The horus heresy and resulting theories.

[Gespenst]

This thread is for talking about Chaos marine and Loyalist marine histories and theories, like the missing legions, chaos xenos and the like.

 

[HailFireer]

Great. I know wery little about them, so I cant wait what you guys have to say

 

[Tyranid]

Just a little fun fact: In currect lore Alpha Legion are not exactly Chaos. They turned to the side of Horus and his traitor Marines because their Primarchs (the Alpha Legion actually had 2 Primarchs, Alpharius and Omegon, usually referred to as simply Alpharius Omegon) was contacted by an alien organization known as the Cabal.

The Cabal showed Alpharius Omegon visions of the future; if the Emperor was to live throught the heresy humanity's existence would be ensured for ten or twenty thousand years of decay before they and the galaxy were consumed by Chaos. If Horus won humanity would perish in few decades taking Chaos to the grave with them (chaos is very dependant of humanity).

Of course the Emperor won in the end and the Cabal deemed their mission failed and they dissapeared or broke up.

 

[Gespenst]

Get your degree in space marine lore, Start here!

 

[Gespenst]

The Horus Heresy

Once the emperor decided he wanted some friends, so he went into stem-cell research and made 20 buddies. So Chaos sent them every way hoping that at least half of them wouldn't suck.

Then a few years later the Emperor stops and thinks about where his 20 buddies went, and with his mutant powers found each and every one of them.

They followed him because they were dum and didnt know any better, but it took a grievous wound and a screwed up health-care system to make Horus see the light. THE GLORIOUS LIGHT OF CHAOS!

Well, then Horus takes the other 8 not-so-dumb Primarchs and fights the Emperor and his nine "pretty-marine legions", and then the Emperor used his H4x to kill the great Horus, but horus uses his l337 skills and injures the Emperor, so the emperor had to get hooked up to the portal-turned-super-life-force-chair. The emperor is kept alive by thousands of soul sacrifices.

Then the survivors of the horus heresy becomes our beloved Chaos Space Marines.

 

[HailFireer]

I hate chaos. They are so ugly (thats why i hate em ^^)
And in Imperioum it wouls suck to be a psicker. Thousends of psickers die every day to ceap the emperor alive. Plus they are in a fremzy to serve the emperor (by praing and dieng from overpraing). SM are simular but they get to kill stuff ^^.

 

[Warhunter]

That's right Hailfireer.

 

[Crusad3r91]

As it appears to me, Chaos is just perversion, madness and evil. I don't need any other reason. No Chaos for me. D=
And, just a pair of words on Horus: his soul was annihilated by the Emperor (with the Chaos Gods escaping in terror from him) and his body was destroyed by Abaddon, preventing him to be cloned, who insulted him.
Annihilated and insulted: that's Horus.
Venerated and still powerful: that's the Emperor. =D

 

[Tyranid]

Actually, Brainless and a vegetable: That's the Emperor suits him better at his current state.

 

[Mechanical Man]

If we are talking about Chaos, aren't Tau somehow partially immune to them by not having those psyker abiities? (well they can still be hurt by their weapons yes )

 

[Crusad3r91]

To Tyranid: yes, but he's still alive and powerful... ^^

To Mechanical Man: Tau do seem to be immune to Warp, but Ethereals are actually affected by it. The only way to corrupt Tau is to corrupt the Ethereals.

 

[Gespenst]

In the wh40k universe, gods are created by sentient life. Whether Unconsciencely(chaos gods) or by continual prayer, which is causing the Emperor to form a new body in the warp. When the emperor eventually dies, it is probable that he will be reborn as a god thanks to the sustained worship of his people.

And the tau are acually the only justified race. They do things for good, not for themselves(like humans).

 

[Tyranid]

Actually, the Tau do have a warp presence thus they can be damaged by the warp. However their presence in the warp is so incredibly small that Chaos does not even bother trying to corrupt them. Besides the Tau at their current point are a minor threat.

You can be affected and damaged by the warp even if you are not a Psyker. As long as you have any sort of warp presence you can be damaged by it. The only things that do not have a warp presence are the C'tan (pure energy beings) and Pariahs/Blanks.

 

[Crusad3r91]

I actually don't like Tau since they fight for the "Greater Good" but they still attack imperial worlds, suppress riots in blood, etcetc... I know, the Imperials do the same, but they do not say they are fighting for the "Greater Good"... ^^
My humble opinion, of course.

Back to the Space Marines, is it true that Horus feared the Ultramarines?

 

[Gespenst]

Not it is not. Only Real heretics say he did.

 

[Warhunter]

I like Chaos in the "medieval" type Warhammer. They have the coolest armor. ^^
But I don't like them in Warhammer 40k.
And I also like Tau a bit for thier high technology. They easily kill enemies. Like Necron.

 

[Tyranid]

Tau technology is actually not all that great. Their technology is more stable than others thought. For example the Tau Plasma Weaponry isn't all that great compared to Imperial Plasma weaponry. Tau Plasma Weaponry does not overheat thought. Also they are not all that great against Necrons either.

Tau Space technology isn't very advanced either and they don't have anything like Warp Technology or something to make up for it.

 

[Gespenst]

Tyranid, I played Tau in dark crusade and their broadside's minced Necron Warriors and Flayers up. (Broadsides entrenched while Shielded fire warriors cover them.)

And the Warhammer Fantasy chaos has a more rubric feel, More distinct from the southern empire.

40k chaos felt like a subfaction of the empire rather than their own whole.

Chaos is still great, in any case.

 

[Crusad3r91]

Solar pulse? ^^

 

[Tyranid]

Yes... because Dawn of War has close to lore stats for units <_<

 

[Gespenst]

I spread my broadsides apart and far away.

When I play chaos I usually send in a mix of cultists, space marines, and Raptors/Berserkers, with maybe some defiler support fire and horrors.

 

[Gespenst]

The four Chaos gods:

Tzeench, God of change and magic. His dedicated legion is the Thousand Sons legion. Followers of tzeench will show change or magic in one way or another; from shifting sands of a body to an unstable mind to rampant mutations. His followers kill in his name by changing things forcefully and violently

Nurgle, god of decay, disease, and rot. His dedicated legion is the Death Guard legion. Typical followers display rampant disease and mutual rot, the bodies of zombies, and are unable to feel pain. His followers kill in his name and glorify him with the death rot of both his enimies and his followers.

 

[Gespenst]

Khorne god of bloodshed and destruction. His dedicated legion is the World Eaters. Typical traits of his followers display maddening bloodlust and indiscriminate wrath. Khorne is glorified by the act of battle and bloodshed itself.

Slaanesh, god of excesses, pleasure, and pain. His/her dedicated legion is the Emperor's Children. Typical followers will revel in both pain and pleasure, some may even display hermaphoditism after their god. Foll owers who kill in his/her name glorify by the pain from dying and the pleasure from killing.

 

[wereguy2]

Ooo, I love chaos lore (The daemonic side of it anyway).
Tzeench is so cool :3, so is nurgle, his manifestation is ridiculously big (Larger than every ocean in the universe, as the Chaos Daemon codex put it), yet hes all happy ^^

 

[HailFireer]

About Tau preasance in the Warp. It is sed thet theyr minds barely register in the warp, so tey dont know anything about it. They conducted research, and decided it is not good for them. Thats why they dont have warp based space travel technology.

And warp enteties can only come to material world throout pskickers minde, or an individual controled by an enslaver.

But I'm interested in Illuminants. What are theyr chances of sucess?

 

[wereguy2]

Tau have no presence in the warp, except for mutated individuals, and cannot actually be corrupted (by chaos) or become psykers/daemonhosts

 

[Tyranid]

What? Tau do have a presence in the warp. Every race except C'tan and Blanks/Pariahs have a presence in the warp. The Tau's presence is just so minimal that it's difficult to corrupt. Also the Tau do not possess the Psyker gene so it's impossible for them to become psykers.

 

[HailFireer]

Red the lore. Theyr minds barely register in the warp. And thats not enaff to curropt them...

 

[Crusad3r91]

Tau can be corrupted (very rarely though), usually by Tzeench, who can corrupt the Ethereal: with him under his control, Tau can be easily deceived.

But even some VERY rare humans have no presence in the warp: they are, somehow, soulless, aren't they? And they are usually selected for becoming Culexus assassins.

 

[Tyranid]

Crusader, you are talking about Blanks/Pariahs, as in people with the Pariah gene (mean they have no soul). Because they have no soul they have no presence in the warp and thus they are also VERY effective against psykers because Pyskers can't sense them and Blanks are immune to warp attacks.

And yeah, the Pariahs usually become Culexus Assassins, althought sometimes Necrons can get their hands on them and dip them in metal and make them into to Pariahs (Necron Troops).

 

[Crusad3r91]

Yes, I read about the Pariah gene... so the Pariah isn't just a Necron unit but a condition in which the subject has no soul? I thought "Pariah" only referred to the Necrons.

 

[Tyranid]

Well, humans with the Pariah gene are usually called Blanks, althought sometimes they are called Pariahs too. So the Pariah is more than just the Necron unit. It's a person with the Pariah Gene.

 

[HailFireer]

So, if your a human, and you die, your soul goes to warp. What happens with it then?

 

[Tyranid]

It goes to the part which the Emperor controls if you were faithful. If you weren't it will probably dissapear or be destroyed by daemons. For chaos followers their souls go to their dedicated god. Pariahs go nowhere as they have no soul.

 

[HailFireer]

So what do you get for having a soul. What do you get in that afterlife, wher your protected by that chield (thats how the emperor in warp is colled "something chield"). It sounds wery good to NOT have a soul.

 

[Tyranid]

You get to go to the emperor or any god you worshipped. That's the reward. It hasn't been expanded on much.

 

[HailFireer]

Yes. And you just sit there for an iternaty. And if your with emperor, when he dies or is revived your soul wil ldie cuz he wont be there to protect.

 

[Tyranid]

Who said you will be conscious there at all? Also I'm fairly sure that the Emperor has left a permament mark in the Warp, especially since he is worshipped so much. So even if he dies or is revived (like that is going to happen) his part of the warp will still remain.

 

[HailFireer]

So, haveing or not having a soul makes no diference. Maybe not having one is beater.

As for reviving the emperor the Illuminants have a plan. Read on Lexicanum. Aldo chances of suxes are rather slim.

 

[Tyranid]

The Illuminati, the Star Child and the Sensei are old and obsolote fluff/lore now.

 

[HailFireer]

Realy? Why?

 

[Tyranid]

Most likely because they didn't sound all that good to most of the fans or Games Workshop just thought that they weren't such a good idea after all.

 

[Crusad3r91]

So, haveing or not having a soul makes no diference. Maybe not having one is beater.

I'm rather sure that it would be FAR much better to have a soul than the opposite. If I'm right, the Warp is a "place of emotions" and I wouldn't be surprised if you could live any kind of emotion you want there.

 

[HailFireer]

Bah, who need emotions. They make you "emo".

 

[Crusad3r91]

They don't.

 

[Warhunter]

They don't.

 

[Velmarshal]

Yes they do.

 

[Warhunter]

2vs2... -.-

 

[Pyramidhe@d]

necrons dont have emotions and they are like the most emo-est race
they are always like "omg, death is the best"

 

[Velmarshal]

I was joking, guys.