Director's Cut Horror Project - Dualism

[maddeem]

Actually Ingame you can remove all path blockers and change the pathing through triggers.
If you have like 2000+ path blockers this would significantly reduce possible lag

 

[RiotZ]

I forgot to ask, how do you know it's DC if it's not released yet? .-.

 

[Sverkerman]

@maddeem
How would you go about doing it with triggers? ;P

@RiotZ
That is just based on my opinion, I think it deserves a DC.

@sonofjay
Thx m8.

 

[maddeem]

Sure, but it's gunna be messy.. lol
Oh...How? I misread that... Well
Ok

• RemovePathers
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Destructible - Pick every destructible in (Playable map area) and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Set D = (Picked destructible)
        • Set D_Type = (Destructible-type of (Picked destructible))
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • D_Type Equal to Pathing Blocker (Ground)
          • Then - Actions
            • Set Location = (Position of D)
            • Environment - Set terrain pathing at Location of type Walkability to Off
            • Destructible - Remove (Picked destructible)
            • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Location)
          • Else - Actions

 

[Sverkerman]

And this will reduce lagg? Dualism doesn't even lagg a tiny bit anyway...

 

[maddeem]

Yes it will reduce lag.

 

[Sverkerman]

Alright thanks maddeem! I'll have a look into it.

Also, +rep to all followers

 

[Jazztastic]

Yes it will reduce lag.

Using anything under the enviroment tab causes an unfixable leak

 

[Sverkerman]

So wait, it wont reduce lag?

 

[Jazztastic]

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing not. I'd ask Bribe of Maker, just post under GUI/Triggers

 

[shinji]

I can help you with triggering!!!!

 

[Jazztastic]

Btw when are we going to get our hands on the beta? I'm actually excited to see how this map pans out.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

He hopes somewhere in June, but said at the last update that it might be delayed.

 

[maddeem]

Using anything under the enviroment tab causes an unfixable leak

Destructables that wont be removed during the game cost more memory than anything in environment. Removing all pathing blockers would significantly increase the smoothness of a game. Saying that changing environmental pathing is a leak is like saying placing cliffs are leaks.
They are of course but 10,000 leaks is better than 10,000 dustructables.

 

[Sverkerman]

@Jazz is that true? ;P I want to go with the best solution.

 

[Jazztastic]

maddeem probably knows more about the subject then I do. Like I said I suggest asking Bribe of Pharoah_.

 

[Sverkerman]

Alright thanks both.

 

[xorkatoss]

I made a new update video today!

awesome progress dude!! you guys are really putting in the map everything you have!!;D

but there is a minor problem the vid, the fps was so low that we didn't actually get a good view at the terrain etc.

oh well good luck with the progress of Dualism and save often!!

 

[Sverkerman]

@xorkatoss
Thank you very much!

I kept the video 24 fps instead of 60 due to me wanting to just do a quick update. I'll make something more fancy after the beta is released.

It has gone 2 months since I started this project, this picture that I am about to show you is the first picture of Dualism that was ever taken. This picture is kind of emotional to me seeing how far we've actually come with this.

First Picture of Dualism

Also here is a update:
I just finished all the pathing for the HUGE forest part. It took me a very long time to do but it is now done.

To do list:
-Pathing for castle + all minor houses.
-Content for 60% of Dualism (triggering and all that good stuff)
-Release

 

[shinji]

Wow. I can't believe this HUGE project is already near to release. You have been working on this all day and every day, haven't you?? Great job.

 

[sonofjay]

I can still remember that Dualism and Project Ghost started together, shame that Project Ghost can't catch up on Dualism's release date due to almost all the people who said will help never really showed up I'm still pushing it though. Anyway congrats, on this achievement I hope you get what you expect.

 

[Hashjie]

By the way Adrian, you do realise that if each tree needs a pathing blocker you can simply change the pathing for the tree right ^.^?
No need to put pathing blockers in each tree...


Also, I was thinking: why not use fade filters or something alike to create hands?
As in seeing yourself holding a candle or seeing your hands move while you walk?

This has been done before...
Take a look at the gun filters of this game for example:
http://www.thehelper.net/threads/sharpshooter-online-map-of-the-week-2.92828/

 

[sonofjay]

@Hashjie

Do you realize that it will take lots of time to get those images to go realistic? Well its not that hard but it will cause some heavy lags if you try to make the hand movements smooth which increase the images count that is needed and you need to put a lot of time for it.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Well it wouldnt lag much for computer nowadays.
Take a look at Sharpshooter Online, never lags even on my old computer.
Also, it wouldnt be that hard since Shapshooter is unprotected, either that or the Demo.

 

[sonofjay]

@DJ, it doesn't lag since he reduced the frame rate of the images since smooth action = FPS drops , so it doesn't look that smooth, and its just a demo he said that he planned to put more weapons but he got more weapons to offer, but remove it from the map for the file size sake.

 

[xorkatoss]

Also, I was thinking: why not use fade filters or something alike to create hands?
As in seeing yourself holding a candle or seeing your hands move while you walk?

This has been done before...
Take a look at the gun filters of this game for example:
http://www.thehelper.net/threads/sharpshooter-online-map-of-the-week-2.92828/

ahh the Sharpshooter, what an epic map that was
+1 for the filter idea

 

[Hashjie]

@Hashjie

Do you realize that it will take lots of time to get those images to go realistic? Well its not that hard but it will cause some heavy lags if you try to make the hand movements smooth which increase the images count that is needed and you need to put a lot of time for it.

Yes it would take a lot of images, and lag can be prevented ofcourse...

How I would create so many images at once?
Create a 3d object, animate it, record it and cut it up into single images. Problem solved.

It would be quite some work to do it, but you'll even be abled to use high-end modelling programs that are used today by big companies.

I'm talking ofcourse about z-brush, mudbox, 3ds max, maya's, blender, basically you can use anything to create the hands + animation for this.
Just make sure that the canvas has a different color contrast then the model itself so that it's easy to cut it out in photoshop or any video editing programs that support single image convertion.

However, I heard something about day and night models making fade filters black or something?
I'd like to hear more from Sverkerman about this

 

[shinji]

Hmm... It looks like this project is going to take more that planned.

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Well maybe you could just crop out the Arms and the areas around it, then use the cam. The model would't collide so much with the cam, I think.

 

[shinji]

Fading filter is the best idea in my opinion.

 

[Hashjie]

Well maybe you could just crop out the Arms and the areas around it, then use the cam. The model would't collide so much with the cam, I think.

Erm I meant that you could create a model with animation and then use something like a "digital greenscreen" to cut out the animation (rendered into a movie).
(search for video chromakey removal tools)
An example:
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-chromakey-after-effects-255531/

After that all you have to do is make sure the movie file is converted to single images.
This way you can use the seperate images to create the fade filter.

What I am worried about however, is the size of the map when importing all these images...

I'm not talking about an actual model placed within the game.
(Allthough this might be a good alternative when done correctly)

 

[Sverkerman]

This idea has already crossed my mind and there is a problem preventing me from implanting it.

When using DayNightModels all fade filters becomes black. As far as I know there is no way around this unfortunately.

Thanks for the suggestion tho.

 

[shinji]

That's a problem.

 

[Sverkerman]

@shinji
Not at all, there are no problems at all with my project as of right now. Even if I knew a way around DayNightModels making all fade filters black I still wouldn't use it to make fade filter animations for the lantern and what not, it isn't really needed.


Also update time!

All pathing blockers has been placed! (over 3000, do not worry, it doesn't cause lagg!)
Today I've been working on the begining area of Dualism and by the end of today it will most likely be done!

 

[Kithraya]

That's a problem.

Rather not.

Fade filters are black, because... let's say, with enabled DNC script they are treated as models (actually, as textures) which aren't lighted. By trial and error, you can notice that fade filter colours depends of lighting in map center.
You have to place your Start location and few* (5-7) lighting models perfectly in the middle of the map.

*

Or just edit in War3ModelEditor this Light2.mdx (in sample map) and make in node manager ommni light radius 5-7x bigger)

Beyond that, place also one dummy unit (owner = player) with the huge sight radius.

 

[xorkatoss]

Rather not.

Fade filters are black, because... let's say, with enabled DNC script they are treated as models (actually, as textures) which aren't lighted. By trial and error, you can notice that fade filter colours depends of lighting in map center.
You have to place your Start location and few* (5-7) lighting models perfectly in the middle of the map.

*

Or just edit in War3ModelEditor this Light2.mdx (in sample map) and make in node manager ommni light radius 5-7x bigger)

Beyond that, place also one dummy unit (owner = player) with the huge sight radius.

hmm...i took a look at that map and it seems to be a nice torch system but why you can see the floor being "divided" into "squares" at the middle of the map?

 

[maddeem]

Or you could locally change day/night models when someone views a fade filter.

 

[Kithraya]

hmm...i took a look at that map and it seems to be a nice torch system but why you can see the floor being "divided" into "squares" at the middle of the map?

System? It is using only 4 actions.

Hmn... "divided" into "squares" ? Do you think that I would upload something faulty here? Anyway, there is nothing like that. Check your Wc3 Graphic settings. Perhaps you have lights set to Medium or low.

Or you could locally change day/night models when someone views a fade filter.

No, he cannot. Hands as the filter with alpha channel won't be applayed on the entire screen, through the entire game with turned off DNC script.

 

[maddeem]

With too much omnilight warcraft 3 lighting bugs up. Doesn't matter what graphic settings you have applied. Try placing 10 omni torches right on top of each other and you'll see what he means.

 

[Kithraya]

With too much omnilight warcraft 3 lighting bugs up. Doesn't matter what graphic settings you have applied. Try placing 10 omni torches right on top of each other and you'll see what he means.

Well, I don't have such effects. ;>
Then use one omni model with huge radius.

 

[Sverkerman]

Wow, just reached over 10,000 views on this thread.

 

[Sverkerman]

Another update

 

[shinji]

Another update

So it's going to be delayed a little bit? And yeah. Your collage life sounds fun.

 

[neo_sluf]

i already view this project when its on early stages and i view a sverkercraft on youtube and i really like what sverkerman review a map. So i decided to support this. Actually at the end of the Dualism trailer i got scared on the sounds to this is a very horror RPG.I view alot screenshots and videos. i also like on the way how domound castle is made. I also inspired on this map not on the things on it but on how sverkerman really do this project enjoyable, original and directors cut. Sorry for long comment but i really like the way sverkerman do his project. I make some maps but it looks boring so when i view this thread it gives me an idea how to make a map more enjoyable although i dont know C++. Well i dont mind to join to be a BETA TESTER cause i contented to help on developing the map by SUPPORTING and GIVING POSITIVE COMMENTS. I hope SVERKERMAN will make the map the way he said it.Anyway i just want to ask why you spend money on doing this?,as you said its free. Well this map has is very great to the other maps because it has been spent a lot of time and effort and MONEY. I think i would suggest to continue making maps using WC3, more maps...

AND AGAIN this is Neo_Sluf supporting this map 100%

 

[xorkatoss]

Video

lolololololololololololol 10:11 that's me although that's not how xorkatoss it's pronounced xD
it's more like horkatoss since the X in greek is actually an H but oh well nice try

EDIT:
13:30 oh god pronouncing my name badly again xD

EDIT 2:
well ontopic now, you need to think a lot about trying to live through a wc3 map, everybody has this dream lol

but you should also think the fact that wc3 is like 10 years old and with each year the population keeps falling, pretty much the only reason wc3 is still alive is bcz of Dota and i doubt it will be when the stable ver of Dota 2 comes..

getting back your 600 dollars/euro will be extremely hard unless all 10,000 viewers donate 1 euro xD

i will support you by donating if you can w8 like a year so i can turn 18 and make my own Paypal account

although don't expect that im going to donate like 100 euro lol, probably 10-25 euro since that's how much i can afford..

well wish you best of luck with you project

 

[shinji]

I wish I could help you too. But I have no money. Sorry. I'm a student.

 

[xorkatoss]

I wish I could help you too. But I have no money. Sorry. I'm a student.

lol im a student too u know and having no money is impossible, im pretty sure when you were younger every x-mass and bday you had, all the money you got from your relatives were stored in the bank by your parents just as mine did aswell..
so stop making up excuses and donate him 100 euro!! lol jk

 

[sonofjay]

World Editor is the best modding tool in the history. Nice that you pointed that out Sverk, anyway good luck on what every you plan on the future.

 

[shinji]

lol im a student too u know and having no money is impossible, im pretty sure when you were younger every x-mass and bday you had, all the money you got from your relatives were stored in the bank by your parents just as mine did aswell..
so stop making up excuses and donate him 100 euro!! lol jk

Exactly. I'll donate to you as soon as I get my own money if I don't forget.

EDIT:Energy drink for you. Click!!

 

[xorkatoss]

Exactly. I'll donate to you as soon as I get my own money if I don't forget.

lol whut? donate to me? i think you mean donate to Sverk

World Editor is the best modding tool in the history.

ofc it is!! i tried editors of several other games and they were sooo confusing lol