Separation Anxiety

[Moderator]

16:51, 13th Mar 2014
Orcnet: Map can be considered, although the terrain view looks a bit wide and has crude decorations, I suggestively ask if you could add more rock spires via Outland texture version this could give more detail, strategic blockage, and maximize the unused space.

 

[LordDz]

Nice idea, downloading.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Not good! These are the reasons:-

- Tile variation was used really badly!
- The terrain seems flat even if you put some slight raisings and lowerings
- Some Rocks Floating everywhere by the map. They look really bad!
- No creeps guarding the Gold Mines

Meh, this melee map is bad and so I give this 1.5/5, rate 2 and vote for REJECTION!

 

[normalice]

it's a 3v3 map - there is no need to guard the starting mines because none of them can be empty. But, I can put something there for the sake of completeness, i guess..

 

[Shadow Fury]

All Blizzard melee maps which are for 3vs3 have their gold mines guarded. And you should really lessen the rough dirt and remove the floating rocks. Make the terrain more hilly and add more Light Dirt and Cracked Dirt. If you do all that, the result should be good.

 

[normalice]

All Blizzard melee maps which are for 3vs3 have their gold mines guarded. And you should really lessen the rough dirt and remove the floating rocks. Make the terrain more hilly and add more Light Dirt and Cracked Dirt. If you do all that, the result should be good.

well, blizzard's 3v3 maps can be used for other purposes (i.e. 2v2, FFA...). This one can not. But as I said, I will add them anyway.. I usually do. It just slipped my mind..

 

[normalice]

so, i put in creeps at the starting locations, removed floating rocks, and added some hilly terrain. I also modified the tiling slightly, but i have it how I want it so I have no intention of changing it further (unless I missed something).

 

[Shadow Fury]

Even after the updates, the terrain looks bad! Too much rough dirt and the bridges aren't perfectly applied! You should reduce a lot the rough dirt and add the two tiles I said even more!

 

[normalice]

Even after the updates, the terrain looks bad! Too much rough dirt and the bridges aren't perfectly applied! You should reduce a lot the rough dirt and add the two tiles I said even more!

i like the way the terrain looks :-/ I guess it's a 'tastes' thing...

I would like to modify the 'islands' a bit, but because the cliffs force rough dirt to be the edge, it's hard to do that without looking (imo) bad.

But, what's wrong with the bridges? Is there pathing issues?

 

[Shadow Fury]

Some bridges aren't smoothly applied. E.g southern island, the bridge at the right. Look at that bridge and the one at the left and you'll understand what I mean. And believe, about the terrain it's not about personal taste! Outland's tileset is NOT the one where you spam each tile everywhere. Rough Dirt and especially Light Flat Stones look bad if used incorrectly while Dirt, Light Dirt and Cracked Dirt match perfectly.

 

[normalice]

fixed the bridges. Thanks for pointing that out - when I went over them it must have been "night time" and I couldn't see shadows as well...

The terrain has a 'battle-ravaged' look to it, and that's what I was going for. What you are describing is more of a 'desolate' look. I've done that on some outland maps (here, for example), but personally don't like it as much. You seem to have an issue with what are sometimes called "sharp edges." Usually I try to blend them with shrubs, but that would look weird for outlands, and I wanted to go with outlands for the abyss.. anyway, with the exception of the islands (which are too small to really work with), the terrain is exactly how I like it now.

 

[Shadow Fury]

If that was your aim, then well done! The most important thing is being satisfied of what you've done and reaching the objectives you wanted to reach.

 

[PlankingWolf]

All Blizzard melee maps which are for 3vs3 have their gold mines guarded. And you should really lessen the rough dirt and remove the floating rocks. Make the terrain more hilly and add more Light Dirt and Cracked Dirt. If you do all that, the result should be good.

Man, melee maps can have different styles, not only the Blizzard one.
It can be like this, a rush scene.
Or a real hard strategy.
Blizzard's are the balanced ones.

 

[Shadow Fury]

Man, melee maps can have different styles, not only the Blizzard one.
It can be like this, a rush scene.
Or a real hard strategy.
Blizzard's are the balanced ones.

True, but my suggestion was just to improve the map and it was OPTIONAL. Also, I see no reason why this couldn't be used for 2vs2 so the gold mines should be guarded if used for this case.

 

[taavidude]

Improve the description and add some screenshots.

 

[Remixer]

It is though suggested to have creep camps at each gold mine even if they are at starting locations. Every map can be played 1v1 or so for example this map two players just picks the opposite starting locations.

And to Shadow Fury - Use less "!". They make your posts look aggressive.

 

[Shadow Fury]

It is though suggested to have creep camps at each gold mine even if they are at starting locations. Every map can be played 1v1 or so for example this map two players just picks the opposite starting locations.

And to Shadow Fury - Use less "!". They make your posts look aggressive.

Oh ok then. Thanks for the advise

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved.

 

[Hive_Parasite]

I use version 1.26 of The Frozen Throne and I would like to report that night elf A.I. is bugged on this map - if it's placed on 1 of the shared slots (for example on either red or blue) then the Night Elf A.I. attempts to expand within the space of the neighbour and does not collect Gold for some odd reasons.

What makes things worse is that if the player neighbouring Night Elf is able to build his base faster than the night elf,then the Night Elf A.I. stops building stuff altoghether.

Undead AI is also fked