Stormwind Entrance of my map

[punwisp]

On My map final conquest, I started working on Stormwind, and I somewhat got the entrance done...Though I know its not perfect, I'm not that good of a terrainer to make it looks really, well, uber.
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I need helpful critism, Links to high grass models would be appreciated too... I want my terrain to look pretty o.o. Also to note, behind that gate is nothing but mountains , theres nothing behind there yet.
Helpful ways to improve is needed!
Thoughts??

(just to note, I just started using raise/lower tool for making hills and mountains now)

 

[Dia3olus]

Never use lordaeron summer, village is much better. and never use the third variation of river rushes, it looks nerly as ugly as the lordaeron summer tileset ^^
And try to avoid cliffs, but this is not so important. Then i would avoid Lordaeron summer trees, i would use ashenvale trees or ashenvale trees with the lordaeron summer tree texture. Or you use custom trees.
The fireplace doesnt look good at grass, i would move it under dirt. in front of the gate it is al little bit too flat. maybe lower it till the river.

 

[punwisp]

what do you mean third variation of river rushes?

 

[Dia3olus]

that ugly shit-colored things in your river ^^
you can edit it in your object editor. just set the number by variations to 3
btw i was wrong, it was the 4. variation

 

[Videosurfer101]

Looks great, but I think there are too many plants in the water.

 

[punwisp]

Im still working on it, I have to replace tilesets and do this and that

 

[Celaquil]

Wtf man? Dio3olus: all you said is personall oppinions, nothing like criticism or credits..
Some people do like the lordaron tileset, and the trees, i for one does.

And for the terrain, i think, for a playable terran, yeah, it looks good. Though i agree on the point with the cliffs, but i also understand that you dont wanna do the other style, takes to much time, ey?

 

[punwisp]

Yes...

 

[Huurka]

Don't use blizzard's cliffs.

They look like shit.

 

[Gilles]

Dia3olus nailed it in the first post. Only use 3 variation on river rushes, and don't use that grass tile. Eww.

Are those WoW models? Or are they HT's model?

 

[punwisp]

Neither, Its the RoC footman model from the campaign screen, human menu.

 

[Gilles]

That's what it is.... well it's ugly in wc3. Doesn't fit at all in my opinion.

 

[punwisp]

I'm changing it, but im not changing the cliff type... That would fuck up the arrangement I have already.

 

[~Void~]

Nah, lordaeron summer is ok. And don't use cliffs D:

 

[punwisp]

omfg... I ONLY used them on the freaking river and shorelines.... -_-

so stop saying to stop using them!!! I only use them when im making rivers and outlining continents

 

[Gilles]

omfg... I ONLY used them on the freaking river and shorelines.... -_-

so stop saying to stop using them!!! I only use them when im making rivers and outlining continents

And they are saying you should never use them. Rolling shores > Cliffs.

 

[punwisp]

I highly, HIGHLY doubt people would use all raise/lower tool to make the continents of 480x480 map

 

[Dia3olus]

Does it say something to you? ^^
Its not so hard to change that. Dismark only that mark at advanced > Enforce water high limits and use the raise 1 or 2 tool, then only lower that and you have a much better river

 

[Gilles]

Dia3olus thanks for that, but there is a good tutorial here on the site which explains that quite clearly. You should just link it next time.

But he is correct, this is the best way to make rivers and any water.

 

[punwisp]

It would take months only using the raise/lower tool to terrain my map... ill use that only on rivers, it would be better.

 

[lord_Turin]

cliffs, if used properly, look ALOT beter then lots of the raised crap that is shown on this site.

 

[DrazharLn]

cliffs, if used properly, look ALOT beter then lots of the raised crap that is shown on this site.

Scandalous! I don't like how blizz used the cliffs in a lot of the maps, cliffs don't make good mountains for example, or ridges, they're ok as cliffs though. Go figure.

 

[Gilles]

I find you can use rocks and doodads to make better cliffs.

 

[DrazharLn]

You are, of course, right.

 

[Gilles]

I'm never wrong. : )

 

[DrazharLn]

You are, of course, right.

ditto

 

[punwisp]

If people can send me links to different grass models and stuff i would greatly appreciate it

 

[punwisp]

Does it say something to you? ^^
Its not so hard to change that. Dismark only that mark at advanced > Enforce water high limits and use the raise 1 or 2 tool, then only lower that and you have a much better river

Im sorry but those pictures are wrong, the cliffs will still be there when you raise the tool then lower, it doesnt change anything, even when marking off enforce water high limits

 

[Gilles]

Im sorry but those pictures are wrong, the cliffs will still be there when you raise the tool then lower, it doesnt change anything, even when marking off enforce water high limits

What exactly did you do? His example works perfectly. I've done it thousands of times.

I think you used the raise tool, not the ledge tool. After you make the water, you check off enforce water height limits, then you take the ledge tool (up, one) and cover everything so it's flat. Then you lower the ground. Water will show up. Although sometimes you have to mess around with it because it can come out squarish. It's hard to explain, but you'll see.

 

[punwisp]

Which means I have make all the rivers shallow and crap and use the edge tool.... Not very creative in my opinion, also using ledge tool doesn't make things flat, and its also a ramp tool, not ledge, and the ramp tool makes it a ramp which is at a angle, after I give all the sides ramps I cant add onto it with lower tool.

also that mid pic said "raise tool" which doesn't do what it is showed it does

 

[Gilles]

You're really not understanding it.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29389
There. I can't explain it better.

 

[punwisp]

Aww I see now, thank you.

 

[cHeRoL]

There are many plants in the water.

 

[punwisp]

Yes I know I put them there lol

 

[Dakho]

I don't know why, but I really like it. I mean it's not even that amazing (no offense, you understand). The trees aren't varied, cliffs are used (honestly that hardly bothers me though) and overspam of river rushes is used. Honestly I would say ditch all of those and put in lilly pads instead, spaced out of course. cattails too. But honestly you shouldn't ever resort to using the ugly mess that is a river rush.
Anyways, it has this great warcrafty feel to it. Now it doesn't look like terrain art, no, but it's just that simple good stuff that the warcraft campaign has. Yet still, there is much to be improved.

 

[punwisp]

The next time i post screenies it will change a lot, and I hope to keep that warcrafty feel to it, though this new patch killed the newgen for now, for me to make that area good I have to remake most of it.

 

[crl]

cool

 

[Armentia]

I dunno if it'll affect the rest of your map, but the blacksmith and farm, or whatever they were, need to be increased in size. And the tower as well unless it's meant to be representing something else. If it's a tower, it needs to be MUCH larger.

 

[punwisp]

Ok >_^