WarChasers II: Vengeance

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Date: 16:59:53 21-Jun-12
Map Moderator: -Kobas-
Map Status: Approved 4/5
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Comment: Awesome old wc3 rpg like map.

 

[supertoinkz]

well, you MUST improve your description
tell us what you added

and from the looks of it, It prevents me from playing it

 

[takakenji]

well, you MUST improve your description
tell us what you added

and from the looks of it, It prevents me from playing it

then you're missing out on alot, it's a very enjoyable game and large upgrade from warchasers. custom spells, refined terrain, alot more. Don't judge a book by its cover

 

[Illidan_Hunter]

[2/5]
-Found alot of bugs;
-Not very original;
-The terrain is near the same;
-Creeps just changed the model;
-A bit laggy spells;

 

[Bribe]

Thank you guys for the tips! I have updated the description.

-Found alot of bugs;
-A bit laggy spells;

Could you please give me an example? I have not experienced any of these things.

 

[Aesthetics]

Awesome job!

Dude. That was !@#$ing awesome. I played through the whole thing. Here's my story...

My Story

I started off as Mumm'rah. I ended as Mumm'rah. Simple. One of us left early, so he was insignificant to our progress. Another one of us died at the tank part; a pity. The slow-motion epic ending was really epic. 2 of us slow-mo running into the portal, with the explanation that we're given a second chance at life, awesome. The music was also fit for that setting. It's the first time that a custom game made me show any sign of emotion.

Everything is great, except that one of Snake Aes's spell triggers are red lightning that connects from her and a certain point (it isn't destroyed properly). Other than that, great job! Every other aspect of the game is fine to me.

Rating: 5/5

Voted for...

Approval

 

[Illidan_Hunter]

Well I played with the Dark Ranger first (Snake Eye I think).When I tried to use her ultimate it didn't summon any skeleton, and it caused a red light betwen be and the target even if the targed died...and the red light didn't dissapear and caused mass laggs.
Another is the Naga Witch when I tried to use her 1st ability (don't remember the name) the game got bugged and I couln't move my hero anymore.
And others...

 

[Bribe]

Thank you for the tips, again. I've removed all of those glitches except...

I've been trying to incorporate the CallDestroyGroup custom script throughout my map, and I'm having some big glitches (group no longer works for the functions I need it to). It's either going to make me create an individual group-variable for each trigger, or it's going to make me remove all the custom destroygroup scripts if the glitching continues.

Has anyone some advice?

Edit: here's what happens - I have "GenericGroup" assigned to a unit group via "Set GenericGroup=all units in x region" and it works. In many events I need to call GenericGroup again, and it doesn't work at all. For example, when I send the player units to heaven, it's a "pick every unit" so I've read I need to destroy that unit group - thus I use GenericGroup again and destroy it. Making a customscript that destroys a unit group ARRAY causes terminal script failure in the World Editor.

 

[cikay]

Good map, i play in single mode.
And some nice secret

 

[Bribe]

After two more months of working on this map for hours every day, I am proud to present the masterpiece... Gambit Version!

 

[Ironside]

Don't double post, use edit button.

 

[Cyper95]

Well it doesn't really count as double posting after 48 hours...

 

[skamigo]

Played it, liked it, reviewing it

I played berserker guy, demon hunter model

Pros:
-nice terrain
-nice custom abilities, even tho not triggered, it was still fun enough to play
-items were nice, I liked the special item for my hero, which later could be upgraded, must say even after 2 upgrades, i could still pay to upgrade to get free levels (cost me 2500 each time tho)
-best custom warchasers I have played so far, I liked the start of the story showing how the old heroes died, also the notes on some of the items about the old heroes, a detail I liked.
-difficulty was pretty good balanced among the parts, even tho this probably depends on how much you creep till you destroy the building
-being able to buy ur mana, was a nice extra, and made the game a lot less boring so I could atleast keep using my abilities
-last boss fight was nice, battle changes depending on his hp, died 4 times before I could finish him

Cons:
-Near mid of the game the initiate abilities become near useless, you could either make more levels, or make some abilities str/agi/int based, even tho if you don't I woudn't mind, atleast you can buy that 15000 gold ultimate ability, which could be more imba
-Bug with unit that keeps respawning when you go left at the beginning, the knight keeps respamming at the fire, if I wanted I could leave my hero there and wait an hour and become level 20 or sumin with 10000 gold(didn't actually do this, just saying I could)

I probably have more pros and cons, but I think I mentioned the most important ones, I think the map deserves a 5/5, and +rep

 

[Bribe]

@ skamingo

Thanks for the review! A few things I wanted to clarify:

Custom abilities are heavily triggered, especially for your hero. Blade of Pain without triggers and without dummy units does nothing, and Blade Radio is one of the most trigger-intensive spells in the game.

The unlimited respawns in the beginning is not a bug, it's just that the enemy is teleporting in there so there's no spawn building.

Thanks for playing, I've been working on this map for maybe 5+ hours average per day since September! It's been a full-time job, and I hope this version will really kick off.

 

[Pszczolek]

I just have played your map, as the hero with Warden model, my friend was playing hero with Dark Ranger model. I enjoyed it for most time, but I see much room to improve it.

The remake of Warchasers terrain was done very well. Had some darker atmosphere, which is very good.

Hero I played was quite good to play, quite good abilities, however some were rather weak from midgame to lategame, because of only 4 levels and not scaling with attributes. Also they lacked offensive power (only acid bomb had some damage over time, and passive gave +50 to hero damage). It meant that later i the game it was mostly auto-attacking creeps, without using abilities much.

Bosses were made decently, however you could give them some more abilities. Also the last boss was mostly about attacking him, running back, healing, and repeating. It was rather boring, because he had much hp, so it took quite a few minutes of repeating the same not very interresting process over and over. Making him spell immune after some hp lost by him wasn't big deal, because ,as I stated it already, most abilities were weak in this stage of the game.

I liked the permanent usable items. They were very useful, especially the healing ones and earthquake. But there were also some bad things about items. First, most +attribute items were rather useless, because a lot of books drop, and usable items were just better. Also you get very much gold, which you cannot spend until the book giving bonus ability, which coupled with hero upgrade were only items worth buying (mby potions too). I suggest you add more useful items to the shops (it would be nice to have some choice in this matter, instead of just buying what's able), balance gold amount got by players, and price of Resurrection.

From the fact that you have a lot of gold, comes the very cheap price of Resurrection, which is one of the factors which make your map way too easy. I didn't care much about dying if I had unused 10k gold. Another factor was being able to get mass level at end of the game via "upgrade".

One little thing I nearly forgot is, that you play music as sound, so it can be turned off only via turning off all sounds. WC3 music is good, but on higher playing speed it can be annoying.

As for now I would rate your map 3/5, because it's entertaining, but also lacks some useful features, balance and polish.

I suggest, that you improve hero abilities, to make them useful in later stages of the game, add more items to choose, balance gold amounts and prices, improve bosses. After those improvements your map would be worth 4/5 or even 5/5.

On another note, as mapmaker myself I know the pain of working hundreds of hours to finish map. I started making one of my maps 2 years ago, but it's not finished yet, because of not being able to work on it each day (mby sometimes on holidays), and patch 1.24 (fu Blizzard!).

 

[Bribe]

This game is indefinitely postponed as there are too many irritations with the World Editor that I don't want to continue editing. In a few years I may start editing with the Galaxy Editor...

 

[Ken-E]

This looks new unlike other Warchasers, they'd stay too much the same, but this one looks like it had a remake which is very innovative of you. I'm gonna try this one soon.

 

[Bribe]

I am around 70% finished with updating this, a revival project I started last month.

New version will be coming out soon, though the lore will stay the same for now.

Features:

1. All in custom script.
2. It will be in vJass, but it will no longer require World Editor Unlimited which the currently-uploaded map depends on.
3. Mostly object-editor based hero spells will be replaced with some select spells from the Hive (I am open to suggestions here).
4. Map file size will be considerably smaller, as well as map loading time, though not cutting out any existing utility.
5. RAM consumption will be considerably less, as far fewer handles will be used now.
6. There will be an optimized version uploaded, as well as an unprotected. So you can see how it works as well as having the game ready-to-play.
7. The memory leaks which are in the current version will be completely gone in the new version.

 

[-Kobas-]

Interesting map, I like it, good old wc3 feeling
Can I suggest multiboard (Kills, deaths, gold, has resurrection etc) and some game settings (difficulties, random events, maybe some different terrain, or something related to heroes like, random pick or something like that)?

Recommended from now on.

 

[Allain55X]

WarChaser looks better with this map!!! +REP TO YOU!

 

[BPower]

Will you upload an unprotected version aswell, as mentioned 5 months ago?

 

[Bribe]

This map is not protected, one simply needs to use world editor unlimited to open it, or new gen with it enabled.

 

[Nightcrime]

Even though is a better Warchasers map, but its a little too repetitive! Nice to have someone remake the Warchasers! +rep

 

[deepstrasz]

It's real fun playing it though the terrain could be improved.
Also:
-black mask should be enabled (not for discovered points like resurrection stones or shops)
-earthshaker item does not have a cooldown in the description
-Beastknight's Infernal spell's description does not say that only one elemental can be summoned at a time
-earthquake from Earthshaker can be used to exploit some hard to reach creep buildings
-upgrading the spirit gem at the end takes money even after three upgrades and no more than 3 levels are actually given to the player

-what's the logic behind the final boss being able to kill you when he temporarily teleports anywhere on the map? I mean if he is so strong why do the players have to reach him instead of him directly killing the players?

The battle in the beginning is very well directed.

 

[Bribe]

Hi deepstrasz,

Hope you are doing well.

I no longer play or mod warcraft 3 and I appreciate your input, so please feel free to edit the map if you want to. I used World Editor Unlimited to make this map.

 

[deepstrasz]

I used World Editor Unlimited to make this map.

Hey thanks! I've been searching for a more advanced or at least different World Editor. Thanks for the tip. It seems my browser blocks the download of it from the site Wc3c.net saying it's a virus.

It's interesting that you still frequent the Hive since you're no longer interested in WCIII.

 

[Bribe]

Trust me, frequenting The Hive is a big difference than putting work into developing maps.

 

[Nicusor95]

I cant wait to play it. I played the official version a long time ago and was pretty good, so i have high expectations from this one either.

 

[konradt]

I had to quit because I couldn't stand the music for more than 1 minute. Also, the camera is uncomfortably close.

 

[MN Lahmar]

my ears are bleeding from that music! i had to mute Warcraft! i couldn't leave the game cuz i'm the one who invited my friends to play this map.
Damn! i'll be hearing that music looping in my dreams. How isn't this fixed after all these years lol
not to mention that the summoned dark minions have a higher priority than the hero who summoned them XD

Nice work though mate.

 

[Bribe]

I recommend Warchasers Remastered (WarChasers Remastered) over this tbh. This map has consumed literally thousands of hours of my life over the years and it's so convoluted I'd need to invest several hundred more hours to fix what's wrong with it. Not to mention it's made in World Editor Unlimited which doesn't work with the new patches.

 

[matias371]

Music with sound of game is not a good idea, but if you choose blade berserker in your team, you can change music at any moment. If you want to play solo for first time, I recommend to play with Mimic, the secret hero at the end of the hall, is fun to always get new spells for each lvl and he can change music too

 

[InSaNe_97]

Decent. Ic liketh it.

Too easy.

No tank phase, fourth of the map is missing.

Bad resource (mana, damage, gold, lumber...) management.

Naga Sea Witch has 4 almost useless Abilities, two works only if the hero dies, another, mana (ability), is useless as she only at the beginning runs out of mana and the first ability later deals less damage than the auto-attack (for the same amount of time), and the Multishot is overpowered, only the Ultimate is balanced.

Other heroes complained about balance issues too.

Heroes generally later do not need mana.

Buying 15.000 cost Tome multiple times does nothing, either make it upgradeable or not available after the first purchase.

Gold is only used at the very end, which is said nowhere, good surprise, I would leave it as that.

 

[Lew]

I passed it solo with Dark Ranger, it was fun, but i feel that more varied objects are needed. 4/5

 

[Otherknownoise]

I played this map like, about 10 years ago? Simple but nice, I really enjoyed it