SC2's jass replacement (preview)

[naitsirk]

To recap, the major features are. . .

Modular approch to coding (can get code of external files).
Global creation anywhere outside of fuctions.
Multi line support for arguments.

That sounds owned The Global creation reminds me of vJASS if that's what you mean by that.

 

[Reaper2008]

The Global creation reminds me of vJASS if that's what you mean by that.

Only you won't need the globals / endglobals thing.

 

[naitsirk]

Thats epic:d

 

[Nestharus]

Anyone know if we can declare variables anywhere within the function and have those variables retain scope for the block of code they are in? (vars inside while loops etc).

Furthermore, anyone know if we can choose how big we want the arrays to be? Like rather than the default array at 8k size, pick our own sizes?

Can we return arrays?
Can we take arrays?

The next interesting question would be pointers, but I doubt it ; |. Like, for example... have a true linked list with new and delete, lol... I know blizzard's not going to give us that kind of power : O.

Multi dimensional arrays?

These are all some interesting things..

Oh yes, namespaces? I sort of see files and I'm assuming each file is it's own namespace or w/e.

eh, so many questions ;o.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Asking unawnersable questions? We have yet to get any custom map to view such structures. Melee code is not exactly the best for discovering coding.

I have seen evidence pointing towards firstly the ability to modify units in every way via triggers and that arrays will be difiniable to certain sizes, but no hard code showing it.

 

[Disasterpiece512]

YES! It's like a combination between c++ and java. It's gonna rock!

 

[Nety0]

Actually, they seem to have copied C in that it has to be:

if (bool)
{
   //Soemthing.
}

As in, required brackets. How annoying. Also, semicolons are the devil. They took the bad features of C and kept them. :/

Otherwise, good ol C (hopefully with structs included?).

What you consider the "bad features", I consider very good features.


Edit: random info, I broke a map by typing "int" instead of "integer" when writing a JASS trigger just recently. xD

 

[PrisonLove]

Hey does anyone know if the language will support object-oriented (struct, for C users) programming? That would make my day.

 

[thelifelessone]

Nice. But does it have structs?

Also, I know many people don't like semicolons and brackets, but they make code more organized.

No, it most likely won't have structs.

Can we return arrays?
Can we take arrays?

Taking arrays and returning arrays would be great.

 

[DoOs_101]

It looks alot like Java... lol shuld've paid attention in my high school cs class...

 

[Pyritie]

It looks alot like Java... lol shuld've paid attention in my high school cs class...

It's just C-like syntax. Java uses C-like syntax and so do a bunch of other languages, including this new one.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I just wish we could get the full natives list. I have a feeling there are some seriously useful natives in SC2 which WC3 lacked.

 

[DoOs_101]

It's just C-like syntax. Java uses C-like syntax and so do a bunch of other languages, including this new one.

Btw how'd you get the AI natives? You opened some MPQ file? sc2 .mpq files can be opened with current mpq programs?

I do like C-like/Java syntax, atleast its not JASSlike retarded that requires vJASS and Vexorian to step forward... I don't like some random programmer make a tyranny out of language mod, lolz jk...

 

[Mulgrim]

so JASS was useless in the long run..

 

[xD.Schurke]

why should Jass be useless? If you want to mod wc3 you need Jass oO

 

[Mulgrim]

psshh, kool kids use galaxy editor, not world editor

 

[xD.Schurke]

pshh...cool kids use both

 

[PrisonLove]

Anyone know if we can declare variables anywhere within the function and have those variables retain scope for the block of code they are in? (vars inside while loops etc).

Furthermore, anyone know if we can choose how big we want the arrays to be? Like rather than the default array at 8k size, pick our own sizes?

Can we return arrays?
Can we take arrays?

The next interesting question would be pointers, but I doubt it ; |. Like, for example... have a true linked list with new and delete, lol... I know blizzard's not going to give us that kind of power : O.

Multi dimensional arrays?

These are all some interesting things..

Oh yes, namespaces? I sort of see files and I'm assuming each file is it's own namespace or w/e.

eh, so many questions ;o.

If these things were implemented, maps would be highly advanced. I really hope they're there, along with object-oriented programming.

 

[Reaper2008]

It's based on C, not C++, so no namespaces.

Also pointers are out of the question. If WC could be used to plant a virus this would be da bomb.

 

[Dr Super Good]

SC2's lannguage and JASS are prety simlar, only difference is a slight syntax modification of how stuff is done.

I can understand it perfectly despite never having run the game, not even having the beta and never having seen the language before.

 

[Orbit]

So, what would you guys recomend I learn, just to get a head start on the new language. I dont know any language at all. Should I learn JASS? C? JAVA? Or maybe I dont need any of them?

I realy want to learn this language early on, so I dont end up using GUI forever like I did with Wc3.

 

[xD.Schurke]

the question is what do you want to do with your knowledge
Learn Jass if you want to get an idea how programming languages work and combine it with your hobby (wc3). Jass is a good start to all this stuff since the syntax is descriptive.

Java and C are far more advanced and so not that easy to learn.
I would recommend Java if you want to do something not wc3 related ... it rocks^^

 

[Orbit]

Im not interested in doing other stuff, only want to learn the Galaxy language. So, learning JASS will make the learning of Galaxy Language easyer? Or do I have to start from scratch when it comes out anyway?

 

[xD.Schurke]

like I said learning new languages in general will get easier.

 

[Pyritie]

Im not interested in doing other stuff, only want to learn the Galaxy language. So, learning JASS will make the learning of Galaxy Language easyer? Or do I have to start from scratch when it comes out anyway?

Learning any language would make it easier but if you want to get used to syntax then I'd suggest learning either java or C#.

(Yes C++ works too but I wouldn't recommend it to beginners)

 

[syltman]

If you're families with GUI you will have an easier time learning jass and once you've understood jass pretty much all programming languages will become clear too you in most cases.

 

[naitsirk]

@syltman: I know JASS but the syntax isent that much alike C and C# and JAVA. But it does make it abit easier to learn them.

 

[thelifelessone]

Can we stop saying it looks like Java, and say it looks like C?
You know, the language it was based on..

 

[DoOs_101]

Can we stop saying it looks like Java, and say it looks like C?
You know, the language it was based on..

The AP Comp Sci program in America and International focuses on one language and that is Java. So expect many people to assume the syntx looks like Java.

 

[Reaper2008]

But it looks like C. Java is all about OOP, other than that it too is like C.

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

The AP Comp Sci program in America and International focuses on one language and that is Java. So expect many people to assume the syntx looks like Java.

Funny. In Canada, it is Visual Basic.

And Java has OO. This does not. This is C, sadly.

I guess I'm going to have to make a vJass equivilent for this, sigh. I was hoping for full OO on units and such, which isnt that bad to code, but yeh. A pain to have to do it anyways.

Anyone know how fast a grimoire-equivilent is going to be made so I can just bind an exe to a hacked Galaxy Editor?

 

[thelifelessone]

> I guess I'm going to have to make a vJass equivilent for this

There are already two projects like this, I believe.
The new JassHelper, and my own parser for the Onyx language I'm developing.

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

I did post on your idea thread, LifelessOne. But god knows, anything Vexorian does is going to find some way to make me hate it (see: refusal to add priority to libraries, and ++ += and such) and probably yours will as well.

The best way to make me happy is to do it myself.

 

[Deaod]

refusal to add priority to libraries, and ++ += and such

I find it funny that you ignore the ability to require other libraries, which in this case acts much like prioritization, except it also sorts the content of the libraries correctly, so that you can actually use required libraries. About those operators: I think Vex added += and the like to ZINC. ++ and -- need to die (i think its horrible syntax, just a bit better than && and ||). And you could never implement them properly in JASS.

 

[Pyritie]

++ and -- need to die (i think its horrible syntax, just a bit better than && and ||). And you could never implement them properly in JASS.

Those are so helpful in for loops :|

 

[PrisonLove]

++ and -- need to die (i think its horrible syntax, just a bit better than && and ||). And you could never implement them properly in JASS.

I disagree, ++, -- are immensely useful, especially in loops. I also happen to like && and ||, although I admit using the words "and" and "or" is probably much more clear.

 

[xD.Schurke]

we need \/ as the or operator ...

 

[Element of Water]

Yeah, and the 'and' operator should be /\ [/sarcasm]

 

[xD.Schurke]

yep ^^

 

[Pyritie]

and lets also have U for concatenating two lists why don't we

 

[Element of Water]

And '==' should be

  /\
 /ch\
/eese\

EDIT: or this?

\eqal/
 \to/
  \/

 

[xD.Schurke]

nope thats ugly...
++ for list concatenation

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

I find it funny that you ignore the ability to require other libraries, which in this case acts much like prioritization, except it also sorts the content of the libraries correctly

Ah, yes. This. I hate having to require libraries. Useless waste of time when I make a bunch of simple functions and enjoy them being used by all libraries. Why should every library I make that depends on that simple base have to have me retype "needs" or "uses" or "requires"?

Surely JassHelper can figure out a few dependencies on its own, making "requires" unneeded. Which is why my preprocesser (tentatively named Universe) will be doing away with requires and do that itself. Also, it will make libraries and scopes one and the same, since I see no reason to separate the two like Vex did.

 

[Reaper2008]

SC2 will propably have external files anyway, so no need for libraries, scopes etc.

EDIT: Still no /* */ though.

 

[PrisonLove]

EDIT: Still no /* */ though.

That's SO annoying! Talk about a huge disappointment. Using all those // lines in the WC3 code, if you wanted to put a header on your trigger, is the most annoying thing.

 

[Deaod]

Heres another thread about the features of Galaxy: http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=109011
You need to register on wc3c.net to view it.

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

That's SO annoying! Talk about a huge disappointment. Using all those // lines in the WC3 code, if you wanted to put a header on your trigger, is the most annoying thing.

And this is why it looks like something like vJass is going to come along again. >.>

 

[thelifelessone]

So, it seems Galaxy has pointers, and prototypes.
Also, for anyone wanting to screw around with the language, I made this: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tools-560/galaxy-language-file-notepad-160286/

 

[DoOs_101]

So, it seems Galaxy has pointers, and prototypes.
Also, for anyone wanting to screw around with the language, I made this: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tools-560/galaxy-language-file-notepad-160286/

U are awesome, thx!

 

[BlinkBoy]

I disagree, ++, -- are immensely useful, especially in loops. I also happen to like && and ||, although I admit using the words "and" and "or" is probably much more clear.

the best part of them is that:

x = x + 1;

turns into:
mov eax, _x
add eax, 1
mov _x, eax

while

x++;

turns into:
mov eax, _x
inc eax
mov _x, eax

and the opcode 'inc' is WAY faster than 'add', making them ideal for loops. Specially since Galaxy is JIT compiled; no much optimization is done while the game compiles it.

In other words, it improves performance.