Warcraft: A New Dawn

[Grey Nightmare]

NO not quite, all accepted work, will get credited in some or another, depending on how many CCP points you can accumulate before the final release.

 

[Turminator8]

thanks edited my first post..

 

[The World Is Flat]

Kola, your work approves you, but are you active?

 

[SasuhKun]

Regarding my voice act, I made 10 and chose one. Well... you guys want something else?

 

[kola]

the world is flat, yeah i am active.

hey, will deathwing will be in Wc4? sry, i dont know if u plan to add him.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Hey Kola, did you get your PM? Your picture will be seen A LOT in the future, I presume

Fantastic, thank you!

 

[Taylor Mouse]

First off, I didn't do much, my kids the wife and I spend a nice day shopping and a bbq

Now I'm busy with the unwrap of the succubus.

Anyway, Turminator8 -> those terraining, awsem dude
kola, question, 2D like in texturing ?

Then I can give you the uv unwrap for that succubus to do if you want ?

T.

 

[kola]

i do icons, i only did 1 skin, u can see it in my signature

but if the unwrap (sry i dont know what it is) is like a skin, i can give it a try.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Nothing inparticular atm Sasuhkun, but I'll look at anything you submit as a CC.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Ok, kola good to have you, well add you in the coming update.

Taylor, go at your pace. Glad to hear you had a nice day! Feel free to be failry relaxed up until the games accual release.

Technically, we are getting a 2 months head start people, so no real reason to feel like heavy work sould begin. BUT, WE MUST REMAIN ACTIVE, especially during exam times.


Concerning monetary reward for this project. I have come across a few options. depending on the popularity of this project.

1. Nothing at all

2. The game, and all expansions.

3. Free for melee. But low cost for expansions, such as campaings.

4. Some other form? suggest one?

This is somthing we seriously want to consider NOW and in the future.

 

[TwistedImage]

What, stuff's gonna cost money? If so, count me out..

 

[The World Is Flat]

If you noticed, we are deciding.

And if you also noticed, you havent joined yet.


I personally could go either way. but somthing that i am absolutly pulling for is free melee play, but extra stuff like campaigns?

 

[TwistedImage]

I don't need to join to say, "Count me out."

Also I vote for free all the way if you care. Forcing people to pay is douchebaggery, use a donation system.

 

[Turminator8]

I don't need to join to say, "Count me out."

Also I vote for free all the way if you care. Forcing people to pay is douchebaggery, use a donation system.

I agree (although maybe not so strongly) I feel forcing people to pay is a little much, but maybe urging a donation system would be better.

For the time being, I vote for free all the way until this project gets bigger.

Edit: Perhaps, after we get the main campaigns and stuff out, extra campaigns could be a "donate and gain access" sort of thing? thoughts?

 

[The World Is Flat]

Open to consideration, (this vote is only for team members)

The reason this has come up, is that a massive project. years of work. i don't consider 1-5$ for a campagin to be a large amount. it would be douchbeggery to consider that somone who spends such a long time, and pours so much effort into somthing, would NOT appreciate a return. But.... it need nt be a rediculous sum.

But again, a donate system works. its really up to the team, but this is not going to be a difinative vote.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

I'm absolutely against making people pay for mods in games - the success alone of the map should be enough. If it gets popular enough you can get money from advertising on the games dedicated site (if you make one).

This is just my opinion though.

Anyways donation is better in my opinion

 

[Tharkas]

Make the mod with the entire races and the campaigns free to download.
Add the option of a voluntary donation to the team.
Create some premium content that you must pay to get, like videogame DLC's, wich are optional to the main game and campaign but add side missions, like the past of the demon hero or something like that, and melee maps with more awesome terrain, for example.

This way, the people who wants the mod, the campaign and the option to play melee with the new races can do so for free, while those who want to voluntarily donate to the team for its job can also do so, and those who want something in exchange for their money will get it.

 

[Fussiler1]

It's not like you ask money for doing a hobby..

 

[Craka_J]

Is "brainstormer" really necessary of a position to be filled on the team?

 

[Kwah]

It's not like you ask money for doing a hobby..

No, that is EXACTLY what it's like. And nothing is intrinsically evil about that.

But keep in mind: discuss map related things here, and try not to let the discussion wander.

 

[Fussiler1]

But keep in mind: discuss map related things here, and try not to let the discussion wander.

Thanks for the tip. =)

 

[Grey Nightmare]

You know my views on the matter twif, completely free unless blizzard have anythig to do with, being called what it is, wouldn't surprise me -.-

donations are a fine idea, but let's get somewhere before discussing prices again ? People might change their mind depending on how hard/long it really will take in the end.

 

[Masiah]

How about starting the project before discussing a price for it?

And since when is it legally allowed to sell Blizzard's property to other users?

 

[real138]

I believe we should just work under a donation system once things get underway. I consider this a hobby and don't really expect money from it but I wouldn't mind the extra cash. Once the game gets popular we can make a website get some followers and get some ads.

 

[Tharkas]

Btw, as Masiah says, Warcraft is under Blizzard's copyright. If we can ask money for something based on WarCraft will depend on the EULA of the Blizzard online "map market" service.
Anyway, I hope the project continues with money or without it >

 

[Taylor Mouse]

a kind Donation would be great charging ppl for money, we may get in to trouble with Blizzard's EULA

T.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Again, though, bizzard takes a royalty for sales. but i agree with you. As Free As Possible. but also, as you said, DLC. (e.g. Extra campgains.) but, alright, as of yet, No cost.

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Noticed we were low on self-made concept art... whipped this up, still a WIP (More highlighting/shading + wings/legs etc...)

It's the 'fire imp' (Fyrsprites), a 1st tier demon unit.

Feedback please Good and Bad. Btw, I know the face is a bit weird, might redo that completely...

 

[The World Is Flat]

Fyrsprites. and no pic

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Pics, there now. Right -> left in order of construction.

 

[Reaper51]

Nice concepting grey!

 

[SasuhKun]

Nothing inparticular atm Sasuhkun, but I'll look at anything you submit as a CC.

Then I'll record the other entries. And maybe the Illidan story, if I CAN LOCATE IT IN THE 50 PAGES OF POSTS. lol

 

[Fussiler1]

Uh, SasuhKun?

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-concept-creation-291/project-stories-167050/

 

[SasuhKun]

Oh. Right.

 

[TwistedImage]

The Arthas betraying Ner'zhul thing is completely illogical. Ner'zhul essentially has complete control over Arthas' mind and is also many, MANY times stronger.

 

[Fussiler1]

I do understand your reasoning, and I personally disagree with it, too, but it's what the book said. I'm not really sure if the books will be counted or not, so, I just added it there for in case.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Arthas is one with ner'zhul.

 

[Fussiler1]

Right, last part removed then.

 

[Taylor Mouse]

Mmm, you do know, when defeating the lich king ( in WoW ) the spirit of Arthas is released and his father takes him to the spirit world, and it is Bolvar Fordragon that takes over the role of Lich King imprisoning the Lich King back into the Icecrown Citadel after the Battle of Angrathar the Wrathgate.

Oh, and by the way, it was Arthas that had the upper hand in the merge between Ner'zul and him

T.

 

[Tharkas]

Ner'Zhul choose Arthas for his personality, position and potential and then used Mal'Ganis to turn his personality and feelings against his training as a Paladin. Ner'Zhul has no control over Arthas until he gets the Frostmourne, and after that the only thing that Ner'Zhul changes inside Arthas is his point of view so he considers the living beings as enemies and Ner'Zhul as the emotional equal to the father Arthas killed himself. The character and personality of Arthas is his own. I think that's an important point about Arthas.
When Arthas merged with Ner'Zhul, their minds and personalities merged too, so there's no more Ner'Zhul and no more Arthas, only The Lich King. None of them have any more power than the other and none of them controls the other since none of them exists as individuals anymore.

@Taylor Mouse: I think the mod follows the history from the end of WC3, ignoring WoW lore (wich I dislike, btw).

 

[Grey Nightmare]

Many more people like it than dislike it, but I like your explanation Tharkas - awesome

 

[kola]

i would follow the history of Wow, or continue it, i wouldnt start from wc3 cuz blizzard started from wc3 to continue it in Wow, so the real history is now in wow (Wow = Wc3, so why making a new history). i dont understand why u try to make a false history, anyway.

maybe its a good idea too, to make a false history.

 

[TwistedImage]

Because WoW sends a bunch of rag-tag unnamed adventurers to kill every single main character in Warcraft.

 

[The World Is Flat]

The reason, kola, is that:

1. blizzard stated that if they made wc4, the would ignore wow lore.

2. Wow lore is horrendous and morphed to fit an mmo, completely incompatible and rediculous. heroes coming to kill arthas every day?

3. its hard to deal with and doesent fit a rts.

4. if we continued wow lore we would have to scrap everything so far

5. wow lore is still continuing, and we cant work on wc4 until wow is done

6. if we tried to make wc4 based off of wow, all units would have to be heroes, there would be no bl, there would be no rts strategy or campgains.

7. we are aiming at wc3 players. that have never played wow and dont want to.

8. -.-

Hope that cleared things up for you.

 

[Fussiler1]

Because WoW sends a bunch of rag-tag unnamed adventurers to kill every single main character in Warcraft.

Let's take Illidan as example.

Count an adventurer as a footman.
Maiev and Akama level 10.

Like, twenty footmen with two heroes of level 10 against one hero of level 20.

 

[Turminator8]

Let's take Illidan as example.

Count an adventurer as a footman.
Maiev and Akama level 10.

Like, twenty footmen with two heroes of level 10 against one hero of level 20.

That's not the point, (and I think Illidan would kick their ass ) the point is that Blizzard killed off main characters in WoW lore to fit an MMO style game. Most people don't like the LORE (not the gameplay) as much as WC3 lore, so we are ignoring WoW Lore.

 

[The World Is Flat]

And not to forget my list. :\

 

[TwistedImage]

Let's take Illidan as example.

Count an adventurer as a footman.
Maiev and Akama level 10.

Like, twenty footmen with two heroes of level 10 against one hero of level 20.

Except the two level 10 heroes do absolutely nothing >_>

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

K new WiP

 

[The World Is Flat]

Splendiferous. i like it.