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By that logic I have a giant banana man with a lasso and an on/off button living under my house.
And you can't state I haven't, because no one has seen him or disproven his existence.
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By that logic I have a giant banana man with a lasso and an on/off button living under my house.
And you can't state I haven't, because no one has seen him or disproven his existence.
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Thanks pharaoh... btw
We believe Wind exist even though we don't see because we can feel it. Just like it.. we did not see God but he exist because of his creation..
BTW I just want to clarify..
What marriage are we talking about?.. More on religion or not?
Because if on religion this will not be approve but IF MORE ON LEGAL MATTERS THIS WOULD SURELY BE APPROVED..
Again gay marriage is just for society acceptance nothing more nothing less..
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No. We can measure it. Ergo it exists.
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Marriage as unity of two same-sex people. You're free to go through any "type". I realize why you make a distinction, but eventually they will be married, regardless of the authority.
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The noise in the quad receded as the crowd dispersed. Matty was left with Jake, who looked at him and shrugged. "Well, we tried. I guess that's it."
"Good thing we've got each other, huh?" Matty elbowed Jake, shoving him sideways.
"Oh yeah, no question." Jake pushed back. "Wanna go make out?"
In a split second, Matty flashed on a rush of images and sensations. Jake's lips landing on his. Jake's tongue sliding over them.
Matty shook his head like a dog getting water out of its ears. What was that? Just in time, he stopped himself from sniffing his pits. Jake was waiting for the comeback. Matty obliged. "Lead the way, my hot same sex lover."
They went to Jake's house after school and played video games for three hours. They didn't talk about Jenna. For the first time in days, things were normal. More or less. When Jake's mom came home, Matty took off, glad to get out of there.
He went home and jerked off furiously. He thought about Jenna's mouth, her nipples, her tight, beautiful ass under his hands, being squeezed by her. Her sarcastic words echoed in his ears. "You two should date each other." He blocked out Jenna's voice, stroking harder.
His inner porno futzed, faded and came back, Blu-ray quality. Jake's hands on the game controls. Jake's arm wrapped around his neck as they wrestled. If you want to take our bromance to the next level, you're going to have to get me drunk first, you little slut.
God, yes. What else? The way Jake smelled when he'd just showered after football. In the shower: the muscles in Jake's shoulders moving as he reached for a towel.
He'd never seen Jake's dick, not up close anyway, but that needn't stop him. He thought about Jake's dick rubbing against his own. Jake's dick in his mouth. Good. Getting closer.
Jake buried in his ass, balls-deep. Jake's green eyes locked on his. Matty exploded, coming hard.
He stared at the ceiling, Kleenex wadded on his stomach, dick twitching, slowly shrinking. Holy fuck.
"Good thing we've got each other, huh?" Matty elbowed Jake, shoving him sideways.
"Oh yeah, no question." Jake pushed back. "Wanna go make out?"
In a split second, Matty flashed on a rush of images and sensations. Jake's lips landing on his. Jake's tongue sliding over them.
Matty shook his head like a dog getting water out of its ears. What was that? Just in time, he stopped himself from sniffing his pits. Jake was waiting for the comeback. Matty obliged. "Lead the way, my hot same sex lover."
They went to Jake's house after school and played video games for three hours. They didn't talk about Jenna. For the first time in days, things were normal. More or less. When Jake's mom came home, Matty took off, glad to get out of there.
He went home and jerked off furiously. He thought about Jenna's mouth, her nipples, her tight, beautiful ass under his hands, being squeezed by her. Her sarcastic words echoed in his ears. "You two should date each other." He blocked out Jenna's voice, stroking harder.
His inner porno futzed, faded and came back, Blu-ray quality. Jake's hands on the game controls. Jake's arm wrapped around his neck as they wrestled. If you want to take our bromance to the next level, you're going to have to get me drunk first, you little slut.
God, yes. What else? The way Jake smelled when he'd just showered after football. In the shower: the muscles in Jake's shoulders moving as he reached for a towel.
He'd never seen Jake's dick, not up close anyway, but that needn't stop him. He thought about Jake's dick rubbing against his own. Jake's dick in his mouth. Good. Getting closer.
Jake buried in his ass, balls-deep. Jake's green eyes locked on his. Matty exploded, coming hard.
He stared at the ceiling, Kleenex wadded on his stomach, dick twitching, slowly shrinking. Holy fuck.
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Why should anyone give a damn about what your god says? You're a terrible person if you think that laws should be set according to your "god". But hey, you know who else thinks like you? Isis, Al Qaeda, and other Jihadists. Maybe you should start your own Christian terrorist organization and start executing people who disagree with you.
I invoke Russel's teapot and burden of proof. And I don't think we should respect stupid and discriminating beliefs. We can criticize people for their political views and taste in music etc., why is religion a protected topic?
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The concept of marriage does not originate from the bible. It's exact origin is unknown, but is has existed since way before Christianity, mostly as a social convention. In religion, christians aren't the only ones who practice marriage either. The only reason marriage is thought to be a christian tradition is because Christianity currently is the ruling religion, and has been so for a long time in the western world, which is, arguably, the cultural center of the planet.
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It's not a protected topic, I simply decided to withdraw from it, because the thread derails. Also I don't think you and I or anyone else hold any power to tell someone what to believe in and what not. Faith is a really complex matter and when you try hard to go into the root of the person's thinking, you will not find a personally structured argument. This doesn't mean that it is unacceptable or subject to criticism. What is more, his opinion is terrible to you, not the person.
Also, for someone who 'invokes' philosophical cards like YugiOh monsters, your statement "Maybe you should start your own Christian terrorist organization and start executing people who disagree with you." completely violates your attempt. You are jumping to conclusions really easily, which are products of stereotypes, if you think that someone's mindset, inspired by his religion, will imply terrorism. Plus, you're losing the fight of your struggle, which is to strike through stereotypes and prejudices.
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I don't think religion is at all that complex matter, there isn't any magic behind it.
I don't believe it either, but I also think that anyone who gets offended by someone criticizing their religion is a silly sod.
I was purposefully exaggerating... The point is that neo_sluf has the same mindset as those fanatics, only to a slighter degree. If there were enough people like him, they would force those religious doctrines down our throat.
I don't believe it either, but I also think that anyone who gets offended by someone criticizing their religion is a silly sod.
I was purposefully exaggerating... The point is that neo_sluf has the same mindset as those fanatics, only to a slighter degree. If there were enough people like him, they would force those religious doctrines down our throat.
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if you think that marriage is a concept that comes from the bible then why does every other religion have some form of marriage?
marriage does have its origins in religion. It used to be that you could only marry people from your chuch, be it catholic or protestant or whatever. Or if your jewish, can only marry other jews, muslims can only marry other muslims, etc etc. these days if a muslim decides to marry a christian, the government isnt gonna step in and say no as long as its one man and one woman.
every religion has its own marriage ritual. Here in the USA its sort of become like christmas. You can be an atheist and still get someone a xmas gift and still hang out with your family on christmas day. Because its more about family then it is about religion.
marriage does have its origins in religion. It used to be that you could only marry people from your chuch, be it catholic or protestant or whatever. Or if your jewish, can only marry other jews, muslims can only marry other muslims, etc etc. these days if a muslim decides to marry a christian, the government isnt gonna step in and say no as long as its one man and one woman.
every religion has its own marriage ritual. Here in the USA its sort of become like christmas. You can be an atheist and still get someone a xmas gift and still hang out with your family on christmas day. Because its more about family then it is about religion.
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Source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#History_of_marriage said:
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marriage as we know it today in western culture was largely influenced by religion is what i meant. But yes marriage does pre-date history.
i support gay marriage, for the record.
i support gay marriage, for the record.
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I support separating the state from marriage completely.
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Ok Nuclear I wil not insist my belief in you..
I am not saying that I am a future teller or a prophet but again based on the bible...
A time will come when the politics will rule over the religion and the world will attempt to remove the Religion from this world cause it hinders their plans just like this. And if that time comes gay marriage will be more acceptable In the society and by all the people.. cause as we all know religion is ruling the mind of people right now and people "who believe in religion will think GAY MARRIAGE is not normal and it is immoral".
But for now we can tell that not all people accept gay marriage. Like in the Philippines.
I am not saying that I am a future teller or a prophet but again based on the bible...
A time will come when the politics will rule over the religion and the world will attempt to remove the Religion from this world cause it hinders their plans just like this. And if that time comes gay marriage will be more acceptable In the society and by all the people.. cause as we all know religion is ruling the mind of people right now and people "who believe in religion will think GAY MARRIAGE is not normal and it is immoral".
But for now we can tell that not all people accept gay marriage. Like in the Philippines.
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I'd have to think about the repercussions more, but I think I can agree with you here.
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it's not an excuse, it's a justification. because if it doesn't hurt anyone else then there are no consequences. perhaps what you mean to say is that the argument is a faulty concept, due to being idealistic and impractical, ie) something always ends up hurting something else. i wud agree with this, because every fucking thing has consequences. you're not saying anything smart, you're just saying "be careful guiz... stuff can happen if gay marriage is legalised" without even stating what that stuff is (because there is little-to-no stuff), not to mention even the possibility of said stuff happening (because there is little-to-no chance of any of the hazardous stuff occuring). but feel free to enlighten me on the potential repercussions that gay marriage will cause.
as for everything you listed that i presume you believe to be analogous to gay marriage, you're wrong because all those things have very realistic and predictable implications that adversely affect 'you and others'.
firstly, *straw man. secondly, it's not even a straw man argument. a straw man argument would involve myself exaggerating or distorting your argument, then attacking that. i didn't do that, in fact your rephrased response brings me to the exact same point; you can love someone without accepting them (though i highly doubt you have any love for gay people if u dont support their equality).
what the fuck are you on about... nothing in this thread is philosophical. even so, you took my response out of context; that aside was merely to ward us away from an off-topic and potentially derailing argument over what we classify as 'natural'.
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It's quite simple, really.
Without the state sanctioning certain kinds of marriage, which will always differ depending on our current collective political views, culture etc. religious and secular groups alike will be left to handle these matters themselves as they see please.
Yes, this will inevitably lead to homosexuals and other minorities being allowed to "marry" in the sense that they can write a legal contract to share property and inherit each other and whatever else a marriage actually contains from a legal PoV. However, the Christian marital ceremony will of course remain in churchs' hands, and they can wed, or choose not to wed, anyone they see please.
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I live in the Philippines and I say let them marry. Just pay your taxes and don't be involved in any criminal activity.
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but for me i will support the same sex marriage...
but not all people like this........
in Christian region.... same sex marriage is immoral
but i dunno in other region
but not all people like this........
in Christian region.... same sex marriage is immoral
but i dunno in other region
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That'd be kinda hard since marriage affects your taxes, shared property/debts, and adoptions. I support separating the church from marriage.
So basically just make the process harder, longer and have people wanting to marry hire a lawyer to prepare the contract instead of just secular marriage. What a great idea! Besides, how would then contract give the couple the benefits or marriage? You can't force other people (or the government in this case) to give you benefits or free stuff by signing a contract that they had no part in. Well, if you can, I'll prepare a contract that makes you owe me 100€ and sign it myself.
Why not instead do it like it currently is, but legalize gay marriage?
=> People who want to marry can either marry in the church of their religion, or then just marry without the religious aspect.
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One could always remove marriage completely. Save the money get less hate, problem solved
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From your perpective and given the current cirucmstances maybe there's some sense behind all your words.
However, clearly marriage as an institution needs to be reformed greatly if that's how it currently works in your country and around the world. Remove any penalities and benefits that come through marriage sanctioned by the state and then let people write their own contracts and this non-problem will be history.
Marriage affecting taxes, hmph.
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Im not against gay marriage but i strongly oppose gay pairs
raising up children.
raising up children.
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Care to elaborate on the reasons for that stance? =)
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It's certainly not an opinion based on evidence and reason.
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lol, why not?
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Must be because he never cited any.
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That doesn't mean there's no reason..
There are very few things that you can think without having a reason. Like favorite color and such. Then you can just say "I just like it"
Otherwise most opinions got a reason.. even if I don't state it here in public.
There are very few things that you can think without having a reason. Like favorite color and such. Then you can just say "I just like it"
Otherwise most opinions got a reason.. even if I don't state it here in public.
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Then he shouldn't have posted it on a debate thread.
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That is true though xD
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You wont convince me with just a Wikipedia article, there are even scientific researches about eating chemicals do not harm you.
Wikipeida just writes what liberal media intend to write. I don't see any clear explanations on those "researches".
I'll explain my point of view.
This world is divided in half pretty much in every aspect, and both of the half parts magnetize each other. + attracts -,
the opposites are trying to equalize each other, to return the state of unity.
Because the original state of everything is the oneness, everything in the world divided in two parts is trying to return to this state.
You can see this in many aspects of the world, the opposites like warm-cold, high pressure low pressure etc. are to balancing each other.
And there comes the male female contrary. The genders also are the opposite of each other. From a point of view a male is just a half of a thing,
and the Female are another half. Thus the source of attraction between the genders is the desire the be one whole.
(the closest state to the oneness is during a sexual act between male and female)
Following this logic its clear that the state "+ attracts +", or" - attracts -" or male loves male etc. are unnatural.
But the ultraliberalist mainstream media loves to mislead people, that homosexuality are as natural as heterosexuality.
I think of homosexuality not as a sin (as some primitive peoples think),
but just a mental illness which should rather be cured than praised and propaganded.
Homosexuals often like to say "people cannot became homos, but born as homos", as a defending of there identity, but its hardly provable.
Because however children can are conscious about their gender from at age 2-3, they only start to attract the opposite gender at 6-10,
so parents have plenty of time to "spoil" their child.
I do think that people became homosexuals because of childhood traumas.
Here is an article about it:
http://www.fhu.com/articles/homosexual1.html
So I do believe that to raise a mentally healthful child (who is not homo ofc.), we need 2 people,
one from each gender to play the role of mother and father. As a Japanese saying says: "children are the mirrors of parents".
Despite the fact that gays saying they are fine as they are (due to their ego,or the effect of ultraliberalist brainwashing or for other resons),
they are the ones that needs a cure to their mental malfunction. And its definitely curable.
I tolerate gays, I have some gay pales, but please stop saying that homosexuality are as natural as Heterosexism.
Wikipeida just writes what liberal media intend to write. I don't see any clear explanations on those "researches".
I'll explain my point of view.
This world is divided in half pretty much in every aspect, and both of the half parts magnetize each other. + attracts -,
the opposites are trying to equalize each other, to return the state of unity.
Because the original state of everything is the oneness, everything in the world divided in two parts is trying to return to this state.
You can see this in many aspects of the world, the opposites like warm-cold, high pressure low pressure etc. are to balancing each other.
And there comes the male female contrary. The genders also are the opposite of each other. From a point of view a male is just a half of a thing,
and the Female are another half. Thus the source of attraction between the genders is the desire the be one whole.
(the closest state to the oneness is during a sexual act between male and female)
Following this logic its clear that the state "+ attracts +", or" - attracts -" or male loves male etc. are unnatural.
But the ultraliberalist mainstream media loves to mislead people, that homosexuality are as natural as heterosexuality.
I think of homosexuality not as a sin (as some primitive peoples think),
but just a mental illness which should rather be cured than praised and propaganded.
Homosexuals often like to say "people cannot became homos, but born as homos", as a defending of there identity, but its hardly provable.
Because however children can are conscious about their gender from at age 2-3, they only start to attract the opposite gender at 6-10,
so parents have plenty of time to "spoil" their child.
I do think that people became homosexuals because of childhood traumas.
Here is an article about it:
http://www.fhu.com/articles/homosexual1.html
So I do believe that to raise a mentally healthful child (who is not homo ofc.), we need 2 people,
one from each gender to play the role of mother and father. As a Japanese saying says: "children are the mirrors of parents".
Despite the fact that gays saying they are fine as they are (due to their ego,or the effect of ultraliberalist brainwashing or for other resons),
they are the ones that needs a cure to their mental malfunction. And its definitely curable.
I tolerate gays, I have some gay pales, but please stop saying that homosexuality are as natural as Heterosexism.
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teach me how you are so intellect., you must because as the Japanese speech speaks: "tentaku raipu daisuke desune"
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You got it right, the reason is philosophical, I think.
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«Equalize each other» and «return the state of unity» are equivalents? They seem to mean different things to me.
Assuming they are equivalent, consider the following scenario.
It has been speculated that homosexuality in a population tends to increase as a natural response to oversized population of a species, in an attempt to stabilize that increase. Since our numbers can't increase forever so long as planet Earth is our only habitat, this could perhaps be seen as positive.
If this theory were to be true, would you accept homosexuality? Would you accept a way to achieve equilibrium based on unnatural practices?
If your answer is no, consider the balance of hormones in the body. Sexual acts, of any kind, tend to cause disequilibrium of hormones. Sexual acts then go against equilibrium ⇔ sexual acts go against the state of unity, but hadn't we said that they were a way for man and woman to (try?) reach the state of unity? Are sexual acts then a right action or a wrong action?
The article has a lot of insinuations, even unrelated to the subject of this thread. Support groups are organizations who are after power? I'd appreciate that the article founded its claims a little (a lot) more thoroughly.
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Stahp. People keep using the word philosophy wrong. Everything everyone is talking about is philosophy.
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I'm against gay marriage.
Hello, thread.
i don't see any problem in gay marriage they are happy to live with each other then who are we to stop them.
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Oh Right! Thanks for the correction.
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I'm against everything gay and straight, including you, myself, me and I.
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I mean in views of equality and all, gays being together is fine.
Calling it marriage is connecting it with religion, and therefore it is up to the Church, not the state, if gays may marry.
I personally don't care, but would prefer it never existed, because two men and two women cannot physically create a child to let their bloodline live on, at least right now.
Once they can, I won't care. I just think the natural way is the best way.
Same with genders.
Calling it marriage is connecting it with religion, and therefore it is up to the Church, not the state, if gays may marry.
I personally don't care, but would prefer it never existed, because two men and two women cannot physically create a child to let their bloodline live on, at least right now.
Once they can, I won't care. I just think the natural way is the best way.
Same with genders.
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Bah. As long as you're good person, you'll go to heaven even if you're gay, straight, atheist, theist, etc. I believe God cares more about whether you've been good than what your sexual preference is.
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Going to heaven is a very messy topic. For instance, did you know that before christianity became a thing, their god was written to be extremely harsh. (Jewish god = Christian god before Jesus)
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Unless he isn't referring to the Abrahamic God, or maybe he just didn't know it yet. I used to believe the same thing too, until I've read the Old Testament.
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Yeah I knew about that but you know, gotta go with the updated version(what jesus described).
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I just realized that Jesus begged to God to not punish us but instead forgive us. It's like he knew that God was about to do something horrible.
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I just realized that Jesus begged to God to not punish us but instead forgive us. It's like he knew that God was about to do something horrible.
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Me, as a homosexual, reading your post is just...
I had quite a few good laughs whilst reading this thread btw.
And back to the original topic, I haven't kissed someone of the same sex. Yet. I want to though.
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Actually marriage has function outside of religion and involving religion in it at all is completely optional. Did you think that atheists don't marry or something?
Why do you care about someone else continuing their bloodline? You don't need to be overly concerned about other people's genes being passed on.
We've had the "what's natural" argument before. Also, what are you doing with all those unnatural pieces of cloth on your body? I also presume you live in an unnatural box called "a house".
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I also wonder with that. Why do people really care if someone passes on their genes? To make a tenuous argument against homosexuality? My uncle and my aunt didn't have children (there was no deficiency); they are 81 and 72 respectively now. Should they not exist either, according to IamtheRper?
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The bloodline has to be saved so that humanity persists, so that we can build ourselves to machines someday, to be able to populate new planets, to be able to populate new galaxies, so that we maybe find a solution against vanishing in the Big Freeze/Crunch/whatever. Which will happen in trillions of years. Thats the reason nobody must be gay in 2014. Its just so natural and right *ladida*.
Those christians/family insisters got it all figured out.
Those christians/family insisters got it all figured out.
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