Unit Experience

[Spectre4802]

Basically, a unit that 'levels' like a hero.
But not a hero.

So, it would kill something, and gain xp, and improve it's stats (in some way) but it wouldn't be a hero.

[I hope that makes the slightest bit of sense.]

So, question: how can I do it? (Werewolf: Transylvania has units that act exactly the way I want them to, so I know it's possible.)

 

[watermelon_1234]

One way you can do this is by using an ability. Whenever the unit kills something successfully, increase the ability and give it stats accordingly.

If you want to be more in control of how much experience you want the unit to gain (Like unit gains 20 exp from unit A but 40 exp from killing unit B), you'll probably need to make some kind of system that would involve hashtables if you want it to be MUI.

 

[Bond009]

Like in CHF xD

 

[GhostThruster]

Use dummy upgrades to increase health, mana, damage, armor and movement speed(similar to Strength/Health/Agility). Use some Integer variables for leveling up like this:
Event:
Complete quest, kill creep etc.
Conditions:
Type what you want
Actions:
Set UnitExpInteger = UnitExpInteger + <however much exp>
If - UnitExpInteger Greater Or Equal To UnitExpLevelup
Then -
Set UnitExpLevel = UnitExpLevel + 1
Set Level of <dummy upgrade that increases stats> to UnitExpLevel
Else -

Basically, when the UnitExpInteger(representing fake exp) reaches/surpasses its limit(which is represented by UnitExpLevelup), the unit 'levels up', increasing its stats with your dummy upgrade.

 

[supertoinkz]

You could make it in many ways.

1. Well, you could just add spellbooks (with the effects inside) and a dummy passive ability to show the effects.

2. You could use items to show the level and still spellbooks for effects, but it I wouldn't recommend it on melee/altered melee maps.

/@ Bond009 : CHF?

I'll look on this thread, because I'm in need of it too.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I've a nice veterancy system which you can have if you want. It counts the units the unit-like-hero killed and gives them abilities or upgrades the unit-like-hero (it's MUI and extremely simple to use and to copy).

 

[Spectre4802]

Thanks to watermelon_1234, GhostThruster and supertoinkz for your ideas. I'll try out all of those.

@[K40$]-Spectre: I would very much like to see your system. Could you provide a link?

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

@[K40$]-Spectre: I would very much like to see your system. Could you provide a link?

, here's the trigger (it's only 1):

• Veterancy
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Dies
  • Conditions
    • ((Killing unit) is A structure) Equal to False
  • Actions
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • (Custom value of (Killing unit)) Greater than or equal to 7
      • Then - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • (Custom value of (Killing unit)) Greater than or equal to 15
          • Then - Actions
            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
              • If - Conditions
                • (Custom value of (Killing unit)) Greater than or equal to 30
              • Then - Actions
                • Unit - Set level of Veterancy for (Killing unit) to 3
              • Else - Actions
                • Unit - Set level of Veterancy for (Killing unit) to 2
                • Unit - Set the custom value of (Killing unit) to ((Custom value of (Killing unit)) + 1)
          • Else - Actions
            • Unit - Add Veterancy to (Killing unit)
            • Unit - Set the custom value of (Killing unit) to ((Custom value of (Killing unit)) + 1)
      • Else - Actions
        • Unit - Set the custom value of (Killing unit) to ((Custom value of (Killing unit)) + 1)

I've it in my Augmentation Warfare map, tested it and works perfectly so far. As you might have noticed, I use the 'custom value' as the killing counter. Veterancy is an ability in my map, you can replace the 'Add Veterancy' and 'Set level of Veterancy' with other triggers (e.g. add ability 'Devotion Aura' or 'Shockwave').

 

[-SoulBurn]

Yeah, indeed simple. The problem here is if you want a unit-type to have that system. Like every footman. Then you should use hashtables and a more complex system. Specially if you got like thousand footmen in you map.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

The problem here is if you want a unit-type to have that system. Like every footman. Then you should use hashtables and a more complex system. Specially if you got like thousand footmen in you map.

, or you could just add a condition which checks the unit-type of the unit (or does it lag atm? / or not run smoothly?).

 

[-SoulBurn]

, or you could just add a condition which checks the unit-type of the unit (or does it lag atm? / or not run smoothly?).

LOL nevermind everything i said. I forgot that custom value is per unit, not per unit-type. Your trigger should do just fine

 

[Spectre4802]

@[K40$]-Spectre:
What is the Custom Value variable? Integer?

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

@[K40$]-Spectre:
What is the Custom Value variable? Integer?

, use -Search for text --> and type 'custom value' and than select the 'unit - set custom value'. I don't know what kind of trigger it is.

 

[Spectre4802]

Ah, ok.

 

[-SoulBurn]

Actually, custom value is the value of the unit in the score screen. It is used for calculating the Player's Unit Scores. There's a way of changing that value for single units or unit-types. But in custom games no one looks at the scores, so custom values got another uses

 

[Bond009]

@supertoinkz
CHF is this: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/custom-hero-footies-v3-3-a-163172/

 

[Spectre4802]

For some reason, it's not working :/

Could you guys look at it and see if anything's wrong? (Ignore the paladin.)

 

[-SoulBurn]

*Taking a look*

Edit: too simple, man =)
Your action that sets the custom value of the unit when it's under 5 is in the first if-then-else when it should be in the second ;p
The first one is the one of the structure, so everytime you kill a unit it will return true and the custom value will not increase. Just put it on the second and it will work. I tested

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Actually, custom value is the value of the unit in the score screen. It is used for calculating the Player's Unit Scores. There's a way of changing that value for single units or unit-types. But in custom games no one looks at the scores, so custom values got another uses

, ah thanks, that makes sense.

 

[watermelon_1234]

Actually, custom value is the value of the unit in the score screen. It is used for calculating the Player's Unit Scores. There's a way of changing that value for single units or unit-types. But in custom games no one looks at the scores, so custom values got another uses

The idea of custom value for scoring is wrong. By default, units have a custom value of 0 which means that the player's unit score would be always 0 unless the map maker had changed the custom value through triggers. The trigger editor also gives a description that "Custom values are only used in triggers, and can be used to store any integer value" which means that custom value itself doesn't really have an actual in-game effect.

Custom values are basically integers that can be attached and retrieved from a unit. There's only one custom value for each unit so usually custom value is used in unit indexing like AutoIndex.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

The idea of custom value for scoring is wrong. By default, units have a custom value of 0 which means that the player's unit score would be always 0 unless the map maker had changed the custom value through triggers. The trigger editor also gives a description that "Custom values are only used in triggers, and can be used to store any integer value" which means that custom value itself doesn't really have an actual in-game effect.

Custom values are basically integers that can be attached and retrieved from a unit. There's only one custom value for each unit so usually custom value is used in unit indexing like AutoIndex.

, actually that makes even more sese ^^. And yes, now that you mention it, the trigger editor indeed gives that description.

 

[-SoulBurn]

The idea of custom value for scoring is wrong. By default, units have a custom value of 0 which means that the player's unit score would be always 0 unless the map maker had changed the custom value through triggers. The trigger editor also gives a description that "Custom values are only used in triggers, and can be used to store any integer value" which means that custom value itself doesn't really have an actual in-game effect.

Custom values are basically integers that can be attached and retrieved from a unit. There's only one custom value for each unit so usually custom value is used in unit indexing like AutoIndex.

Well, i read somewhere that in melee maps custom values are used for score purposes. Well, guess i can not trust everything i read on forums lol.
My bad, sry for the mistake

 

[Spectre4802]

too simple, man =)
Your action that sets the custom value of the unit when it's under 5 is in the first if-then-else when it should be in the second ;p
The first one is the one of the structure, so everytime you kill a unit it will return true and the custom value will not increase. Just put it on the second and it will work. I tested

Gah! How could I get that wrong >.<

Thanks a lot, SoulBurn. I might never have figured that out.