World War One: ISH v3.3

[Captain Griffen]

That's a simplistic non-melee map.

 

[HFR]

It's the sad true...

 

[themightytauren]

Prefer regular ww1. But this one is cool to. I dont use so much trenches in ISH though. Just spam machinegunners and unless he has a very very tight line like in france it will easily break. Refering to russia,africa. Easily broke 4 trenches in a row with 7 mgs. 3/5

 

[Bobo_The_Kodo]

It's the sad true...

nou wat

 

[Roguewave]

Hey Purpleboot, love your map, but i think you should make these changes: Can you make it so that battleships and crusiers can attack buildings and not just other ships? And also the transport ships, is it possible to make it so that you can transport ally troops as well not just your own?

And about Surge, I think you should fix the fact that if you use surge right after a few mins, it shouldnt cost as much gold and food as it would to get normal amounts of troops from the surge.

 

[warman45]

as a side note did you know the only battleship to DIRECTLY sink an enemy submarine wa the HMS Dreadnaught in ww1. rammed the crap out of it!

also love the map 4.99999/5 (deducted .00001 cause i felt like it.

 

[PurplePoot]

Hey Purpleboot, love your map, but i think you should make these changes: Can you make it so that battleships and crusiers can attack buildings and not just other ships?

This was in the beta build but the reaction was overwhelmingly negative, so I removed it. Navies really do need a revamp though (any ideas?).

In addition, if I made it so that Cruisers/Battleships (or even just Battleships) could attack buildings, I would need to make some anti-naval land defences, which in the end would probably result in navies being even weaker than they are now.

And also the transport ships, is it possible to make it so that you can transport ally troops as well not just your own?

I can imagine that would be a bit of a diplomatic nightmare. You can use allied ferry points (or even enemy ones) though, so try that (and be careful!).

And about Surge, I think you should fix the fact that if you use surge right after a few mins, it shouldnt cost as much gold and food as it would to get normal amounts of troops from the surge.

The entire point is to stop people spamming surge like they did in the old versions. As of 3.0 there is a warning timer window, so there is really no excuse.

In addition, it doesn't actually cost 18 food--it costs 1 food per infantry, like any other infantry do. It just requires 18 spare food for you to be able to purchase it.

 

[Roguewave]

Also Purple, I honestly think Russia has it too hard in this game. Not only do they have to face Germans, Hungary,Bulgaria, and even Turks. They have Russian revolution to deal with and Ukrainian independ. Can u get rid of the Ukrainian independence or give Russia more troops to start off with? Cuz I think Russia is pretty underpowered and has probably the hardest job to do in the map..

 

[PurplePoot]

Russia is certainly hard, but in a way I find it makes them fun. They don't lack income and it's generally nice to have at least one team which you can go to if you feel particularly challenge-inclined.

However, perhaps they are a bit over the top. Do you have anything specific in mind? They already have plenty of troops at the start, so giving them more would likely not change the problem.

Also, if you are interested, most of the discussion for the map goes on here (sadly, you need an account to even view it... but meh), so if you want to see popular feature ideas/requests, post your own for feedback, etc, then feel free. I'll be sure to check this thread more often though.

 

[Roguewave]

Hm, well you could give them more major cities/barracks/factories to start off with instead of just a bunch of empty towns spread all across the country, i mean its a pretty big empty gap between east germany and Moscow, maybe it should be fortified more. Well i honestly just think Russia could use a buff, I mean sure i guess some more pro players would choose Russia for the challenge, but not everyone is pro, and a new person who plays as Russia will have a hecka hard time..

 

[Roguewave]

I also think France is a bit underpowered even though it should get help from Britain. I think you should increase the distance of Paris from West Germany to prevent it from being overrun so easily

 

[PurplePoot]

I don't want to change the France/Germany balance too much, but I may add a few more fortifications to slow a good germany down.

As for Russia, the problem is that if played right they are a powerhouse right now, so I can't buff them too much without making the Centrals not stand a chance.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Double their troops, but give only 50% rifles! The other 50% have to pick up rifles off of fallen comrades! Enhanced realism! Plus it means they can last longer, but aren't overwhelming.

 

[Roguewave]

Also Purple, I feel like Trenches should be weaker(lower hp and and armor) because people seem to "turtle" a lot, where they will sneak a regiment into a city and start massing trenches on a city, and the city will be helpless to defend itself, and i think this is very annoying. You should get rid of Fortified trenches too, they are just a more buffed and annoying version of the trench, like one time there was this British who just mass heavy trenches on London and it took so long for the team to wipe them all out and take the city. And also, I think Machine Guns need a buff, they should do AOE dmg and have faster atk spd and be able to be in trenches. Tanks and Vehicles also need more Atk range, its not very accurate to have tanks have the same atk range as infantry. SO plz fix this and the trench system for next version so that players wont just mass trenches to win the game, cuz that doesnt rly take much strategy...

 

[Captain Griffen]

Artillery > Trenches...

 

[Roguewave]

Well no Duh, mortars can take out trenches too, but who can afford to mass mortars and trenches given the limited resources and time at beginning of game? The answer is no one, but it is possible to mass trenches and trenches atk buildings too, which is annoying...so what im suggesting is to weaken trenches or make it so that units inside trenches take some dmg too

 

[Roguewave]

Uh Purple, I havent played 3.1 yet, but as far as I can tell, in this update you pretty much nerfed the Allies...why?? I mean u made Russian Infantry weaker?? Russians already have it the hardest in the game and you make their infantry weaker!?! Explain this man, and I rly dont think this is much of an update, just a nerf on the allies. You should focus on making trenches weaker next version, cuz there is too much trench whoring in this game..

 

[Captain Griffen]

Too much trench whoring in a WWI game...? Seriously, if you have a problem with people getting behind your lines and building trenches, then, maybe, I don't know, you shouldn't be letting people get that huge strategic advantage inherent in getting behind your lines?

 

[Tau Empire]

Lol to much trenches... someone doesn't know his history. There's a reason why WW1 got names like: The Great War, The Trench War, and other things like that.

The problem would of been to little trenches, but this isn't the case, Russia case of bad infantry can be fixed up with massing + trenches, to defend Russian borders.

 

[Roguewave]

Well no shit ww1 had a lot of trenches, but this is wc3 here, using wc3 units and gameplay, I just think trenches should be nerfed so that they dont absolutely dominate the game over all other units, because that seems to be the case here and although artillery and mortars take out trenches, they are expensive early game, and west/east germany start off with more of them than the rest.

 

[Tau Empire]

Well no shit ww1 had a lot of trenches, but this is wc3 here, using wc3 units and gameplay, I just think trenches should be nerfed so that they dont absolutely dominate the game over all other units, because that seems to be the case here and although artillery and mortars take out trenches, they are expensive early game, and west/east germany start off with more of them than the rest.

It's your opinion but there was a reason why trenches existed in the first place.... to give advantage to infantry against the enemy by giving them large cover, and cover from artillery.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Actually the idea is to get away from WC3 gameplay...

 

[Roguewave]

So u guys think the combat system,trenches, and every aspect of the units here are perfectly fine the way they are? Cuz I dont

 

[Captain Griffen]

No, but change for the sake of change because something isn't perfect is a fallacy likely to lead to making it worse.

 

[Roguewave]

So if you agree with me that the gameplay aspect of the map isnt perfect, then do u have suggestions on how it could be better? Do u agree with me that trenches should be weakened a bit, that tanks/infantry should get more atk range, if not then plz offer suggestions, I want to hear what other ppl want

 

[PurplePoot]

Trenching enemy capitals: I'm probably going to boost the time it takes to build trenches some time soon.

Turtling: If they invest that much into trenching their capital they're handing you the game anyways.

Trench nerfs: I'm considering making units in the trench take damage, actually (as well as letting other kinds of units get into trenches, increasing the number of units per trench, and a host of other things to do with trenches) but people are pretty divided on the issue.

Ally nerfs: That was off of playing several games and finding that

A) Russian infantry were far too good for their availability.

B) France and Great Britain could more or less steamroll West Germany regardless of reasonable help that the latter received.

 

[soldier.]

hahahaha by reading all these trheads its sounds like a fun game maybe i should get one of my friends 2 dl it and host it

 

[Roguewave]

Ty so much for considering to nerf trenches, Purple, cuz ive become quite annoyed by them, even though they are an important aspect of the game. And purp, how about increasing the atk range of rifles and vehicles by a little bit so that they can take out artillery and mortars w/o having to go like near-melee distance to atk them?

 

[Roguewave]

And about France and Britain against Germany on western front, if you're france and ur paired with a noob britain and ur up against a pro west german, ur pretty much screwed..france alone just doesnt stand a chance against germans, germans start off with more artillery and men than france and have more factories, barracks, and major cities to begin with

 

[Tau Empire]

And about France and Britain against Germany on western front, if you're france and ur paired with a noob britain and ur up against a pro west german, ur pretty much screwed..france alone just doesnt stand a chance against germans, germans start off with more artillery and men than france and have more factories, barracks, and major cities to begin with

Don't double post... anyway Germany had the biggest army in WW1 of course France doesn't stand a chance without his allies.

 

[Roguewave]

Why do you care if I double post or not, i can post whatever I want. And Im glad you agree with me, france wont stand a chance against Germany with a noob britian as partner, so thats why i suggest that france needs a buff

 

[Roguewave]

@ Tau Empire:
And quit acting like im making bad suggestions for the game, i dont see you offering any helpful input to improve the game here

 

[Tau Empire]

I never said your making bad suggestions, I just like to look at the opposite of your idea to see if it works or not.

Plus your double posting in a administrator ressource... I don't want to be mean but that's stupidity at it's finest.

Besides I suggested aircraft but it's been denied for reason of uselessness. I'm busy with making a map myself so I can't have time to suggest things myself until I actually play it, (unlike most of the people who give perfect scores...)

Off Topic: I find it a fault in the human mind giving away a perfect score, perfect does not exist in the world only God is perfect, which is why I will never give away a 5 out a 5 or a 10 out of 10.

 

[Roguewave]

I know nothing is perfect, Tau, u dont have to get into a philosophical lecture on me with ur sage-like wannabe smart talk. So am i the only who has multiple suggestions for this map? U and other ppl honestly have nothing to suggest other than having planes?(planes are going to be hard as heck to control, you'll have to refuel them and shit or have some limitation on them or they will be OP).

And Tau, i can make as many posts as I want, theres no rule about how many posts you can make....and double posting isnt the greatest stupidity, its trying to act smart when ur not(like what u sound like in ur posts), not to be mean or anything...cough* cough*

 

[Tau Empire]

I know nothing is perfect, Tau, u dont have to get into a philosophical lecture on me with ur sage-like wannabe smart talk. So am i the only who has multiple suggestions for this map? U and other ppl honestly have nothing to suggest other than having planes?(planes are going to be hard as heck to control, you'll have to refuel them and shit or have some limitation on them or they will be OP).

And Tau, i can make as many posts as I want, theres no rule about how many posts you can make....and double posting isnt the greatest stupidity, its trying to act smart when ur not(like what u sound like in ur posts), not to be mean or anything...cough* cough*

Yes keep flaming me in Purple's topic... let's see what happens next.

 

[Roguewave]

Nothing will happen...and im not flaming, mr.smart ass, ur the one who's wasting posts trying to defend ur smart aleck talk and not giving any suggestions about the game

 

[Tau Empire]

Ok let me sum this up you double posted twice, you flame me, and probably the others on this topic. I can smell the punishment in the air.

I find aircraft really useful, but this is Purple's map and it's for him to decide to or not. It doesn't have to be realistic with a fuel system and all that, besides if that where true how come the ships and tanks don't have fuel?

It's not easy making a good suggestion, you complain about France being to weak against Germany, the point of this map was to be historically accurate but also not at the same time, France weak vs Germany is trying to be a accurate one.

There's no system in this map saying when a player is being terrible at Great Britain, France, Russia or any other empires\countries. So it's the player's fault if they cannot assist, giving France a buff would make it uneven for the Central Powers.

 

[Roguewave]

Ok who cares about how many posts i make? No one does except for u, and im glad ur finally giving a good argument about why France shouldnt get a buff instead of getting all preachy and shit. And the only buff I want France to have is to get more starting income or to get a 1-2 more artillery to begin with so in case France is up against a Pro Germany and there happens to be a noob Britain(i have had too many games where this was the case) France can at least hold its ground and not get overrun while waiting for Britain to pour in reinforcements. Tau, you have to think about that possibility and not just assume all players will do their best with their countries, but the fact is that West Germany starts off with more crap in almost every aspect(money, troops, artillery) and if a France player were to face off against a west german player at almost equal skill level, the west german player would win simply because of the advantages that it starts off with. And France getting a slight income boost and a few more troops, mortars, and artillery to begin with isnt asking for too much

 

[Roguewave]

So Purple, when is next update coming out and what will it have?
For next update i think you should you should buff tanks and armor vehicles, so that infantry/machine guns will just suck against them and that they will stand a better chance against breaking through massed trenches, but artillery and mortars can still take them out. Give them more atk range too, they have same atk range as infantry which doesnt rly make sense.

 

[PurplePoot]

Increased range: Artillery are already vulnerable as hell as it is.

West front: I can't balance the game assuming some players will suck, otherwise the game will suck if the players are well matched (which is the target scenario

Next version:

Trench nerfs
Slight trade nerfs
An attempt to find out why the victory trigger stopped working
Random balance tweaks which are undecided.

Probably some time this week.

 

[Roguewave]

Also Purple, for next version, change the skin of either merchant ships or transport ships to avoid confusion between them

 

[PurplePoot]

Feel free to give me a good alternative.

I'll wait a few more days for the new version to allow for more suggestions etc.

 

[Tau Empire]

Maybe some What If event? Like say the Zimmermann (foreign affaires minister) letter actually reached the ambassador in Mexico, and start a war against the United States to reclaim there territory. Not enough room I know but maybe a decreased income rate for the United States to keep the Mexicans out of there states.

Another what if event is what if the Russian Communism overthrown the gouvernement earlier and gives Russia a cheap infantry army.

 

[PurplePoot]

I have the communists working with the Centrals in this game as the Centrals supported Lenin while the Allies actually invaded Russia to attempt to stop him. It isn't perfectly historical, but there's no good way to implement the Revolution properly.

 

[Tau Empire]

Bah if it was 100% historical then it wouldn't be fun now wouldn't it?

I got no suggestions since you covered basically everything except aircraft lol.

 

[Roguewave]

Poot, how about adding flamethrowers as new units? They will have less atk range than mortars(mortars have 400, FT's will have like 200-250) but faster atk speed and do splash dmg.

Also Poot, i think machine guns are pretty weak now(i thought they were stronger in earlier versions for some reason). Maybe im not noticing this, but do machine guns even do splash dmg in this or they just target one unit(cuz thats what it seems to me). So i think machine guns should get buffed for next version(more aoe dmg/range-their range is barely higher than infantry, and since they are stationary, they get killed off easily by cannons and massed infantry, and MG's are suppose to kill mass infantry)

 

[PurplePoot]

They just target new units. I'll definitely buff them again in the next version—I did find them a tad weak.

 

[Roguewave]

Poot when is next vers coming out?

 

[DEDsloththeelf]

Why wont this map work for me?

 

[ShootinPutin]

You need to update your WCIII to version 1.24, either that or your system's busted.