Discussion in 'Warcraft Discussion' started by The_wand_mirror, Jan 18, 2007.
That is some magnificent artwork in the slideshow...
Wow, that's pretty cool, drawing a slideshow from memory.
But hold on, elves weren't part of the First War?
And floating Dalaran - that's just plain stupid. God I hate retcons.
Otherwise it's looking really cool, if the drawings are accurate. Still not a fan of the Orcs beings brown though.
"Dalaran was one of the original city-states founded during the Arathorian empire. Since its inception, the city has served as a hub of magical knowledge and experimentation in Lordaeron and the world. A multi-racial wizards’ council called the Kirin Tor ruled the city for centuries, overseeing Dalaran from the Violet Citadel — a great, slender spire in the city’s heart that housed the most extensive libraries and greatest laboratories in the world."
I'm not sure how they will get away with floating Dalaran retcon, because we all know that Dalaran was a city on the ground. It was destroyed in the third war by Archimonde.
It's okay; the only thing I'm afraid of is Blizzard retconning Illidania and Arthasia to be men.
VIDEO FOOTAGE https://vid.me/ijlx
Brown skin already explained.
Looks exactly like a blizzard cinematic (meaning it looks like warcraft but it doesn't feel like real-life).
Looks like not all orcs are brown, most of them are green. What a relief...
I've guessed as much, they used a lot of CGI.
I have uploaded the video below in case Legendary tries to remove it, click to download it.
Ah... thank you!
Looks like they took it down. If you want to watch the leaked footage, here.
The dalaran thing probably has to do with the fact that a floating city is much more appealing and magical than one on the ground.
It is definitely a retcon unless they are doing some sort of flash-forward/flashback sort of thing.
Movie artists tend to take artistic liberties "for the sake of film". Just look at Marvel.
I'm glad Weta Workshop the guys that made the costumes for Lotr made good use for making those props. And during the video leaked, Gul'dan looks very awesome especially the voice acting. It fits very well.
I got to say I don't get all the drama about Dalaran flying. Does it really matter? I know I don't care, as long as they find a good way for the scourge to destroy Dalaran in the third movie without all of them riding Frostwyrms.
It's just the rule-of-cool applied. Nothing wrong with that. If they make Arthas smoke cigs and have him grow a moustache, I'll also be fine ... as long as they don't retcon something story relevant.
Wow, that guy in the beginning is a huge tool. "Just one big computer" "like Avatar", yeah you mean the movie that had near flawless photo-realistic CGI? Ugh, typical CGI basher.
Not exactly though. They've shown that some of them are green, but they're still going against established canon though. It seems like Grom was telling Orgrim and Durotan about the blood of Mannoroth, like they didn't know about it.
And I might be making too many assumptions here, but it looks very much to me like Orgrim is part of the Frostwolves here. If he was really Blackhand's right hand man, wouldn't he know about the green skin? I'd think Blackhand would be the first to know - at least he was in the novel. It just seems strange that Orgrim is so surprised at the green skin.
It matters to me because it goes against established canon. If they make this movie a part of the Warcraft canon, which I'm betting they will after spending so much money on it, it will make reading the books, playing the games etc seem like a waste of time. Because the events have been changed. It kinda belittles what the writers and authors managed to do in my opinion.
And it's so unnecessary. As you say yourself, this is all in the name of cool. Which is total BS. Dalaran could've been amazing without floating. They just decided to make it floating in order to not confuse WoW-players who are used to a floating Dalaran - even though that Dalaran is NOT the same Dalaran as the one we will see in the movie.
Even though I don't like WoW lore, I can live with it because it happens later in the canon. But changing already established canon just makes me sad. Because it really is unecessary.
On the bright side, the footage looks amazing. Even in low quality. The character designs are awesome, voice acting is great. Gul'dan seems cool. Hopefully he'll get a big role. And also, GROM! Hellz yeah.
Did the other part of the "trailer" not get leaked? There was no Alliance footage in this one.
We better brace ourselves for incoming feminists complaining about Durotan's protectiveness over Draka.
Let's go for the retard-logic:
Dalaran could always fly, for a limited time. It just needs to get down and refuel magics from time to time.
So.. When Archimonde destroys dalaran, it's currently refuelling magic.
Yeah, I don't get that sentiment either. We did not have a single full-CGI movie since Avatar; it's about time someone tries to tackle that "realistic CGI" problem again, after all the Pixar child movies giving animated movies a bad name.
I think this is some liberty they took in the movie to make the story exposition more suitable for movie format. Constant time skips just to give an exposition on the taint would be considered bad pacing by critics.
"Show, don't tell!" is the golden rule of storytelling. Durotan being green right from the start would violate that rule, as then we have to tell the viewers "so, orcs weren't always green... here's the backstory on that". I think it would feel lame.
I think merging the taint and the dark portal into the same time-scope is a smart way to make the movie narrative more focused.
I can live with some minor inconsistencies within the franchise for the sake of a better movie narrative.
We don't know which part he belongs to in the movie, yet. It hasn't been mentioned. For the green skin, see above.
Let's not blow this out of proportion. It's a minor detail that nobody cares about except the die-hard Warcraft fanboys. We haven't had a single good realistic CGI movie for ages; let the effect guys have some fun...
Floating Dalaran really doesn't hurt the story.
In a way, WoW already changed established pre-WoW canon, especially with the invention of the Draenai race which didn't exist pre-WoW (there were the broken ones in WC3 though, so at least they thought of it).
Also, Garona was retconned into being half-draenai instead of half-human, as the creators noticed it was impossible for Garona to be half-human in the current canon.
Hell yeah! About time to get the hypetrain moving, boys! Show Blizzard that they better not fuck this up!
Half-naked Garona with wonderbra-supported boobies surely doesn't help either.
I've heard somewhere that Garona's actress Paula Patton said something about Garona being half-human instead of half-draenei as retconned. So are they bringing the classic Garona as half-human from Warcraft 1?
In the trailer we see Garona as a prisoner taken somewhere by the orcs.
Furthermore her movie appearance contradicts to the half-draenei description she had, she looks more like a human and orc compared to how Draka (based on the leaked trailer) and draenei look. She doesn't even have any of the draenei features we know such as horns, tail, hoof legs.
Maybe Dalaran will not be in the movie? Maybe they will cut it out, it was there to show people general style and look of the movie.
I don't have a problem with Garona being human ... but I will wonder how that's possible. Humans on Draenor or Orcs in Azeroth before the opening of the Dark Portal? I still believe she is Draenei, they're just not saying it so they won't take away from the focus on the orcs vs humans conflict.
The Frostwolf Clan has rejected the blood of Mannoroth and they haven't been corrupted. Durotan and Draka are in the same clan, that's why they are still brown in the movie. I'm guessing that Thrall is going to be brown also.
But then why in all Warcraft games, every orc clan is corrupted? Everyone is green?
So are the RTS games a reliable source of lore?
We don't exactly know how the genes mix. I recall reading a wiki entry somewhere about the retcon into half-orc-half-draenei that children of this interracial breeding resemble humans stronger than draenei.
I mean, female draenei already look a like humans, just with horns, hooves and a tail. Could be that these features are recessive in the genes.
In fact, in most official concept art, she looks like half-human despite the already established retcon canon. The only real Draenei feature are the purple glowing eyes.
Possible. I mean, I don't know why Dalaran should even be in the movie. It doesn't really matter for the plot, as all the events play out around Karazhan, Stormwind and the Blasted Lands. Maybe they just edited an unused scene from a WoW cinematic into the movie footage to spice it up.
Possibly exclusive footage for a trailer that caters specifically to the WoW crowd...
This has been explained in the way that the corruption radiates to the other orcs, even if they didn't drink Mannoroth's blood. Newborn children might be much more susceptible for it. It could be one of the movie's twists to show Thrall as a newborn with slightly green skin color (and he turns greener as he grows up). I think the taint will be the actual theme of the movie, not necessarily the conflict between orcs and humans; simply because it's more interesting than just focusing on a plain and simple war (I still have nightmares from that third hobbit movie).
@Tauer: Yeah, the person only recorded 4 mins. The actual footage at SDCC was a bit longer and showed some Stormwind scenes.
@A Void: Even though Garona was revealed to be half-draenei, the concept art for her never changed. Even in WoW, she was portrayed as a regular orc (although Blizz tends to get lazy when it comes to making custom models for significant lore characters). I'm guessing that leads to ambiguity about her origin. If she had hooves/a tail/anything visibly "draenei", then it wouldn't come into question.
One thing's sure: Blizzard loves to throw enigmatic ash bombs at us under the pretense of laziness.
Do we have an actual problem with that?
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