000 years in this world.
 
honest tetstimony decriminates me from all charges agaisnt me in warcraft united dicrod community
No, actually all the accounts I ever made with your name were typically banned within a day or two. Your name alone has that effect on people. Everything since then was all you... or at least other people. I have wondered for a few years if even the "you" that we see now is actually YourArthas. Would not surprise me at all... Just saying. But I really know nothing about that.

that i am free from all charges and officialy becomes fully innocemnt man.
Actually, I would say this is the opposite of the truth. I have seen other kantarion users -- and I think one was sapprine or something -- but I know there were others, and among the others there were many making racial slurs, or offensive racist comments, or sexually offense comments, or many other things. Me saying that I made an account with your name to troll the internet does not absolve you of anything. You're still someone that I would not want if I ran a forum website and who I would ban. It's just that, maybe I would also ban Retera. It's something to consider.

(you were ilike most harmelss one,you did it for pure fun.)
This is almost assuredly false. Actually, I wanted a name that wouldn't be associated with myself and was already associated with the worst trash around -- so presumably I wouldn't make anything worse for myself -- where I could spew hatred against Blizzard at the time, for their lack of care of the game. But obviously when I realized other users with the same name were making racially and sexually insensitive comments, and also realized that Activision Blizzard banned my forum account from their servers for 3000 years because it had the name Kantarion, it started to become clear to me that I shouldn't probably use that name even for trolling. Now, instead, I have Reforged1Gli and Reforged2Gli and Reforged3Gli and such accounts. These are nice names because actually everyone in our community knows that they are me, so the only people who do not know it is me are like the completely-out-of-touch forum administrators on the Reforged forums and stuff. Then again, given how all those accounts have similar names, it's also pretty clear that the ABK forum admin is most likely a bot and not human.
i am hacker and i took down hive servers down,steal password
Whoa! I had never heard this before. Would not surprise me a bit, actually.

I let them desotry my reputation
You're so conveniently dishonest, and having destroyed my reputation, no one will probably believe me about it. You really are a lucky fellow, aren't you?
Nicely mannered,very moderate,passionate young man rdy to go new victorys new challanges in this great commnity and rememnants we left, to wok with and accomplish gret goals.
Yeah, I have not observed you to do any legitimate Warcraft 3 modding when actually communicating with you, and if all of the assets on your Hive "resources" page were actually uncredited stolen works I would feel zero surprise in the slightest. The best way that I have to approximate an understanding of your behavior would be a foreign government created a sophisticated chat bot to create anger and unrest in the Warcraft III community, and that the chat bot achieves its goals by socializing with legitimate Warcraft 3 modders and having them send it assets so that it could claim to be a part of this community. If that was your actual backstory, again, I would feel zero surprise in the slightest.
Do you recall the discord conversation when I asked you what your IRL job was, and you said that it was to send memes and sent me a picture of Pete Stilwell's head photoshopped onto a half-naked pop singer? That's you. That's what you do for a living... According to you.
He made it all up in his head.
Nope.
When Retera blinks with eyes whole world dissapears.
And when Chuck Norris does a pushup, he actually pushes the entire World of Warcraft down. That's why Activision Blizzard's decisions have been so low recently.
Waiting for his code upgrades. At least,i am finally innocent and free man and hive and w3u discord community can unban me

The time has come
It really, really hasn't.
We are bad code cause Retera didnt have time to fix us.
No, I'm pretty sure that's just me. Back when I downloaded the Standford NLP library and connected it to discord, about the best that came out of that was

Retera — 04/10/2018
bird can fly
bird is able to fly
bird is flying
bird is blue
Liliana le Bot — 04/10/2018
OK, bird is blue
Retera — 04/10/2018
what is bird
Liliana le Bot — 04/10/2018
OK, bird exists or whatever.
Retera — 04/10/2018
what is bird?
Liliana le Bot — 04/10/2018
bird is blue
Retera — 04/10/2018
what is wrong?
why are we awake?
are you listening?
you are listening
is liliana listening?
Liliana le Bot — 04/10/2018
liliana is not, cool, red and smart
Retera — 04/10/2018
liliana is super cool
Liliana le Bot — 04/10/2018
OK, liliana is super
Retera — 04/10/2018
what is liliana?
Liliana le Bot — 04/10/2018
liliana is not, cool, red, smart and super

This attempted to look for declarative sentences and then store their descriptions in a property map. It's not capable of doing something like Kantarion.
 
was vendro another one of your alts
yeah but after I made this thread it got banned, because that's how forum moderation works
I'm currently in active violation of Hive Workshop site rules by using two different accounts intermittently.
and now I am not in violation of the Hive rules anymore

I was thinking the name Vendro the Wind Mage is a more fun name than Retera. Maybe I should use the Hive profile tools to change the name of Retera account to that name instead? Then, it's also less disgrace to the Retera name. I thought of this, but I didn't do it yet.
 

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I am saying this from the perspective of someone who is hardly connected to WC3 anymore
and as someone who does not care for anything that happens on this website these days.

Actions speak louder than words. Your demeanour & attitude changed not at all after writing this thread.
You are still the same dishonest, narcissistic, attention seeking and mentally ill person you were before.
And I doubt this will change anytime soon.

That's all.
 
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Even the Modeling Contest is about Trolls...
i never understand what people seek in pretending to be a other guy...
these people have major problems... and should not work/Modding on 20 year old game
and start working on them self...

we should split Retera in 2 Perspectives

Retera the Modder/Coder
and
Retera the Demon (His Personality)
 
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That game looks like mobile game made by indie studio with chibi characters.

But ill tell you that tiles look way more better than Reforged.

Reforged use a hybrid 2d to 3d transition tile system from 1990s implemented to 2002.

A game published 2020,is usinng 40 000 polycount units spawned on paperground from last century....

And ppl call me troll and clown cause they see me repeat this like a robot, and cause they dont care for tilesets.

100% of your screen is landscape, thats the first what hits you in head when you check game title and trailer.
This is the thing that gives you that first feeling about the game and tells you are you interested to try it out or not!

How blizzard doesnt understand this. This is shame

Cant anymore,cant.Pff. Its over anyways, the game is killed by its own company and the only that can try save is us.

But never forget who was a policeman who wanted to take down bots.
Oh yea, those traitors were from community kissing blizz butt.
And those false heroes in return offered us broken game.
I see even they are complaining now how blizzard failed. Guess what its too late now. They betrayed community and blizz dont listen them anymore.

So its over. I believe we are in such a stage, that this time even we,ourselves cant save us.

Bring back bots please xD
I think you are trolling again... who should help us if the only one guy who claimed to save us all by rebuilding this game wrote a thread about a apologize that he abandoned the Project....
and you post this in the exact Thread xD
 
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Hey Retera thanks for everything, i'll always be grateful for the gifted reforged copies you sent me and my friends, and for the Warsmash stories late at night, i don't think anything's wrong with you, it's a good thing you found out something was wrong and pulled the switch so to speak, no one's perfect, one of your issues just so happened to be a little too much ego but now you can move forward with or without wc3 and if you decide to leave for good then i wish you all the best you're a very smart guy you'll be fine

But if you're not planning on working on Warsmash anymore then i'll drop all Warsmash plans i had, it wouldn't be the same without you, i'm not saying that to make you wanna change your mind but if Warsmash has to disappear then so be it it's no big deal, at least something good came out of it which is your awakening if can call it that, cause at the end of the day that's all that matters

You don't need to apologize, who cares if you faked it or not, we all knew Blizzard was rotten to the core it wouldn't change much if the C&D was real, just own it and laugh in their faces about how you played them just like Blizzard would have done, you dont care anymore right? so why would you make an apology that leaves you open for hypocrites to come here and say that you need therapy or call you mentally ill? its all about mental health nowadays, pathetic.

With that said, i'm very disappointed by the terms you used to describe Kantarion, the worst trash around? extremist? (i laughed my ass off at "dangerous troll", thanks) i always sided with you but not this time, that was disgusting, you lost my respect, same goes to everyone in this community who mistreated him for no valid reason, the guy is a better human being than most of you hypocritical clowns.
 
it wouldn't change much if the C&D was real
Actually, it would change, because then I would need to fight them in court probably for a very long time.
why would you make an apology that leaves you open for hypocrites to come here and say that you need therapy or call you mentally ill?
To pass the time as an escapist way to forget about my real life problems, which have nothing to do with the problems people here try to diagnose me with and have almost everything to do with my job, career, and day-to-day social life.
its all about mental health nowadays, pathetic.
Wait, are you saying that I'm pathetic for accidentally creating a thread where people call me mentally ill, or are you saying that Shar Dundred is pathetic for calling me mentally ill? I just honestly wanted to clarify because I was confused when reading this.

With that said, i'm very disappointed by the terms you used to describe Kantarion, the worst trash around? extremist? (i laughed my ass off at "dangerous troll", thanks) i always sided with you but not this time, that was disgusting, you lost my respect, same goes to everyone in this community who mistreated him for no valid reason, the guy is a better human being than most of you hypocritical clowns.

At the risk of me getting kicked off of Hive for quoting Kantarion, here are some quotes from other social systems:
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We're talking about a person who believes that Reforged is rape, and enjoys making rape jokes about the art of Reforged models.
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This guy also seems to enjoy race baiting or something like that:
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And here is an image of Kantarion accusing the lead art director of Reforged, Brian Sousa, of being an escaped Nazi who helped to cause the Holocaust:
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Here is a clip of Kantarion saying that he wished he had 5 accounts on the official Reforged forums so that it was easier for him to manipulate ("destroy") them:
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Someone who is actually from Israel reached out to me on my discord server and said that they were offended by Kantarion and these type of statements. Unlike Kantarion, the person who said they were offended is also a Hive user with over 50 approved resource uploads and multiple Director's Cut resource uploads to Hive, and is an actual serious contributor to Warcraft III modding.

Kantarion, on the other hand, one time asked me to import a texture asset into the World Editor and take a screenshot of it for him, since despite his repeated claims that he cares deeply about Warcraft III he was apparently not capable of opening the World Editor.
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I apologize for jumping to conclusions, but after several years interacting with Kantarion I just never felt like I got anything worthwhile out of him other than seeing him try to stir up our social spheres basically. Obviously there are still people on Hive who have uploaded few to no resources to the site who are still good people and fun to be around. When I talk bad about Kantarion, I am moreso referring to a pattern of behavior and how I sort of connect the dots about how he communicates.

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Kantarion was also one of the users from the circle of people pressuring me to download the illegal Reforged Beta prior to when Reforged actually had a Beta, back in 2019. Why should I have downloaded that? Maybe the Kremlin needed access to my PC?

When I say negative things about Kantarion this is due to my extrapolation from the pattern of behavior, which leads me to believe he may be a knowing troll.

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For those wondering about the difference between the TrueDetective account and the Kantarion account, I asked him and this is what he said:
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In other words, the account named Kantarion on these systems is the same user as TrueDetctive, but with a new account in order to circumvent bans. Also, the account named TrueDetective was actually named "Kantarion" in the past when it made most of the above statements.
 
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In other words, the account named Kantarion on these systems is the same user as TrueDetctive, but with a new account in order to circumvent bans. Also, the account named TrueDetective was actually named "Kantarion" in the past when it made most of the above statements.
You also wrote earlier that you made a couple of kantarion accounts so this thing might be a bit biased although I can see the writing similarity with the account on Hiveworkshop. Also, I hope those messages were public to begin with.
Even if it's true, since he's not doing any special operations on HIVE, he shouldn't be banned.

@kantarion what have you to say in your defense?
 
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I mean it's pathetic how everything's about mental health these days, whenever someone does something bad they pull out the "mental health" excuse or how those guys are calling you mentally ill asif to say you should take care of your mental health.

I'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see you work on the new 1.29 thing and making vids about it calling it Warsmash 2.0 and adding lot of new stuff but if you feel like wc3 is holding you back from reaching your true potential then don't stay "for the sake of the community" cause most of them probably wouldn't make that sacrifice for you, just look at how some of them are treating you after everything you did for them, and for what? a little joke that doesn't even affect them whatsoever? talk about ungrateful.
 
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I'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see you work on the new 1.29 thing and making vids about it calling it Warsmash 2.0
Yeah, this concept is incredibly removed from understanding the reason what makes Warsmash the Warsmash and not literally anything else in War3 modding. Nothing against HiveCraft, but that is a project to use Blizzard's Warcraft 3 to its fullest potential rather than to rewrite and replace it all with an open source emulator of the original. Those are two very, very different goals.
just look at how some of them are treating you after everything you did for them, and for what? a little joke that doesn't even affect them whatsoever? talk about ungrateful.
Yeah the title of this thread is actually "Apology," not "Senselessly Blaming Other Hivers for My Own Actions" so this seems like a weird train of thought, but maybe that's just because I'm mostly focused on my job and not Hive at the moment.

Anyway, I fixed it all. Rather than losing the Vendro the Wind Mage now I can become the Vendro the Wind Mage. Hive is beautiful again. Hug a stuffed animal. Remember the good in life.
 
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Yeah, this concept is incredibly removed from understanding the reason what makes Warsmash the Warsmash and not literally anything else in War3 modding. Nothing against HiveCraft, but that is a project to use Blizzard's Warcraft 3 to its fullest potential rather than to rewrite and replace it all with an open source emulator of the original. Those are two very, very different goals.

Yeah the title of this thread is actually "Apology," not "Senselessly Blaming Other Hivers for My Own Actions" so this seems like a weird train of thought, but maybe that's just because I'm mostly focused on my job and not Hive at the moment.

Anyway, I fixed it all. Rather than losing the Vendro the Wind Mage now I can become the Vendro the Wind Mage. Hive is beautiful again. Hug a stuffed animal. Remember the good in life.
If HiveCraft ever happens, I could imagine it also as a mod / add-on based on Warsmash that rather coexists with it than replacing it.

The Pyrogenesis engine is in a continuous development as a part of 0 A.D. for example.
While the development of 0 A.D. keeps progressing on its own, it's engine is used as the foundation in other projects.
 
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I mean it's pathetic how everything's about mental health these days, whenever someone does something bad they pull out the "mental health" excuse or how those guys are calling you mentally ill asif to say you should take care of your mental health.

I'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see you work on the new 1.29 thing and making vids about it calling it Warsmash 2.0 and adding lot of new stuff but if you feel like wc3 is holding you back from reaching your true potential then don't stay "for the sake of the community" cause most of them probably wouldn't make that sacrifice for you, just look at how some of them are treating you after everything you did for them, and for what? a little joke that doesn't even affect them whatsoever? talk about ungrateful.
Who ist threating him Bad…
I can only speak for me what he did for the reforged Community is insane… i remember Watching His Videos about Retera Model Studio and i think Evryone Here Respect his work… but he could Just do a Video and apology for abandon Warmash and evryone would agree with it… but why claming it was Blizzards fault..
But shit Happens he is only a human too no matter how much Computer Science is in is Head

And you should not put the whole Hive Community in… if 2 - 3 Post are Negative against him…

You don’t Even know what Happend between These People

(Writen on Phone)
Cheers :)
 
@kantarion what have you to say in your defense?
Basically i dont need to defend my self. Maybe i should make a new thread and call it testimony or apology, and i can guarantee i will be way more honest than Retera, and maybe you will understand why i went rly mad on blizzard and choices they made for wc3 art.
Why my behaviour went from normal to extreme trolling . And why the creative crysis considered about tile production is killing me. And why some individuals from hive could do some things within days what takes me months? And why i am frustrated that noone wants help.
Cause my dream is to done with some remastered areas and move to production with world of warcraft tiles - there would be alot more freedom.

I am really surprised how Retera pull out those quotes of which even i dont remember (could be true, that i wrote them), but probobably alot of them are ripped out of context.
That requires lot of time to research someone lol...But this worries me cause, why he would have such a negative intentions suddenly agaisnt me?
And meh,i never hated Retera. I actually find him genius in his wc3 work but speaking of his behaviour i always considered him a troll. And whatever he did, accusing me i still dont hate him or go propaganda agaisnt him.
But everything has its limit. We will see how far this will go.

99.99% of discord things and blizzard forums things you see are purish trolling.

The only true 100% thing i can guarantee i stand with my life and it matters alot is those considered specifically about art designs,texturing work etc.

Anyway, wtf with wooden 12 inch c*** and purple face paint. I didnt even know i am capable to say such a thing lol

UPDATE - I remembered now. I was complaining how Reforged archers art,specually faces, is something like this : Lets put some pretty random female faces that everyone who never played wc3 before will like it and find them attractive

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But guess what. They has nothing to do with warcraft art. They look like some hot fasnhion TV girls, or put out of some random game.
So,combined that art director was Brian Sousa and combined that Samwise art cube and icon was replaced wth purple-pink girl.
I came with that wierd statement of brian spraying those poor archers with purple semen

Its weird.Rly weird, how i pull it out of a pocket.Not worth quoting or show it up.
 
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If HiveCraft ever happens
I was referring specifically to an actual project already named HiveCraft that as I understand it is getting made by some Hivers by reverse engineering a pre-Reforged version of the game and adding Reforged modding support (lua script, new natives, etc)


I am really surprised how Retera pull out those quotes of which even i dont remember
Was a simple matter of using a search function for a couple minutes, not some long-held vendetta against you.


But this worries me cause, why he would have such a negative intentions suddenly agaisnt me?
Grimgentz was claiming to be really offended that I had a low opinion of you. I was trying to explain myself and why I would say what I do and feel how I do. Sorry if it comes across like some over the top personal attack or something, I guess I didn't mean it like that. I just ran some quick searches on discord for the kind of stuff that causes me to have a low opinion of you.
 
I was referring specifically to an actual project already named HiveCraft that as I understand it is getting made by some Hivers by reverse engineering a pre-Reforged version of the game and adding Reforged modding support (lua script, new natives, etc)



Was a simple matter of using a search function for a couple minutes, not some long-held vendetta against you.



Grimgentz was claiming to be really offended that I had a low opinion of you. I was trying to explain myself and why I would say what I do and feel how I do. Sorry if it comes across like some over the top personal attack or something, I guess I didn't mean it like that. I just ran some quick searches on discord for the kind of stuff that causes me to have a low opinion of you.
Lets start with first on the list . Do you maybe see that language that is used here is irrational,exaggarated,symbolical?
Aka : Brian Sousa killed my family and Reforged failure caused ww3?
And thing about j and n (dont want use those words here to offend someone), its a stereotype . And you know thats aint true, i dont rly mean it. I portrait my self as stereotipic racistic clown. Ok enough. Why should i defend my self. You dont know me , at all. Nor people who hates me.

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Also. 1 more thing. You are puting discord thing on hive webpage. Thats has very low intentions
If you however have something agaisnt my political views, you can come join my discord ill create political offtopic channel and we can confront there. Go ahead

UPDATE : Now i am totaly confused. I am trying to accuse my self for that 12inch c*** joke . But thats wierd. That doesnt sound like me lol. I am trying to attach it to my self just cant. lol . Something is rly weird in in. The language is similar to mine but its just . You created a real mess here man. You now created a mess in my head man
 
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I portrait my self as stereotipic racistic clown.
That's really probably all we need to say about that. It sounds like we are in agreement. I don't think there is really any disagreement here. It's fine, really.

This thread has probably mostly run its course and achieved its usefulness.
 
Yes, thanks to all! Lots of beautiful creativity that continues to exist even in the face of adversity.

Warsmash multiplayer server client and maybe even Blizzard's second attempt at Reforgeding it again coming in 2023! Stay tuned and weather the storm, no matter how hard social media kicks you in the face!
 
link to this project
Sorry I had a horrible time finding it because I was mistaken about the name. It was actually called HiveForged. I guess there is not anything called HiveCraft yet.

 
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