Townhall | Warcraft Classic HD

[ERIOL33]

sick ths is the true Classic HD i hope u do a hole pack !

 

[LongbowMan]

sick ths is the true Classic HD i hope u do a hole pack !

I hope so too! I could really use some help, though - conversion and animations take so much effort
Edit: spelling

 

[YourArthas]

No words to say. Looks exactly the same as original but HD. Going directly to Rebirth.

 

[Kyrbi0]

This is what it should've been. Good work.

 

[Pandaprewmaster325]

what reforged should have been.

 

[Nyctaeus]

Reforged/Classic HD as it should have been. Blizzard failed, you did not. Impressive accuracy with source material and asset quality. It screams "Warcraft 3".

 

[Nortuega]

beautiful

 

[Volsung]

Pleasure for the eyes. It's physically enjoyable to watch.

 

[FlameofChange]

That's the fokin HD we all wanted !
The file size is still a bit too big for my taste, but it has leverage to be improved.

 

[The_Silent]

What a nice spruce up!

 

[GAQ]

Stunning works

 

[LongbowMan]

That's the fokin HD we all wanted !
The file size is still a bit too big for my taste, but it has leverage to be improved.

What do you think would be a proper file size? I may be able to optimize it a bit, at some point

 

[YourArthas]

What do you think would be a proper file size? I may be able to optimize it a bit, at some point

If you decide to please leave the unedited ones for HD lovers like me that'll use local files.

 

[LongbowMan]

If you decide to please leave the unedited ones for HD lovers like me that'll use local files.

Don't worry, I won't cut anything that impacts current appearance, level of detail will stay the same. I think it may be possible to optimize animations - sanity check states there are some repeating frames in tracks, for example. Though I doubt it will win a lot of weight.

 

[Hana Linh]

I hope you can remake HumanTower

 

[YourArthas]

I hope you can remake HumanTower

Sc2 has towers remade. They look exactly the same as this style

 

[Yousef]

This is what reforged should've been, splendid work, I would definitely donate to you if I wasn't broke!

 

[Wind Rose]

Simply excellent work.

 

[Xelos]

wonderfull textures pal, this is exactly what blizzard should done when he added new patch instead those fake promo pictures of high ress pictures of warcraft 3, they needs to learn from you

 

[FlameofChange]

What do you think would be a proper file size? I may be able to optimize it a bit, at some point

Take that with a bag of salt (my own tears) since I have the bias to optimize the shit out of my stuff to waste no kb (and 8Mb map limit before 1.28)
For a SD model 50-100Kb is the sweet spot, but I can tolerate up to 400kb with textures for good quality and lots of juicy animations.
A 3 tier building could tickle the 500kb but that's my upper limit. For your HD I would tolerate 1Mb.

 

[LongbowMan]

Take that with a bag of salt (my own tears) since I have the bias to optimize the shit out of my stuff to waste no kb (and 8Mb map limit before 1.28)
For a SD model 50-100Kb is the sweet spot, but I can tolerate up to 400kb with textures for good quality and lots of juicy animations.
A 3 tier building could tickle the 500kb but that's my upper limit. For your HD I would tolerate 1Mb.

I see, thanks for the details! I don't think I will ever be able to squeeze it in 1mb without cutting everything down to the original level of detail
I already cleaned lots of unnesessary geosets (the og had insane amounts of repeating geometry). On the bright side, half of thi bundle's size comes from textures - and they can and will be reused in ther models for Classic HD.

 

[Hana Linh]

Sc2 has towers remade. They look exactly the same as this style

Could you please share more specifics with me?

 

[ERIOL33]

Ubersplats Reworked i hope u like it if u need more like this talk to me on dm-pm here on Hive

 

[LongbowMan]

Ubersplats Reworked i hope u like it if u need more like this talk to me on dm-pm here on Hive

It's not exactly a rework, it's an AI pass. I already did several AI passes with the original ones and then repainted them by hand to remove inconsistencies and match colors and shapes.

Could you please share more specifics with me?

He's talking about the anniversary mod for Starcraft II that included some remastered Warcraft 3 assets. They're pretty neat but I treat them as a reference rather than something that is already done. I also don't remember seeing them posted anywhere in mdx format but I guess some people had them converted from SC2.

 

[ERIOL33]

It's not exactly a rework, it's an AI pass. I already did several AI passes with the original ones and then repainted them by hand to remove inconsistencies and match colors and shapes.

He's talking about the anniversary mod for Starcraft II that included some remastered Warcraft 3 assets. They're pretty neat but I treat them as a reference rather than something that is already done. I also don't remember seeing them posted anywhere in mdx format but I guess some people had them converted from SC2.

oh oh ok let me put some effort on this i tried too a lot of ai passes too but can i give u options if u want

 

[LongbowMan]

oh oh ok let me put some effort on this i tried too a lot of ai passes too but can i give u options if u want

Taking someone's work to an AI upscaler and positioning it as an improvement somewhat devalues all the man-hours that were put in the original piece. Only a small part of it is AI upscale - there's a lot of manual work behind this texture: handpainting, color correction, careful design choices etc. What I'm saying is that if you think there is space for improvement, your feedback is much more welcome than retouch, especially one done by online AI upscaler.

 

[Syczewski]

Lookin' hot! Keep it up, mate!

 

[ERIOL33]

Taking someone's work to an AI upscaler and positioning it as an improvement somewhat devalues all the man-hours that were put in the original piece. Only a small part of it is AI upscale - there's a lot of manual work behind this texture: handpainting, color correction, careful design choices etc. What I'm saying is that if you think there is space for improvement, your feedback is much more welcome than retouch, especially one done by online AI upscaler.

sorry if my reply was not well understood I meant that I will put more effort to do something more by my hand using as reference the style that gives me the ia at no time has been my intention to discredit the work of another person or do and sorry if I have offended you with what I showed I gave it a spin and if I also saw something maybe disrespectful being ai

 

[LongbowMan]

sorry if my reply was not well understood I meant that I will put more effort to do something more by my hand using as reference the style that gives me the ia at no time has been my intention to discredit the work of another person or do and sorry if I have offended you with what I showed I gave it a spin and if I also saw something maybe disrespectful being ai

No problem, and no offence taken, I appreciate your enthusiasm

 

[LongbowMan]

Updated texture: VillageDoodad1.blp

 

[FlameofChange]

While I'm at it, some suggestions
☼ Open all the doors and the windows during work animations
☼ Add golden mist on all of the doors and windows during work animation (except from the arches)
☼ Reduce texture size, it's almost half the weight (unless we do it ourselves)
☼ Since death second and death third are almost lookalike, make the third fancier with elements from the castle (but that's a detail)

 

[LongbowMan]

☼ Open all the doors and the windows during work animations
☼ Add golden mist on all of the doors and windows during work animation (except from the arches)

Those are valid suggestions but I don't plan to add custom stuff to animations until I finish all buildings. Better have more of them remastered than a couple super polished ones.

☼ Reduce texture size, it's almost half the weight (unless we do it ourselves)

What do you propose? It's a big atlas, yes, but the texel density is already quite low.

☼ Since death second and death third are almost lookalike, make the third fancier with elements from the castle (but that's a detail)

I'm not sure I understood you. Do you propose to make a custom sound for this model?

 

[YourArthas]

I think one thing that must be understood is this is purist hd without reforging.

 

[LongbowMan]

Also worth mentioning: I have to spend most of my time on actual work (as a 3D artist) - and while I employ the same amount of effort and hard skills for this hobby - this project is ambitious, and I have certain limits. I very much appreciate constructive feedback - as for suggestions and requests, they go very well with tips or paid subscription.

 

[FlameofChange]

I'm not sure I understood you. Do you propose to make a custom sound for this model?

I am not. I was talking about the building remnant we briefly see before it collapses. The model in death first and death second is almost the same.

 

[LongbowMan]

I am not. I was talking about the building remnant we briefly see before it collapses. The model in death first and death second is almost the same.

My bad, I read "death sound" instead of "death second". They are indeed identical. Tbh, even adding a second variation was a contrversial point for me, since the original has only one death, and I stick to original animations when possible. But since I already made alterations, maybe I will add a part or two from the Castle in Death Second later on - it will be a nice touch.

 

[LongbowMan]

Hey all, I'm having some troubles with importing splats through custom files - if anyone has any ideas, help me out, will you?

[Import] - Replace standard ubersplats with local files

I could use some help with Ubersplats, they drive me crazy! When I'm using Local Files to replace regular models and textures, everything works just fine - they are replaced both in the game and in the editor, overwriting war3 and war3x mpqs. However, I can't make the my custom splats work. I...

www.hiveworkshop.com

Update: I figured it myself and wrote the solution in case anyone needs this info.

 

[LongbowMan]

New update!​

Improved VillageDoodad1_HD.blp (used in Decay), minor improvements in Work effects. Textures now have _HD postfix, for modding reasons - so they don't overwrite the original textures if you replace assets with local files.

 

[Villagerino]

Damn, this is so neat. And this is how remastered WC3 could look (I always wondered why they didn't use HotS graphics, especially when their models can be perfectly imported). When you finish with vanilla models, lay your hands on custom models, please

 

[PotatoLich]

I pray you finish this work and don't quit or burn out. It looks too good - exactly what Blizzard's embarrassment should have been.
Gotta subscribe to your boosty, damn.

 

[EmirDaud]

This is a great work, along with kenshi mod. Blizzard should not outsourced the work to Lemonsky Studio. The community was already here and could do a far better job, even faster and cheaper with just a few people from Hive.

Btw are you planning to redo all 4 races buildings?

 

[LongbowMan]

This is a great work, along with kenshi mod. Blizzard should not outsourced the work to Lemonsky Studio. The community was already here and could do a far better job, even faster and cheaper with just a few people from Hive.

Btw are you planning to redo all 4 races buildings?

That's plenty of work, but the idea is to redo everything, eventually. If I don't manage it - well, hopefully, by that time I will produce enough to pave the direction.
Right now, I'm wrking on a Farm, for example:

Farm - Longbowman

Back to buildings. This farm house may look simple but it's a staple of human economy, and probably one of the most iconic buildings. / Вернёмся к задниям. Этот деревенский домик может выглядеть простовато, но он - основа экономики людей и одно из самых узнаваемых зданий.

boosty.to

 

[LongbowMan]

New update!​

Finalized VillageDoodad1_HD.blp (used in Decay), replaced Doodads0.blp with HumanBirth.blp that has only stuff used for construction now.

 

[_lycan]

You are legit a genius, wow.

 

[LongbowMan]

Additional variations of Townhall splats have finally arrived!

 

[LongbowMan]

New version!​

• Team color fixes*, following this discussion;
• Changes to texture paths**, based on this poll;
• Improved Decay animations, with ruins gradually disappearing;
• Various fixes, mostly sanity checker warnings.

* Team color now has a 10% of unshaded layer to make it a bit more visible at night and bring closer to units and buildings with brighter values.
** Models now have longer texture paths, relative to the originals. Example: Buildings\Undead\SlaughterHouse\SlaughterHouse.blp. This was done for modding purposes, because War3HD assets are made to replace the classic models using local files.