Battle of Mount Hyjal

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Orcnet

21:04, 12th Nov 2013

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Battle of Mount Hyjal (Tested Version 1.1) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "The character selection and spell usage are well executed and easy to coupe with, somehow I was expecting you would use hero units than regular units because of how hero units enhances them with extra damage, armor, regeneration and attributes through customizing their cosmetics, still pretty good job working the units out as WoW look alike." Terrain "The idea of a longer ranged bird's eye view and mountain-like terrain gives out a different look on the game but somehow there are still some very tight spots especially the very first front line where you have to slash all the barricades to get near the fight if you are a melee or range I suggest expanding more ground to prevent tight edges." Management "Overall map can be useful, although I suggest you to make a quest menu explaining fields on how to play, character roles, credits, and change logs. Because of that users or people who are willing to play your newer map versions can understand the changes happening." Total Score: (Gameplay[x/5] + Terrain[x/5] + Management[x/5] / Total Score[15] * 50 + 50) Rate Score Percent Letter 9/15 80% C

 

[Gx_Requiem]

Reserved.

 

[bowser499]

This start deserves some good evolution I think.

 

[WolfFarkas]

not a review, just a sugestion:

that map is mount hyjal right?
i know it sounds really silly but as mount hyjal is sorrounded by earth maybe you can do that so, if you want a moun hyjal like wc3 and wow, nothing with to much work, but something that is sorrounded by earth and not water


but just a sugestion and even so the map quality have no relation on what i have stated.
so you dont need to do what i say neither

good luck
and see ya

 

[Daffa]

Looks promising, might check this later

 

[Gx_Requiem]

not a review, just a sugestion:

that map is mount hyjal right?
i know it sounds really silly but as mount hyjal is sorrounded by earth maybe you can do that so, if you want a moun hyjal like wc3 and wow, nothing with to much work, but something that is sorrounded by earth and not water


but just a sugestion and even so the map quality have no relation on what i have stated.
so you dont need to do what i say neither

good luck
and see ya

Thanks, yes I will add the terrain later, but its unimportant (i.e. not high on priorities), I posted this here to get feedback such as this. Thanks to both you and Daffa for commenting, +REP!

 

[Silverfox]

Hello, I've played your map and here is my short review. The map was fun, however it seems a little easy, because I was playing it with my brother only (2 players, Priest and Paladin) unless the difficulty automatically scales with the number of players, in that case, good job. I have a couple of suggestions:
1. I was unable to see who am I healing, because Player Classes are units which makes healing very unnaccurate, so try to make Classes Heroes.
2. Try to make, dying more WoW-like. A Spirit spawns at the Graveyard and it has to reach it's corpse to revive. Also try to make all Healer classes able to revive them, which saves valuable time.
3. Priests Insanity's Climax is waaay overpowered on bosses. If the Priest has full mana, while the boss has below 30000 HP it kills it instantly!

Conclusion: The map is very fun, except these minor problems. Good luck in your further map making.

 

[Gx_Requiem]

Hello, I've played your map and here is my short review. The map was fun, however it seems a little easy, because I was playing it with my brother only (2 players, Priest and Paladin) unless the difficulty automatically scales with the number of players, in that case, good job. I have a couple of suggestions:
1. I was unable to see who am I healing, because Player Classes are units which makes healing very unnaccurate, so try to make Classes Heroes.
2. Try to make, dying more WoW-like. A Spirit spawns at the Graveyard and it has to reach it's corpse to revive. Also try to make all Healer classes able to revive them, which saves valuable time.
3. Priests Insanity's Climax is waaay overpowered on bosses. If the Priest has full mana, while the boss has below 30000 HP it kills it instantly!

Conclusion: The map is very fun, except these minor problems. Good luck in your further map making.

Thanks for trying, to reply to your issues:
1. The point of units as Player Classes was as balancing. Heroes are notoriously difficult to balance across maps (YES maps, I am planning for more maps with the same Player Classes), and I apologize for the difficulty in healing. I have tried with heroes, but I prefer using units. Perhaps I can add macro-usage in the future (i.e. entering Chat String 'Greater Heal/Warrior' makes the Priest use the 2nd ability, Greater Heal on the Warrior, although this would require the players to use 3rd party macro programs for this to function, or perhaps typing '2 warr' for the Priest to use the 2nd skill (Greater Heal) on the Warrior.

2. Spirits corpse-running and reviving once they reach their corpse? Interesting. The main point of dying is that your death (especially as a tank/healer) would cause a wipe. I will eventually add some death counter system that makes you eligible for loot drops to be used across games, who knows...

3. Yeah, but I rationalize with this: A Priest with 0 mana for a few seconds (especially on 5-man, with no other healers) usually spells a wipe from all the AoE stuff flying around. Of course Paladin/Priest combo is (IMO) quite imbalanced 2-man because the bosses are triggered to target 5 players randomly with spells, so 2-man makes them 'miss' 3/5 of abilities. Also, the map isn't balanced according to players, but I intend a 'Heroic Mode' soon with increased health, damage, more abilities and whatnot to bosses and perhaps normal mobs too.

That said, I thank you again for your comments, +REP!

P.S. <3 Worms.

 

[Druu]

I remember trying a WoW like map back in the days and to solve the healing problem, the guy had 2 heroes slots which were F2 and F3 where F2 was lowest hero and F3 second lowest, that helped the healer to know the health level and was also possible to target them in order to heal them. Maybe you could make something like that, if you hit F2 for exemple for the lowest guy you do "Greater Healing" and for F3 it's just a "Lesser Healing"

That's my suggestion to you, you take it or not

 

[Paliouras]

Seems interesting.One question:
Can you play this map singleplayer?

 

[Gx_Requiem]

Seems interesting.One question:
Can you play this map singleplayer?

Unfortunately, no. I test this with friends on Garena. I'm sorry, but a minimum of two players is required for this particular map.

 

[Paliouras]

Any chance to make ai for singleplayer?

 

[Gx_Requiem]

Any chance to make ai for singleplayer?

Ah. This would be extremely difficult, as I do not have any jass/vjass knowledge (GUI ftw). I could plausibly do a simple AI, eventually, though. Thanks for suggesting.

 

[Paliouras]

I am playing solo the game so far and have defeated Winterchill and Anatheron as a dk.I have enough sustain with my death coil and vampirism/unholy frenzy and have no problem surviving.The only problem are banshees because they debuff me.

Edit:Finished the map playing Dk.Archimonde was hard but managed to kill him dying only 1 time.So you indeed can solo the map.

So here is my review:
Terrain :3.5/5 Terrain was pretty good.But wasn't the well undewrneath the world tree?
Gameplay:3/5 You recreated the WoW classes very well.But there was no epic loot from bosses and became pretty boring after some waves.Frost Wyrms were very annoying - getting hit once and you are dead.Also the Death Knight seemed overpowered as you said I cant solo but death knight had enough damage and defense.Also it was boring having same spells all map.Bosses were pretty good having triggered spells and custom models.
Note:There were no Victory/Defense conditions.
Final Rating:3/5

 

[Gx_Requiem]

I am playing solo the game so far and have defeated Winterchill and Anatheron as a dk.I have enough sustain with my death coil and vampirism/unholy frenzy and have no problem surviving.The only problem are banshees because they debuff me.

Edit:Finished the map playing Dk.Archimonde was hard but managed to kill him dying only 1 time.So you indeed can solo the map.

So here is my review:
Terrain :3.5/5 Terrain was pretty good.But wasn't the well undewrneath the world tree?
Gameplay:3/5 You recreated the WoW classes very well.But there was no epic loot from bosses and became pretty boring after some waves.Frost Wyrms were very annoying - getting hit once and you are dead.Also the Death Knight seemed overpowered as you said I cant solo but death knight had enough damage and defense.Also it was boring having same spells all map.Bosses were pretty good having triggered spells and custom models.
Note:There were no Victory/Defense conditions.
Final Rating:3/5

Well, nice one soloing the map. Problem is, I've triggered the boss spells to target 5 different targets, so in 1P, only 20% of the spells they cast actually have effect :/ Perhaps Death Knight was a tad OP?

 

[Paliouras]

He is op because the more guys the better the sustain.Also the attackspeed buff with vampirism is overpowered because with one hit i get more hp than a 5runed death coil.So maybe try nerfing dk.

 

[Weng]

Played the map.

My suggestion

1)

→ Removes ALL regeneration for players.
→ Druid should be the main-healer.
→ More damage for Hunter
→ Lesser damage for paladin but increases the hit point (You can also make it the hero who only have hp regeneration)
→ Buff spell for druid and magic spell for mage.

All the suggestions above will make the game more strategy and cooperation needed. Make them only their features, not something almost the same.

"I'll do what you can't do, and you'll do what I can't do"

Make it something like this )

2) Decreases all of the value, instead of these imba value, just lower it, i can't even see my hp.

3) Always something special in every waves: don't do so much waves if you don't have idea anymore, people are not prefer to play a long games with always samething.

4) More enemies that cast spell, PS: BOSS. Don't make it just attack, let it cast!

5) Use floating texts: Casted spell name, player name above every player units.

6) Use Multiboard: Tell me the game-time, Player kills, dies and dps log, currently waves number.

7) Give some punishment for dying?

Bug found

1) Hunter can nonstop gain mana with spamming S(Stop) while combat.

2) I can walk to the bottom of the map, fix the pathing.

Gameplay
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I will increase this if you do my first suggestion.

Terrain
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It should need more work, but i think this map is more focus of gameplay, so this issue can be ignored, but also improve-able.

Management
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I'm surprised when i know this is your first map!

Overall Rating
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[polardude]

i fund a bug in your map

Hidden

i dont think is normal that you can come down here ;D


also a bug with your creeps they only go to jaina and back and that is it and they well keep doing that
and trueshot aura give + damage to melee units that is not normal

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved, see moderator comment on top.