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What do you dislike most about DotA:Allstars?

Discussion in 'Map Development' started by qwerty, Sep 24, 2005.

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What do you dislike most?

  1. Unbalanced Spells

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  2. Unbalanced Heroes

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  3. Poor Plot (or in this case, no plot)

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  4. Terrain (size and/or appearance)

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  5. All of the above

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  1. qwerty

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    now lets not gives suggestions. i want dota to keep it that way so i can criticise people who think that its good :lol:
     
  2. ssj2_Gohan

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    I really don't see why the dwarven sniper should worry about his health he can just use his ulti 2 times on you and kill u . or buy the armor reduceing (2 mithril hammer) and kill you in 2-3 shots. (thats not enought time to get near him.



    First of all let me define the term ignorant: Ignorant = A person that gives no iteres to a particulary obeject or situation. Trust me! ;) we do give attention to DotA...thats how we relized it sux :), on the other hand you are a very ignorant person for not notecing this.... Second i don't know spells ?? o_O....i wish i could bash your head in DotA just to prove you are a worthles insect in any way....ou should just delete warcraft from your PC ,smash your CD and burn the manuals...and give up War and DotA.

    DotA comunity much more numerous ?? OMG summon your army and face us :/.

    There is nothing to master get Loric or Nerub Assasin (and athor pawning heroes) and just start to beat the crap out of the opposing team...And you should start LEARNING map makeing and see the real flaws....no really i dare you make a map ...and prove us rong!! post it here id love to play it and amuse my self on the mighty DotA Liberation Army (DLA :D ) Maps that are made to prove us that DotA is not a sucky game and it's something worth playing.
     
  3. qwerty

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    not with a hero with blink. blink is so overpowered.

    and if anyone is reading this, we ARE NOT discussing about strategies. we are contemplating on its unbalancedness.
     
  4. ssj2_Gohan

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    agree but that dwarfen sniper i had to kill also had Lother's Edge...the weapon that gives blade masters invizibility attack.
     
  5. Draqz

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    /salute Dark Necrosis
     
  6. Komodo

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    You complainers are sad, just sad. Your jealous because you'll NEVER make a map as popular as DotA.

    1) You could make the most advanced and technically amazing map ever, but if the gameplay and marketing aspects sucks, then who really cares?
    2) DotA may have crap terrain, still some imbalances and other less major flaws but it beats every other map. People still find it fun, it still attracts new players, how can you sit there and write it off as the worst map ever when it achieves so much? Maybe people like simple (meaning non-complex) maps?
    3) Those who whine about imbalanced skills, well you obviously dont play DotA, I'll admit there are a couple, BUT:
    - Imbalanced means to strong in relation to other heroes in the map, maybe your trying to compare the dota heroes to another map?
    - Some of the stronger spells have drawbacks of using, or are on very vulnerable heroes
    4) Funny to see someone complaining about the creeps being fodder and only the heroes mattering, well didnt you ever care to think maybe its meant to be like that? Ever care to think thats that what people enjoy, the competition? There are other maps which involve constant farming against hard to kill creeps, go play those if you find that funner then constant hero battles.
    5) DotA requires skill. Yes you'll have to face it someday, it does require skill, as much as you whiners will quote powerful spells and stealth heroes and whatnot. In what ways you ask?
    - Teamwork, and I dont just mean ganging.
    - Counter'ing other powerful heroes, people who excel at dota can use some of the lesser heroes to kill powerful ones. If someone can do this, then maybe that powerful hero isnt so powerful after all, and shows there is balance.
    - Farming/Creeping, yes I KNOW its easy compared to other maps, but that still doesnt mean its easy enough to just stand and attack and expect to become rich. If you can team kill well and final hit well, you can seriously disadvantage the enemy.
    - And other all round stuff like reacting well in tough situations, weighing up cost/benefit of items and skill points.

    Now how about you spend your time worrying about how you can make your maps more fun and attractive to players, combine that with your supposed super amazing maping skills and Im sure your map will get some attention. Rather then crying about other maps are doing well because you cant understand why. If you still have any problems in your mind about this then please post some examples that you have seen in DotA and I'll be glad to explain a counter.
     
  7. Fulla

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    The map is popular because its
    - Noob friendly, theres little to think about, no complications such as upgrading creeps capturing forts/bases etc. Once you know the item recipes (most likely after 2-3 games) thats all you need to think about
    - You go on the custom menu and about half the screen is DOTA, so every noob will join and give it a try.
    - They have an impressive website/forums and regular updates
    - It was based of a good map (in its time) Dota. So everyone is familiar with it.

    Imbalances
    There are many imbalances, some heropes are just sick, completely decimate and others are simply crap.
    You already said that maybe the whole concept of the map was creeps should be ignored and its a hero arena. That already leads to a map where assassin heroes will dominate.

    In a clan war or team vs team, on -ap yes it can be balanced because both teams will simply pick imbalanced heroes.
    But just join a regular public game with -ar and you need to get lucky.
    People exagerrate with how easy it is to counter heroes with items.
     
  8. Komodo

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    PRECISELY, its hard to counter but very possible. Also mind giving some examples of imbalances? Or wait dont tell me, you know all this, but you dont play so you dont know examples. ANY hero can dominate, there are no crap heroes, if you wish I'll send you replays of me dominating with every single hero.

    So your also saying that because something is simple to understand and get into that it is only made for noobs? Are you defining noobs as idiots? Or are you complementing the map on its ability to attract new players?

    As I said give some examples of problems with the map not just blabbering. Im not saying the map is 100% perfect, but your overexagerating problems, there is very few.
     
  9. Fulla

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    Why do you assume I've played the map once and went off crying. I've played it many many times been in a few clans even made my own.

    Overtime I just realised how repetitive it is and how in team wars picking the imbalanced heroes just simply wins the game.

    I've never seen the imbalance as the main issue that makes DOTA a bad map thou. Its simply how much the map could be improved with a few advancements which have been metioned in this thread.

    - Why dont the creeps share gold with the team?
    - Why cant you even upgrade a creep, research an ability or simply contruct another barracks
    etc. etc.

    Overall I find the map quite primitive
     
  10. ssj2_Gohan

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    Same here!

    The word noob was nowhere near a probably not even existing word idiot...thats probably what you think when your screaming at your team mates : "you noobs! i can't play my team is fool of noobs! im leaving!" ...no the team wasn't nooby just that the creeps can't really fight back now can they ?! :p plus the heroes ar inbalance <--- see INBALANCED...i'll spell it slowly...I-N-B-A-L-A-N-C-E-D...that means not even close to equal...and you said it your self "DotA != AoS" so the assasin heroes dominate...or the extrim stun damageing ones... like sven if i remember that has godly power and i had about 800 DMG !!! not thats not even a little inbalanced...or is it ?!?!

    Atract new players ? please new players can't join anything else....it's the only f***ing game on the custom...and BTW for the record ...you don't see me complaneing about Parasite , Enfo or any other partialy popular games.

    And What blabbering ? we are giving you serious problems...you want me to use a movie-maker on demos ? i'll make a funny movie ,with a funny song and explain the problems on it!
     
  11. Pyrodactyl

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    I think Dota is just simply boring. There's no real variety in it. The creeps are always the same. The heroes are mostly the same (except allrandom). The items you use are always the same for each hero.

    Ballance lies in variety. You need to have a choice, but a REAL choice. Like in melee games. You can use a wide variety of strategies, and every single unit has it's role in the game.
     
  12. Fulla

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    Well I'll show you a screenshot, bird's eye view of my MTG DOTA map im working on.

    [​IMG]

    Hopefully I'll have it playable soon
     
  13. krste

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    Nice! I'm really looking forward to it.
    I stumbled in here looking for an alternative to boring and imbalanced allstars.
    Tides of Blood is awesome but the creators haven't released (abandoned it?) a new version in ages.

    Looking forward to your release!
     
  14. alexis_axel

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    Yeah i agree with you.
    The variation of the creeps is really sucks
    There's also no original wc3 heroes such as mountain king and demon hunter.

    No need of strategy in playing, just destroy all the tower and you done with it.
     
  15. VGsatomi

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    Umm....isnt that Gerrard's map....?
    -VGsatomi
     
  16. Rui

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    Hell this topic starts to make no sence at all. All discussions of DotA just lead to the same answer always:

    There are players who like DotA, and other who don't. No need to discuss it. It's true that DotA is sort of imba, but there are people who like to live with that imbalance.

    -Rui
     
  17. modafoka

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    we all love and hate DOTA.... one thing i dont understand why is so damn popular, but then again of that is what most people like we cant do much about it... it was a shock to find DOTA in the blizzard mod map site... thanks to DOTA alot of maps are just DOTA-WANNA-BE maps... but hey shit happens.
     
  18. Rui

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    Meh, this is thread revival, and the topic will end up on flaming like all others.

    This topic was crushed by the Closed

    -Rui
     
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