akaka's TDs and Minigames

[Moderator]

11:26, 30th Mar 2014
Orcnet: The map has a good source of addition of tower defense feature, instead of waiting for an incoming wave you can actually click the enemy spawn and kill it by clicking it many times till it dies.

Although it can be a pain on the fingers, this map is approved as acceptable.

 

[PlankingWolf]

By the screenshots, it looks pretty awesome.
I wish I had Warcraft, so I can play this!
I think I'm gonna rate this by 4/5.

 

[Shadow Fury]

By the screenshots, it looks pretty awesome.
I wish I had Warcraft, so I can play this!
I think I'm gonna rate this by 4/5.

Not to be aggressive, but I don't get why rating a map if you didn't even play it. You do not know if this map is great or if it has bugs. You cannot tell from the screenshots how much should a map get.

 

[Krazykid]

Not to be aggressive, but I don't get why rating a map if you didn't even play it. You do not know if this map is great or if it has bugs. You cannot tell from the screenshots how much should a map get.

Thank you for the 4/5 but hes right. you cant just decide like that. Also ive tested this map over hundreds of times, im dead sure there are no bugs.

 

[Mech_Warrior]

Hey Akaka, aka Krazykid,

Wow, this map looks VERY promising! It's very fun from what I can tell. I've played it solo a few times now. Here's my initial feedback.

First, I'll get the minor bugs/other issues out of the way. I noticed during the chest minigame that coins rarely spawn on the cliff where they are not able to be collected. Also I am able to cast the Open Chest ability on the evil chests when they spawn; it mini-stuns them but otherwise has no effect. One other minor thing to note is that when I got the chest opening mini-game for a second time in a row, there were initially double chests on the map. I opened them both, and it only respawned one of them, so it's not a huge deal, but still. Not sure if any of these things are intended, but thought I'd report them anyway.

Additionally, I was playing on Noob Level (since I was testing solo and new to the game), but I noticed that one of the waves in Level 2 spawned with full HP, as though I was playing on the hardest difficulty. This wave royally screwed me over, needless to say, I ended up leaking a full wave + the boss because I didn't notice they were full HP at first.

One other minor suggestion before I get to the main review: how long is the item drop range? I think for the purposes of this map it might be best to set it to the max value, so that you can easily switch items between towers/your stash/etc. I'm not sure if this was intentional but you don't seem to be able to drop items on the ground at all. It seemed a bit weird, and ended up costing me time.

Okay, now for the main part.

Wow, this map is really well made, and tons of fun. The mini-games after every boss wave are always a blast, although I question the wisdom of having pvp mini-games in a teamed game. It seems to me the best strategy for the snipers mini-game would be to intentionally sit still and kill each other over and over for maxed income gain for all players. Anyway, that's just an aside; overall the mini-game execution is flawless and lots of fun.

The waves themselves are well made, but my main complaint is that there might not be enough time between them. Maybe that's not the main problem, actually. I just felt like the whole game was rushing from one thing to another, with never any moment to catch your breath. I actually have a suggestion for that, although I'm not sure how implementation would work precisely. I think that the team should get x number of "Timeouts." When someone takes a Timeout, they get, say, 45 seconds where the enemies are paused but invulnerable, all spawn timers are paused, and they can take time to try different gem combinations, for instance, or maybe take a minute to read some tooltips to plan out a strategy for items/towers/etc. The problem with the click damage mechanic is that it forces the player to be constantly active in the game, particularly with little time between spawns. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it can make new players feel overwhelmed and frustrated when then don't have any idea what to do and there's no time to think. Just a suggestion though.

The different difficulty levels and movement rates are a great idea, it allows players of all levels to enjoy the map. I might suggest making another option for how long the timer is between waves; it's really up to you, because I think what you have right now suffices, but more customizing options for the player is almost always better.

Overall the balance felt fine, barring the one wave where my enemies were full HP on Noob mode (which I assume was a bug, and not a mechanic). The terrain was satisfactory, particularly for using blizzard default cliffs. I did notice that the towers appear to be able to be built anywhere, but in reality, can only be built on the higher ground. Just a minor aesthetics issue.

Oh, one more minor comment is you might want to make the builder Undead race, and give it the ability to Summon. I got confused a few times because I accidentally ordered my builder to stop constructing. It's just more convenient for this kind of game to have Undead summoning instead of Human building imo. Also if you could add a -zoom xxxx feature for the camera setting, I'd love that too. The camera's default setting in your map isn't too bad, but it couldn't hurt to have it.

Aside from that... I'd say in general this map has tons of promise. Keep developing the map, it's very fun and actually quite unique, in a genre (TDs) where most everything has been done 10x over. Good work!

Mech

Edit: Forgot to add, 5/5 rating for now; even though it's not perfect, it rounds up imo.

 

[Krazykid]

Hey Akaka, aka Krazykid,

Wow, this map looks VERY promising! It's very fun from what I can tell. I've played it solo a few times now. Here's my initial feedback.

First, I'll get the minor bugs/other issues out of the way. I noticed during the chest minigame that coins rarely spawn on the cliff where they are not able to be collected. Also I am able to cast the Open Chest ability on the evil chests when they spawn; it mini-stuns them but otherwise has no effect. One other minor thing to note is that when I got the chest opening mini-game for a second time in a row, there were initially double chests on the map. I opened them both, and it only respawned one of them, so it's not a huge deal, but still. Not sure if any of these things are intended, but thought I'd report them anyway.

Additionally, I was playing on Noob Level (since I was testing solo and new to the game), but I noticed that one of the waves in Level 2 spawned with full HP, as though I was playing on the hardest difficulty. This wave royally screwed me over, needless to say, I ended up leaking a full wave + the boss because I didn't notice they were full HP at first.

One other minor suggestion before I get to the main review: how long is the item drop range? I think for the purposes of this map it might be best to set it to the max value, so that you can easily switch items between towers/your stash/etc. I'm not sure if this was intentional but you don't seem to be able to drop items on the ground at all. It seemed a bit weird, and ended up costing me time.

Okay, now for the main part.

Wow, this map is really well made, and tons of fun. The mini-games after every boss wave are always a blast, although I question the wisdom of having pvp mini-games in a teamed game. It seems to me the best strategy for the snipers mini-game would be to intentionally sit still and kill each other over and over for maxed income gain for all players. Anyway, that's just an aside; overall the mini-game execution is flawless and lots of fun.

The waves themselves are well made, but my main complaint is that there might not be enough time between them. Maybe that's not the main problem, actually. I just felt like the whole game was rushing from one thing to another, with never any moment to catch your breath. I actually have a suggestion for that, although I'm not sure how implementation would work precisely. I think that the team should get x number of "Timeouts." When someone takes a Timeout, they get, say, 45 seconds where the enemies are paused but invulnerable, all spawn timers are paused, and they can take time to try different gem combinations, for instance, or maybe take a minute to read some tooltips to plan out a strategy for items/towers/etc. The problem with the click damage mechanic is that it forces the player to be constantly active in the game, particularly with little time between spawns. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it can make new players feel overwhelmed and frustrated when then don't have any idea what to do and there's no time to think. Just a suggestion though.

The different difficulty levels and movement rates are a great idea, it allows players of all levels to enjoy the map. I might suggest making another option for how long the timer is between waves; it's really up to you, because I think what you have right now suffices, but more customizing options for the player is almost always better.

Overall the balance felt fine, barring the one wave where my enemies were full HP on Noob mode (which I assume was a bug, and not a mechanic). The terrain was satisfactory, particularly for using blizzard default cliffs. I did notice that the towers appear to be able to be built anywhere, but in reality, can only be built on the higher ground. Just a minor aesthetics issue.

Oh, one more minor comment is you might want to make the builder Undead race, and give it the ability to Summon. I got confused a few times because I accidentally ordered my builder to stop constructing. It's just more convenient for this kind of game to have Undead summoning instead of Human building imo. Also if you could add a -zoom xxxx feature for the camera setting, I'd love that too. The camera's default setting in your map isn't too bad, but it couldn't hurt to have it.

Aside from that... I'd say in general this map has tons of promise. Keep developing the map, it's very fun and actually quite unique, in a genre (TDs) where most everything has been done 10x over. Good work!

Mech

Edit: Forgot to add, 5/5 rating for now; even though it's not perfect, it rounds up imo.

Thank you so much , ill be sure to implement and fix everything you told and asked about because it seems fair, also i made it so you cant drop them on the ground. you can only switch the gem from one tower to the other i thought it would be annoying if you accidently drop it on the ground and someone takes it from you. Im not sure if ill make a option for a timer but i can make it so when one wave ends it give you some time before the next wave.
Edit: Yea i thought about the menu for time between waves, im doing that. seems better. it will take some time.
Edit2: i dont think ill change the builder, its not really a big problem, because when a tower is finished builder it tells you "example tower has finished construction"
Edit 3: i just updated the map, about the PvP minigame, yea ik i should remove it, but i need a good idea for a replacement. any thoughts?

 

[Krazykid]

The map is UPDATED!!
Edit2: i updated the map again where i replaced the pvp minigame with somthing else.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Don't double post, please add another way of playing/combat/gameplay for people who want to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome.

 

[PlankingWolf]

Thank you for the 4/5 but hes right. you cant just decide like that. Also ive tested this map over hundreds of times, im dead sure there are no bugs.

Yeah, sorry. But, I'm leaving the rating there. Looks pretty fun though!

 

[Krazykid]

Don't double post, please add another way of playing/combat/gameplay for people who want to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome.

Done deal, ill make a towers only mode.

 

[Shadow Fury]

A fine TD, not good and not bad. I didn't reach the end because I got bored. Here is my review:-

- Terrain isn't your strong point I see, it was inconveniently flat in the mini-games parts and sometimes you used one tile only. In Frosty's minigame, for example, it would've been better if you made the terrain hilly. Also, the tile variation wasn't used well at all and using blizzard's cliffs is very risky as they look ugly
- ALL custom icons turn green when I pause the game (critical error, see how to fix that in suggestions)
- Minigames are boooooring! They last too much and they aren't really amusing
- Waves are unbalanced! The creeps which regenerate health are obviously harder to kill than those who don't. So when I found a wave with regenerating units, it was hard to kill all creeps while the next wave was soooo simple
- It gets tiresome staying active all the time without having a second to rest in or to take a little breath
- Waves spawn too quickly

SUGGESTIONS:-
- Your terrain needs to be improved, read some tutorials. For now, I can tell you NOT to use one tile for any minigame and to add more decorative doodads
- For the problem of the icons, go to the Import Manager, make sure you imported the DISBTN of ALL icons and remove the war3mapImported from them and replace it with ReplaceableTextures\CommandButtonsDisabled
That will fix the problem
- You have 2 option for the waves:-
1- Increase the time between each wave
2- Wait until all creeps are dead to send the next wave
- Minigames should last less and should also have a music theme. I mean, try to imitate Skibi, its minigames are cool, funny and don't last too much
- To balance the waves, you have 3 options:-
1- Lessen the HP of regenerating units
2- Lessen the regenerating creeps e.g from 10 to 6
3- Lessen the life regeneration of these units

OVERALL RESULT:-
To finish my review, I think this TD is good but it lacks of many things. I'll give it 2.5/5, rate 3 BUT vote for REJECTION due to the critical issue of icons

 

[Krazykid]

A fine TD, not good and not bad. I didn't reach the end because I got bored. Here is my review:-

- Terrain isn't your strong point I see, it was inconveniently flat in the mini-games parts and sometimes you used one tile only. In Frosty's minigame, for example, it would've been better if you made the terrain hilly. Also, the tile variation wasn't used well at all and using blizzard's cliffs is very risky as they look ugly
- ALL custom icons turn green when I pause the game (critical error, see how to fix that in suggestions)
- Minigames are boooooring! They last too much and they aren't really amusing
- Waves are unbalanced! The creeps which regenerate health are obviously harder to kill than those who don't. So when I found a wave with regenerating units, it was hard to kill all creeps while the next wave was soooo simple
- It gets tiresome staying active all the time without having a second to rest in or to take a little breath
- Waves spawn too quickly

SUGGESTIONS:-
- Your terrain needs to be improved, read some tutorials. For now, I can tell you NOT to use one tile for any minigame and to add more decorative doodads
- For the problem of the icons, go to the Import Manager, make sure you imported the DISBTN of ALL icons and remove the war3mapImported from them and replace it with ReplaceableTextures\CommandButtonsDisabled
That will fix the problem
- You have 2 option for the waves:-
1- Increase the time between each wave
2- Wait until all creeps are dead to send the next wave
- Minigames should last less and should also have a music theme. I mean, try to imitate Skibi, its minigames are cool, funny and don't last too much
- To balance the waves, you have 3 options:-
1- Lessen the HP of regenerating units
2- Lessen the regenerating creeps e.g from 10 to 6
3- Lessen the life regeneration of these units

OVERALL RESULT:-
To finish my review, I think this TD is good but it lacks of many things. I'll give it 2.5/5, rate 3 BUT vote for REJECTION due to the critical issue of icons

!!!UPDATED!!! i fixed everything you asked about, please review again ?
Edit 2 : also on next update "version 1.05" i will be adding a towers only mode its gonna take a little bit more but its almost done.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

I vote for approval, won't give you a rating though. It's a good map, hope you improve it. Will have to play again when its complete.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Due to the updates, I raise my vote to 3/5 (vote not rating)
HOWEVER, I found more issues while playing it again
- Freezing orb's icon turns green
- Minigames still last too much and they get boring
- The minigame of the elementals where I can use teleport has one issue. When I respawn, I am surrounded by clusters of monsters which kill me immediately. I suggest you to make the unit invulnerable for a second or two when I respawn
- The minigame that needs me to kill the "Ugly Things" has one mistake. After the minigame ends, the ugly things still remain. "What's wrong?" you might ask. The problem is that when I click them when the minigame ends, I can damage them and gain gold
- MOST CRUCIAL! I can build two towers in one place. That's really disappointing. I guess it's caused because in the Object Editor, the "Pathing - Placement Prevented By" for all towers is nothing. You need to tick "Buildable"

One last thing! Make the builder "Undead" so he can summon buildings and not build them
Look, I don't like to vote for rejection, but your map in this state can't get my vote for approval because of the towers' issue (graver than the one of the icons). So, I'll wait your next update. For now, I'll neither vote for approval, nor for rejection.

 

[Krazykid]

Due to the updates, I raise my vote to 3/5 (vote not rating)
HOWEVER, I found more issues while playing it again
- Freezing orb's icon turns green
- Minigames still last too much and they get boring
- The minigame of the elementals where I can use teleport has one issue. When I respawn, I am surrounded by clusters of monsters which kill me immediately. I suggest you to make the unit invulnerable for a second or two when I respawn
- The minigame that needs me to kill the "Ugly Things" has one mistake. After the minigame ends, the ugly things still remain. "What's wrong?" you might ask. The problem is that when I click them when the minigame ends, I can damage them and gain gold
- MOST CRUCIAL! I can build two towers in one place. That's really disappointing. I guess it's caused because in the Object Editor, the "Pathing - Placement Prevented By" for all towers is nothing. You need to tick "Buildable"

One last thing! Make the builder "Undead" so he can summon buildings and not build them
Look, I don't like to vote for rejection, but your map in this state can't get my vote for approval because of the towers' issue (graver than the one of the icons). So, I'll wait your next update. For now, I'll neither vote for approval, nor for rejection.

UPDATED!!!!!!! version 1.05 which adds many features. and even if i do make the builder undead, because all the tower models are custom models, the summoning animation wont work.
UPDATE 2! made 1 fix and 1 change. fixed a issue with the magic tower in "towers mode" and balanced bosses as i noticed it was too hard to kill bosses on "towers mode"

 

[Shadow Fury]

UPDATED!!!!!!! version 1.05 which adds many features. and even if i do make the builder undead, because all the tower models are custom models, the summoning animation wont work.

PERFECT! Gonna test it again. I guess this time I will vote for approval. And for the builder, it doesn't matter if they don't have the summoning animation. Many TDs have the builder undead but the towers without summoning animation. It's not wrong to do that.

 

[Shadow Fury]

After having tested it again, I'm glad to raise my vote to 3.5/5 and give my vote for APPROVAL!
The major and crucial have been fixed. There are still minor issues like unfitting icons and the evil chests that don't damage me but they'll not stop me from voting for approval.

 

[Krazykid]

After having tested it again, I'm glad to raise my vote to 3.5/5 and give my vote for APPROVAL!
The major and crucial have been fixed. There are still minor issues like unfitting icons and the evil chests that don't damage me but they'll not stop me from voting for approval.

you should think twice before thinking the evil chest is supposed to damage you, it takes your gold every time it hits you,,, dont judge too quickly

 

[Shadow Fury]

you should think twice before thinking the evil chest is supposed to damage you, it takes your gold every time it hits you,,, dont judge too quickly

Now things are clearer

 

[IcemanBo]

Hi, because of conversation of chat yesterday I thought to test this map.

I didnt test everything and I dont have too much time for full review but I try to figure out some main points:
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+ I like main idea to combine tower attacks with mouse clicks

+ Minigames are cool addition to gameplay

+ Many settings are chooseable

- Memory leaks (everything like: "Center of Region" or "Random Unit from Unit Group" leaks)
I know I told you alrdy, but it's still important for me to mention it. - http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/things-leak-35124/

Sugesations:

I would like to see more specific variations of waves. Like unique unit types which do something special.

Create some quest logs, where you explain your game and give proper credits.

Something like a "-next wave" command would be cool, in case you want rush.

Use a timer window to indicate arrival of next wave.
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All in all it's a fun game but still with some potential to improvement I guess.

I know you ve put much effort into it. If you fixed at least major memory leaks I vote for approval, but for now I vote for Rejection. - Just because of partially high ineffiecency in triggering and memory leaks.

Still gameplay was ok for me so my rating is 3/5 +2rep atm. I really suggest you to read 2 tutorials. One link I gave you above and other one you find in my signature under "links" - GUI-Tutorial.

 

[Krazykid]

Hi, because of conversation of chat yesterday I thought to test this map.

I didnt test everything and I dont have too much time for full review but I try to figure out some main points:
________________________

+ I like main idea to combine tower attacks with mouse clicks

+ Minigames are cool addition to gameplay

+ Many settings are chooseable

- Memory leaks (everything like: "Center of Region" or "Random Unit from Unit Group" leaks)
I know I told you alrdy, but it's still important for me to mention it. - http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/things-leak-35124/

Sugesations:

I would like to see more specific variations of waves. Like unique unit types which do something special.

Create some quest logs, where you explain your game and give proper credits.

Something like a "-next wave" command would be cool, in case you want rush.

Use a timer window to indicate arrival of next wave.
________________________

All in all it's a fun game but still with some potential to improvement I guess.

I know you ve put much effort into it. If you fixed at least major memory leaks I vote for approval, but for now I vote for Rejection. - Just because of partially high ineffiecency in triggering and memory leaks.

Still gameplay was ok for me so my rating is 3/5 +2rep atm. I really suggest you to read 2 tutorials. One link I gave you above and other one you find in my signature under "links" - GUI-Tutorial.

Fixed almost all the leaks , also im not sure about the -nextwave command..

 

[IcemanBo]

I checked more than half of these huge amount of triggers, and no single leak was fixed in any of them.

I don't know what you changed, but you leak all locations, effects, unit groups. (in triggers Ive checked)

If a trigger is rarely fired, or only once, then a leak is not very important, because you wont feel any difference. But if a trigger fires very often in the game it should be leakless.

Read Things That Leak again, if you have problems problems with implementation post your not working code here, and people will help you.

 

[Krazykid]

I checked more than half of these huge amount of triggers, and no single leak was fixed in any of them.

I don't know what you changed, but you leak all locations, effects, unit groups. (in triggers Ive checked)

If a trigger is rarely fired, or only once, then a leak is not very important, because you wont feel any difference. But if a trigger fires very often in the game it should be leakless.

Read Things That Leak again, if you have problems problems with implementation post your not working code here, and people will help you.

Im going threw EACH trigger now, to see what i did wrong.

 

[Uyarrr]

I played and i liked minigames much . Great job. 4/5

 

[Assassins-Creed]

Suggestions:
Remove cheats.
Change the model of the bouncing level 3 elemental, massing him causes lag.
Make it so that in tower mode gold is shared among people.
Make the waves spawn faster in tower mode.

 

[Krazykid]

Suggestions:
Remove cheats.
Change the model of the bouncing level 3 elemental, massing him causes lag.
Make it so that in tower mode gold is shared among people.
Make the waves spawn faster in tower mode.

UPDATED!. also for the waves problem, there is an option to choose how long you want waves to wait.i dont see why you want it faster than 10 seconds per wave

 

[IcemanBo]

I know it is a lot of work, especially when map is almost finishen and you have to clearn memory leaks in all triggers again.

You made lot of fixes now I see alrdy and thats nice.

But there is also a need to say whats wrong:

"RandomUnit from Units in Region" also leaks unit group.

"Random Point in Region" also leaks location.

And now the biggest mistake. You may have bugged gameplay because you are working wrong with waits.

I give you an example how it's wrong and how it's right.

wrong Set Point = Centre of Region Unit - Create Unit at Point Wait - Wait 2 seconds Unit - Create Unit at Point Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Point)

correct Set Point = Centre of Region Unit - Create Unit at Point Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Point) Wait - Wait 2 seconds Set Point = Centre of Region Unit - Create Unit at Point Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Point)

So, as you can see I clean leak before the wait, and re-set Point after the wait again.

This is needed, otherwise this "Point" variable may get overwritten during these "Wait 2 seconds". So if an other trigger also uses this "Point" variable --> game bug + leak.

I'm not writing this all to try to get convince mod to reject your map, it should help you to get it approved. Have a nice day.

 

[Krazykid]

I know it is a lot of work, especially when map is almost finishen and you have to clearn memory leaks in all triggers again.

You made lot of fixes now I see alrdy and thats nice.

But there is also a need to say whats wrong:

"RandomUnit from Units in Region" also leaks unit group.

"Random Point in Region" also leaks location.

And now the biggest mistake. You may have bugged gameplay because you are working wrong with waits.

I give you an example how it's wrong and how it's right.

wrong Set Point = Centre of Region Unit - Create Unit at Point Wait - Wait 2 seconds Unit - Create Unit at Point Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Point)

correct Set Point = Centre of Region Unit - Create Unit at Point Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Point) Wait - Wait 2 seconds Set Point = Centre of Region Unit - Create Unit at Point Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Point)

So, as you can see I clean leak before the wait, and re-set Point after the wait again.

This is needed, otherwise this "Point" variable may get overwritten during these "Wait 2 seconds". So if an other trigger also uses this "Point" variable --> game bug + leak.

I'm not writing this all to try to get convince mod to reject your map, it should help you to get it approved. Have a nice day.

Updated, fixed the problem with the waits

 

[ItzaSheep]

Click Tower Defense

After playing this last night, I can tell how much effort you put in this.

We only played battle mode, but i can assume that the other modes are practically just as polished as that mode. Everything ran smoothly, and there were only a few bugs here and there. The minigames look promising and from what I've read from the other post, they are as good as they look. So aside from the tooltip problem, and the one or two bugs we saw last game (which you can fix really easily), this game fufills its purpose as a td. 5/5

 

[Krazykid]

After playing this last night, I can tell how much effort you put in this.

We only played battle mode, but i can assume that the other modes are practically just as polished as that mode. Everything ran smoothly, and there were only a few bugs here and there. The minigames look promising and from what I've read from the other post, they are as good as they look. So aside from the tooltip problem, and the one or two bugs we saw last game (which you can fix really easily), this game fufills its purpose as a td. 5/5

Thank you

 

[IcemanBo]

Still leaks. I feel trolled opening your map once again after the sentence "fixed"... and still find tons of leaks.

I will show you some once again:

- Display lives (should be fixed: groups, locations)
- Check for winner (unit group)
- all Unit move triggers (locations)
- all Kill unit triggers (unit groups, locations)
- all your "Check" triggers (unit group, location)
- all player-leave triggers (but not importent here)

So. I only found these in your 1st folder. There are maybe 40-50 more trigger folder and I bet that I would find many more if I would also look there.

What I must say bothers me the most is the highly inefficiency of your trigger style. You really can save a lot of time if you would learn some more coding.
If a map has so many triggers and stuff as yours have, it might be very important.

Here is the maybe worst point I recognized:

"Pick Random Unit From UnitGroup"

This is maybe always redundant for you as I could see.
1. it leaks a unit group each time --> bad
2. random unit from unitgroup --> bad²

I would hardly recommend to learn better to work with variables, it would save a lot of work for you.. really :s

And for last, if you really need this function in a trigger (Random Unit From UnitGroup)... please at least fix the unit group leak.

 

[Krazykid]

Still leaks. I feel trolled opening your map once again after the sentence "fixed"... and still find tons of leaks.

I will show you some once again:

- Display lives (should be fixed: groups, locations)
- Check for winner (unit group)
- all Unit move triggers (locations)
- all Kill unit triggers (unit groups, locations)
- all your "Check" triggers (unit group, location)
- all player-leave triggers (but not importent here)

So. I only found these in your 1st folder. There are maybe 40-50 more trigger folder and I bet that I would find many more if I would also look there.

What I must say bothers me the most is the highly inefficiency of your trigger style. You really can save a lot of time if you would learn some more coding.
If a map has so many triggers and stuff as yours have, it might be very important.

Here is the maybe worst point I recognized:

"Pick Random Unit From UnitGroup"

This is maybe always redundant for you as I could see.
1. it leaks a unit group each time --> bad
2. random unit from unitgroup --> bad²

I would hardly recommend to learn better to work with variables, it would save a lot of work for you.. really :s

And for last, if you really need this function in a trigger (Random Unit From UnitGroup)... please at least fix the unit group leak.

Icemanbo the thing is i honestly wish i knew about vars/leaks when i started this map, the new map im working on will not dissapoint, it is really hard to fix these leaks at this point. so i will leave it as it is. beacause other maps are alot worse and they have more leaks yet some of them still get accepted. im sure it shouldint be a problem. But my new map im working on will not dissapoint.

 

[eubz]

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: eubz Map Name: Click TowerDefense/Wars (V. 3.04) Map Author: akaka Map Uploader: Krazykid Originality I have played so many tower defense map but this one has its own style. Clicking each of the creeps aside from building towers is a good idea.This made this map scored 80% to me. Score: 80/100 Presentation Nicely presented except for the changelog which should be set off in a hidden tags Score: 60/100 Terrain Terrain is wisely made. It is somewhat more polished now. Score: 70/100 Triggers Nicely arranged and well organized aside from your checking of winners where you used waits. It is really better to use timer than waits. some trigger suggestions Instead of using thes line of actions: Check for winner Events Conditions Actions Game - Victory Player 1 (Red) (Show dialogs, Skip scores) Game - Victory Player 2 (Blue) (Show dialogs, Skip scores) Game - Victory Player 3 (Teal) (Show dialogs, Skip scores) Game - Victory Player 4 (Purple) (Show dialogs, Skip scores) Game - Victory Player 5 (Yellow) (Show dialogs, Skip scores) Game - Victory Player 6 (Orange) (Show dialogs, Skip scores) Else - Actions You can replace that with: Check for winner Events Conditions Actions Player Group - Pick every player in (All players matching (((Matching player) slot status) Equal to Is playing)) and do (Game - Victory (Picked player) (Show dialogs, Skip scores)) Else - Actions Score: 60/100 Object Data I think everthing is well organized here. All icons have been properly customized for custom ones. Nothing more I could say here but good job. Score: 65/100 Gameplay I like playing this map the game is really nice but at first I've asked myself, "What should I click?" then, I realised it should be the creeps. What the heck, I am dumb at first because there's nothing there to guide me what to do. Well, this is such a nice game and I am giving a special recommendation in this aspect. Score: 75/100 ★ Special Recommendation ★ Add in the quest some pointers on how to play the map because I for one did not know what to do when I played it at first. For as far the the triggering is concerned, I have only few suggestions and is already tackled up above. Final Score: 68.333/100 3/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[Krazykid]

Oh wow thank you, as i will most likely not be making any more updates to this, i need to start learning real programming, and i will start that after i finish a new map i am working on. So if there are any issues with this. i will fix it if it is somthing of great concern.

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved.

 

[Numrollen]

Hey Krazykid,

i also tested your map and it looks nice. I just play with 1-2 friends the first 2 options (click&toweronly) but we had a bug that waves didnt go on after a while (while i could build the canon tower). Would be sad to stop on this map.

Are you working on another TD map? Do you need some ideas? Some very good ideas are lost since the last 2-8 years, i played a lot of TD maps since ... i dont know

 

[IcemanBo]

I think triggers are just horrible and not only one of them can cause game bugs. Not to mention all the leaks and inefficiency in your triggers... but this doesnt seem to be important for approval.

Or maybe yes?

Efficient triggering: The triggering needs to be efficient and mostly leakless.

Your "Mammoth" trigger in "Spaning" folder may bug any game. You create creeps at a location which doesnt exist, because you removed it before.

And there are many other possible bugs because of wrong application with variables and waits.

Actually your map is cool and I also like it. But I just don't understand moderation sometimes, that's why I'm saying.

I think if triggering is a part of map rules, moderation should have some knowledge about it and check quickly through triggers for critical mistakes. (+ also have little weight in rating, if mod rated)

 

[Krazykid]

Hey Krazykid,

i also tested your map and it looks nice. I just play with 1-2 friends the first 2 options (click&toweronly) but we had a bug that waves didnt go on after a while (while i could build the canon tower). Would be sad to stop on this map.

Are you working on another TD map? Do you need some ideas? Some very good ideas are lost since the last 2-8 years, i played a lot of TD maps since ... i dont know

What is this bug you are talking about? can you explain it more?
EDIT!!!!: i found the bug, icemanboe is correct, that mammoth trigger was broken. it was a simple mistake. sorry about that

 

[Kazeon]

Map approved.

one comment: dude, this site is not a trash can

Efficient triggering:
The triggering needs to be efficient and mostly leakless.

 

[Krazykid]

one comment: dude, this site is not a trash can

And by efficient you mean leakless correct? did you look at the triggers? unless im blind i dont see very many leaks anymore, and even if there is, it is most likely nothing that can cause the game to crash or make it unplayable/unejoyable.

 

[Kazeon]

I was just reading other people's comments before. majority said your triggering sucks.. and the rule said:

Efficient triggering:
The triggering needs to be efficient and mostly leakless.

and I thrust IcemanBo enough because he is experienced coder..

EDIT:
if you don't want anybody to review about your triggering so I suggest you just protect the file

 

[Krazykid]

I was just reading other people's comments before. majority said your triggering sucks.. and the rule said:


and I thrust IcemanBo enough because he is experienced coder..

EDIT:
if you don't want anybody to review about your triggering so I suggest you just protect the file

Im not very good at protecting things xD but ill see what i can do.
Also icemanboe has not looked at more recent versions...

 

[Streak]

i take it back

 

[Krazykid]

very fun TD map 5/5

Thanks i really appreciate it

 

[polardude]

if you like to protect you map you can use 5.0wc3mapoptimizer you can dl it here
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=79326

 

[Krazykid]

if you like to protect you map you can use 5.0wc3mapoptimizer you can dl it here
http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=79326

No its ok

 

[forgottenmeat]

i will try it.

 

[grimdestruction]

Great Map!

I've never played a map with so much inside it. The minigames were fun, and the click for damage idea was very original.

What I liked the most was the UI there were so many options given to the host. A mode the people who don't like clicking, several difficulty levels and a mode if you only want to play the minigames.

 

[Krazykid]

glad you think so